tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post286437559167063948..comments2024-02-25T08:16:25.546-08:00Comments on Exurban Nation: Blog NotesRob Dawghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10042154106850545479noreply@blogger.comBlogger168125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-39630993815556863512007-06-28T20:00:00.000-07:002007-06-28T20:00:00.000-07:00"what do you do with the next batch who shows up u..."what do you do with the next batch who shows up uninvited?"<BR/><BR/>The "next batch" has been showing up "uninvited" for virtually the entire history of our country. We'll do what we always do - tell them if they want to make a better life for themselves and their families they are welcome to be Americans. As always, after a few generations they will be so assimilated into America they won't even be viewed as being from any unusual background. Then THAT group will be free to express the same hostility and paranoia that greeted their ancestors when the "next batch" arrivesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-69381487800807371682007-06-28T19:46:00.000-07:002007-06-28T19:46:00.000-07:00" would even be for building gigantic processing c..." would even be for building gigantic processing centers at various places on the border that do nothing but process visas for workers, but the congress is more concearned about what they can get for thier state/district than taking care of pressing national issues."<BR/><BR/>I agree entirely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-45428011753472530792007-06-28T18:02:00.000-07:002007-06-28T18:02:00.000-07:00The best comment ever, in 6+ months of reading Cas...The best comment ever, in 6+ months of reading Casey's blog. From IAFF:<BR/><BR/>Casey writes:<BR/><BR/>"If people understand how I took out the loans and the lending climate at the time and that I had NO criminal intent and had FULL desire to pay back all those loans maybe people wouldn’t be so quick to call me a CON MAN."<BR/><BR/>mejustme replies:<BR/><BR/>"OK, here’s a scenario: Let’s say I know you in real life and I say, hey, I have an opportunity to make some money, my friend needs to sell his very profitable business, it’s up and running, so I can keep my $150K day job while reaping the profits. But he needs $50K cash, which I don’t have right now, so I’m asking to borrow it from you, and I’ll pay you back $1,000 every month with above-market rate interest.<BR/><BR/>Let’s assume you had $50K from selling the blog and you’re like, wow, sounds great! You give me the money and I make a payment or two, then I stop.<BR/><BR/>You come around wanting to know why I can’t make the payments. I say I don’t have any income. What happened to your $150K day job? Oh, that. I didn’t really have a $150K day job. In fact, I wasn’t working at all. But I knew if I told you that you wouldn’t lend me the money and it was such a great opportunity, I didn’t want to pass it up.<BR/><BR/>You of course are angry that I deceived you. Then you realize that you at least can take possession of the business, which is worth at least the $50K you lent me.<BR/><BR/>Oh, sorry about that, chum. I did use it to buy a business, but actually the business cost me $40K and I kept the other $10K in order to make the payments back to you. But I only paid you $2K because, sorry, turns out I needed it for other things — I mean, I’m not working, how else would I pay my daily expenses?<BR/><BR/>Well, it turns out I overpaid for the business anyway. To make matters worse, in the last two months, sales have been way down because I don’t know much about the business, so I kind of ran it into the ground.<BR/><BR/>But go ahead and take it! You’ll just have to pay a few thousand in legal fees and other costs, but then you’ll be the proud owner of a business you don’t want that’s worth about $15K, maybe, if you can sell it.<BR/><BR/>Are you at fault for not doing the due diligence on the business and on me? Yes, but you had my (doctored) pay stubs and an (inflated) appraisal of the business. You are a busy guy and you took me at my word.<BR/><BR/>Would you be justified in calling me a con artist? A fraud? I think you would. Even if I had every intention, every desire, to pay you back. Even if I didn’t see any profit from this bad deal myself. I misrepresented myself to get money you wouldn’t have given me if I had told you the truth.<BR/><BR/>YOU ARE A FRAUD. YOU ARE A CON MAN."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-66936785073746429552007-06-28T17:55:00.000-07:002007-06-28T17:55:00.000-07:00@Rob Dawg 3:17 PM"Actually the recent waves of ill...@Rob Dawg 3:17 PM<BR/><BR/><I>"Actually the recent waves of illegal Mexican immigrants have been different. They are not assimilating and they are not forsaking their origins. They are attempting and succeeding in occupying American soil and establishing ties back to where they mantain their allegiences."<BR/></I><BR/>My partner, a 3rd-grade teacher at LAUSD, gets first-hand experience with these pre-assimilated types, and (with possible bias given his naturally corrupting influence!) he reports that they have no more allegiance to Zacatecas than I have to County Cork. <I>They would LOVE to assimilate</I>, become part of this mess... why else come here? <BR/><BR/>The real problem is that so would about 50 million of their compadres still in Mexico... before we can sort our the INTENTIONAL opening of our borders to let these people in by business interests, and how to let those already here to succeed at becoming American, we have to sort out how to stop the next union-busting wave of illegals.<BR/><BR/>Remember, every time you hear: "jobs Americans won't take", translate to: "jobs corporations won't pay Americans enough to do".<BR/><BR/>And don't want to. And if they can encourage illegal immigration to fill the gap, with the added benefit of being able to blame the workers when caught out, so much the better.<BR/><BR/>Rob, there's a real interesting debate here, but it's not helped by your penchant for unsupported (and slightly paranoid) claims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-1511603330533688352007-06-28T17:41:00.000-07:002007-06-28T17:41:00.000-07:00I've been too busy with my loooser job to keep up ...I've been too busy with my loooser job to keep up with EN recently, although skipping all of the anonymous posts helps. Even so, one person stands out from the rest of the crowd while I scan through screen after screen of posts. Yep, it's you <B>LMP</B>.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you're on the up and up, frankly I don't know. But the threats against KC are tedious. I say put up or shut brother. If you've got the goods we'd all like the details. If you don't have the goods, or can't say anything, then leave it alone. All of the <I>"all hell's gonna rain on Casey real-soon-now"</I> posts are getting old.Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14315917625793206755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-71674871199236677512007-06-28T17:37:00.000-07:002007-06-28T17:37:00.000-07:00I figure the best way to punish Snowflake is to ig...I figure the best way to punish Snowflake is to ignore him; his site is very boring any way. He is off in Casey land riding Kangaroo’s, f*cking koala bears, and jerking off to car steering wheels on the wrong side of the car. The only thing of interest is the California stuff which he has abandoned along with his wife. What would be cool is if G where to start her own site called www.imfacingcaseyfallout.com and detail all the crap that has been going on in Casey’s absence. I don’t think the Snowflake is ever coming back to that mess in California ever again. <BR/><BR/>I will just get my Casey updates here, the only real news I care about is if and when he goes to jail.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07783983610377549162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-8972970381033699042007-06-28T17:04:00.000-07:002007-06-28T17:04:00.000-07:00"Our higher education system? We have the best uni..."Our higher education system? We have the best universities on the globe - this is not controversial. The rest of the world is clamoring to go to Harvard, Penn Wharton, etc."<BR/><BR/>There has been a decline in students coming from overseas to study here for a few years now. Clamoring to come here? You are trolling too hard.<BR/><BR/>http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-01-05-foreign-student-drain_x.htm<BR/><BR/>Many more articles like that. Try googling for 'US losing foreign students'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-4525667570043528332007-06-28T16:55:00.000-07:002007-06-28T16:55:00.000-07:00to all,If you love illegal immigrants so much why ...to all,<BR/><BR/>If you love illegal immigrants so much why do'nt you marry them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-53778164319085780922007-06-28T16:52:00.000-07:002007-06-28T16:52:00.000-07:00Anonymous said... At 4:30 PM, Other said... He sur...Anonymous said... <BR/>At 4:30 PM, Other said... <BR/>He sure got your wound up,didn't he?<BR/><BR/>Dang it Mark I did'nt realize it was you. It's hard to figure when you talk like a normal human.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-47376932611501838502007-06-28T16:43:00.000-07:002007-06-28T16:43:00.000-07:00Imho, assimilation is not the main concern with il...Imho, assimilation is not the main concern with illegal immigration. Even in Southern California the Mexicans will assimilate, as would anyone else in their stead.<BR/><BR/>The main question is how do we choose the few million who come in out of the several billion who would like to? This has both moral and practical aspects: morally, do you let the line-jumper ahead of the law-abiding? And practically, what do you do with the next batch who shows up uninvited? In our world of cheaper and cheaper travel, in 20 years it won't be just Mexicans and Guatemalans we'd have to worry about, but pretty much everyone around the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-34377524335596808442007-06-28T16:42:00.000-07:002007-06-28T16:42:00.000-07:00At 4:29 PM, Anonymous said...The difference being,...<I>At 4:29 PM, Anonymous said...</I><BR/><BR/>The difference being, the polish immigrants signed in at the port of call, they didn't jump a fence.<BR/><BR/>All I want is to first, build an effective fence, then set up some sort of guest worker program.<BR/><BR/>I would even be for building gigantic processing centers at various places on the border that do nothing but process visas for workers, but the congress is more concearned about what they can get for thier state/district than taking care of pressing national issues.Zintradihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589076909500187651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-37918630854830559392007-06-28T16:38:00.000-07:002007-06-28T16:38:00.000-07:00At 4:30 PM, Other said... He sure got your wound u...At 4:30 PM, Other said... <BR/>He sure got your wound up,didn't he?<BR/><BR/>Actually not particularly. He would maybe if he wasn't so over the top attempting to 'get' to me. I imagine him sitting thinking ooooh he is goign to be so angry. Like a knat brushed aside. I don't care one way or the other. Gee, I wonder if I wound him up. why did he stop posting anon when I called him out?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-15122616369951966962007-06-28T16:37:00.000-07:002007-06-28T16:37:00.000-07:00"And where does our education system rank again?"O..."And where does our education system rank again?"<BR/><BR/>Our higher education system? We have the best universities on the globe - this is not controversial. The rest of the world is clamoring to go to Harvard, Penn Wharton, etc.<BR/><BR/>It's not circular. I can give a good reason why potential terrorists should be exluded - they might hatch a plot to kill thousands of people.<BR/><BR/>How is that more arbitrary that keeping Mexican immigrants out because . . . remind me again? Hint: there is no good reason.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-14010662337015969732007-06-28T16:33:00.000-07:002007-06-28T16:33:00.000-07:00Bear Stearns' reluctance to mark down the value of...Bear Stearns' reluctance to mark down the value of their overpriced CDOs is mirrored by an equal desire among homeowners to hold tight to their fantasies of real estate riches. Despite the obvious weakness in the current market, deluded sellers continue to behave as if the boom of 1998-2005 never ended. A recent survey by Boston Consulting Group showed that 55% of home owners believe they could sell their house for more now than a year ago, and nearly three-quarters think they could sell their homes within the next six months at a price they set. Is it any wonder that there is a record 8.9 months supply of new homes on the market?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-43517240405142358992007-06-28T16:31:00.000-07:002007-06-28T16:31:00.000-07:00Not an honor system. We would rigorously check eac...<I>Not an honor system. We would rigorously check each person (passport required) entering for any sort of terrorist connections. I could even be convinced to "close the door" to certain countries if the terrorism threat was high enough.</I><BR/><BR/>And if they made it into the country anyway, circumventing your new laws, should we give them amnesty because we discover they know how to make small bombs well?<BR/><BR/>Your argument is circular. Let's give amnesty to illegals and create an open door immigration policy except for the following: {insert criteria here}<BR/><BR/>It is just the same mechanism all over again, from a different starting point. You are doing cartwheels my friend.<BR/><BR/><I>Yes, they are salivating - to immigrate to the United States and take advantage of our world class higher education system, seek prosperity for their families and contribute to the American economy, and become Americans (and they are doing it as fast as we will let them).</I><BR/><BR/>And where does our education system rank again? Is it as good as our health care system?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06462827963425162130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-41141734679841215402007-06-28T16:30:00.000-07:002007-06-28T16:30:00.000-07:00At 4:18 PM, Anonymous said... LMP toils in douc...At 4:18 PM, Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> LMP toils in douchebaggery.<BR/> <BR/><BR/><BR/>He sure got your wound up,didn't he?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-34986350739236059342007-06-28T16:29:00.000-07:002007-06-28T16:29:00.000-07:00To the Polish guy above - Many Americans thought t...To the Polish guy above - <BR/><BR/>Many Americans thought that Polish immigrants were stupid, illiterate bums who would steal their jobs and bring crime and poverty in their wake (sound familiar?). Americans thought they were "unamerican" because of their foreign language and refusal to assimilate into America (polish catholics, america protestants), and they shouldn't be allowed in the county.<BR/><BR/>Now, in 2007, it seems absurd to think so, seeing the success of Polish immigrants. It would be insane to think that about another group of immigrants now, right . . .<BR/><BR/>Have to go, my last immigration related post for a while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-30083208256807440362007-06-28T16:23:00.000-07:002007-06-28T16:23:00.000-07:00Sharky - Outbred by their colonial subjects (do yo...Sharky - <BR/><BR/>Outbred by their colonial subjects (do you mean us)? <BR/><BR/>Do you refuse to acknowledge the fact that European countries with the largest welfare state also have the most strict immigration policies? Do I have to spell out the relation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-67744086314041788182007-06-28T16:18:00.002-07:002007-06-28T16:18:00.002-07:00LMP toils in douchebaggery.That's it innit. Fuckin...LMP toils in douchebaggery.<BR/><BR/>That's it innit. Fuckin cunt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-62962706884897855822007-06-28T16:18:00.001-07:002007-06-28T16:18:00.001-07:00"Most Americans have issue living in poverty. Lowe..."Most Americans have issue living in poverty. Lowering the minimum wage is not the answer."<BR/><BR/>The minimum wage increases unemployment and poverty. Anyone who has taken a basic econ class will know this.<BR/><BR/>http://www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/50years.htm<BR/><BR/>Welfare, (at least on the federal level), was reformed pretty well by Clinton. I'm not opposed to reforming it further. This is a distinct issue from immigration - mexican immigrants won't need welfare (and to the extent that they do, it will balance out to a benefit in the end).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-39333594854054644912007-06-28T16:18:00.000-07:002007-06-28T16:18:00.000-07:00Anon:"Can you see why Europe is getting "older"?" ...Anon:<BR/><BR/>"Can you see why Europe is getting "older"?"<BR/><BR/> Your view of "Europe" is distinctly "vanilla".<BR/><BR/> Caucasian Europe is indeed getting older, but the Europe of color is getting younger all the time.<BR/><BR/> Fact is, European whites are being outbred by their former colonial subjects.<BR/><BR/> Hasn't led to any "economic powerhouses" over there...that's the thing about a welfare state.<BR/><BR/> It swallows any gains in GDP with nary a belch.<BR/><BR/> Look at our own comparatively meager entitlements debt load here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-79481713015214770212007-06-28T16:15:00.001-07:002007-06-28T16:15:00.001-07:00Casey is the exact opposite of illegal immigrants....Casey is the exact opposite of illegal immigrants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-60902556533452115762007-06-28T16:15:00.000-07:002007-06-28T16:15:00.000-07:00Casey is the exact opposite of illegal immigrants....Casey is the exact opposite of illegal immigrants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-66901467181563014592007-06-28T16:13:00.000-07:002007-06-28T16:13:00.000-07:00A note about my experiences with assimilation...I'...A note about my experiences with assimilation...<BR/><BR/>I'm a fourth generation Polish-American. My great-grandparents came to this country (legally) in the early 1900s and didn't speak a lick of English. In fact, they never had to learn English...the foreman at the meatpacking plant in Chicago was Lithuanian and spoke enough Polish to order the rabble around. The whole neighborhood was Polish. Their son (my grandfather) grew up speaking Polish at home and English at school. He was very good at school (dropped out in high school), but he didn't want a life in the stockyards (which we declining anyway) so he hired on with the B&O Railroad as a carman. His wife was a product of the same situation: daughter of a Polish-only household but was billingual herself. Their son (my father) only speaks English as by then the original Polish neighborhood had dissolved. He was the first in the family to go to college and ended up moving to sunny California and marrying an Irish-German woman (whose family history was very similar to his...just different countries and languages). And now I'm here, a true American with no ties to the old country.<BR/><BR/>I guess my point is that assimilation doesn't happen overnight. It took a few generations for my Eastern-European family to "blend in" with the rest of the country. Maybe it will be different with these immigrants, but I doubt it.<BR/><BR/>(I don't have anything to add to the illegal vs. legal debate...one I fear will never be won.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-76071209402959623482007-06-28T16:12:00.001-07:002007-06-28T16:12:00.001-07:00"So you are saying that a standardized, extremely ..."So you are saying that a standardized, extremely permissive immigration policy can be easily absorbed by our system? In other words, no policy whatsoever and anyone who wants to come here can just walk in? Provided of course, that they are not criminals or felons in their home country. In other words, the good old honor system?<BR/><BR/>Boy, certain folks in the middle easy are already salivating at the prospect of that.<BR/><BR/>"Any working current models you care to analog? Which country has a completely permissive, door wide open policy that is effective?"<BR/><BR/>Not an honor system. We would rigorously check each person (passport required) entering for any sort of terrorist connections. I could even be convinced to "close the door" to certain countries if the terrorism threat was high enough.<BR/><BR/>"Boy, certain folks in the middle easy are already salivating at the prospect of that."<BR/><BR/>Yes, they are salivating - to immigrate to the United States and take advantage of our world class higher education system, seek prosperity for their families and contribute to the American economy, and become Americans (and they are doing it as fast as we will let them).<BR/><BR/>Not the honor system - through whatever technology possible we would screen out convicted criminals.<BR/><BR/>Not a terrorist? Not a criminal? No special diseases? Welcome aboard (I could be convinced that there should be a few steps before full citizenship - but not longer than ten years).<BR/><BR/>"Any working current models you care to analog? Which country has a completely permissive, door wide open policy that is effective?"<BR/><BR/>Yes - the United States for most of its existence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com