tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post8801105264773967029..comments2024-02-25T08:16:25.546-08:00Comments on Exurban Nation: Amnesty? ¡Si!Rob Dawghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10042154106850545479noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-35431001150881731042007-05-23T00:54:00.000-07:002007-05-23T00:54:00.000-07:00Late to the party.I am a big fan of immigrants. M...Late to the party.<BR/><BR/>I am a big fan of immigrants. My Dad is hoping for a retirement job where he will use a big butterfly net to chase people in foreign lands and force the folks he catches to come to America. <BR/><BR/>I also sympathize with illegals. They come to America so that they can work, have things, own things, do things. They seem to understand "freedom" and "opportunity" as something other than "I can buy anything I want at the mall."<BR/><BR/>My bitch is with the way immigrants are treated. Not in the sense of exploitation, but in the sense that government policy actively discourages immigrants from integrating into the larger society. <BR/><BR/>I think they call it "multi-culturalism" or something.<BR/><BR/>Then again, the problem with immigration is that within three generations, the grandkids of immigrants are so assimilated that they are as useless as regular Americans. Then we have to import more immigrants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-60815265734574573282007-05-22T23:44:00.000-07:002007-05-22T23:44:00.000-07:00congrats, youve just proven yourself to be dumber ...congrats, youve just proven yourself to be dumber than casey. I would go into detais, having worked cloely with illegals, but stupid people such as yourself cannot be educated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-33841799206487834462007-05-22T15:48:00.000-07:002007-05-22T15:48:00.000-07:00There is a whole buch of easy quick fixes none of ...There is a whole buch of easy quick fixes none of which will ever get implemented. Examples:<BR/><BR/>"Children born of parents found to be in the US without documentation shall forever be denied US citizenship." <BR/><BR/>"Registering live births in the United States shall be conducted under the auspices of the INS and subject to full review of parents and siblings with applicants waiving all rights to retroactive appeals."Rob Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10042154106850545479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-37227922875302461942007-05-22T15:40:00.000-07:002007-05-22T15:40:00.000-07:00What's frustrating to many existing, legal immigra...What's frustrating to many existing, legal immigrants, is that they had to work so hard, wait so long, and so on to get in, so amnesty to those who broke the law and "cut in line" seems so unfair.<BR/><BR/>What we really need as a country is to change the criteria by which immigrants are granted visas or green cards or naturalization. Currently the government puts a lot of emphasis on existing families (i.e., it's a lot easier to get into this country as an immigrant if your parents or siblings or children live here). Instead, it should be based entirely on intelligence and drive and hard work. Here's a rather tongue-in-cheek idea: erect a wall on the border that's 50 feet high, electrified, and shoots flames out at people who get too close. Anyone who can get past it must be a clever SOB, so let 'em stay.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13677230656262306715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-10299266918332563842007-05-22T14:42:00.000-07:002007-05-22T14:42:00.000-07:00"The issue isn't race, it's culture. The illegals ..."The issue isn't race, it's culture. The illegals come from 3rd world cultures and they bring those values with them. That's what most people hate."<BR/><BR/>That's interesting. Extended family, respect for one's elders, a sense of duty, and responsibility for work. Yep, those are values we Americans simply HATE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-7625463042523904512007-05-22T14:37:00.000-07:002007-05-22T14:37:00.000-07:00"Regarding illegals and crime... give it a little ..."Regarding illegals and crime... give it a little time. The crime is already there, you just don't see it."<BR/><BR/>El Gabo Gringo. Illegal immigrants don't have a corner on crime. As I said, I've been in this area for more than 15 years, and have seen nothing. <BR/><BR/>The crime is the people that hire illegals and don't pay them; the corporations that shove native born and naturalized citizens because they are too cheap to pay a living wage; the Big Box stores that will hire illegal immigrants and exploit them just so that you and I can buy a $15.00 DVD player. That's who you should be angry about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-6143262217764468462007-05-22T12:27:00.000-07:002007-05-22T12:27:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02532544172173957714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-64395503975991590552007-05-22T11:54:00.000-07:002007-05-22T11:54:00.000-07:00I have to think back to the immigrant families I h...I have to think back to the immigrant families I have known - the Lithuanian whose grandmother never spoke English, her son became an engineer, spoke both Lithuanian and English, grandkids spoke no Lithuanian. Mexican whose grandmother spoke no English, son went into Army, became electrical tech taught his sons English before Spanish, much to his mother's distaste because he "didn't want them to have the Mexican accent" he had, my German grandfather who forbid German in his home and no one in any succeeding generation spoke German. By the third generation, it was a distant memory, by the fourth, family history. We all fit in, I have to think it will be the same in this century as the last.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-60485800069860945872007-05-22T10:36:00.000-07:002007-05-22T10:36:00.000-07:00You guys who are pissing and moaning about being i...You guys who are pissing and moaning about being invaded by foreigners who don't speak English really need to read a little more history. <BR/><BR/>Do you think the US hasn't been through this before, survived and come out stronger? Go back and take a look at 1880-1910, the last "great wave". Same exact whining, except that time it was about the Italians and the Germans and the Eastern Europeans.Sprezzaturahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00154324593024175660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-49954960055933070202007-05-22T10:07:00.000-07:002007-05-22T10:07:00.000-07:00Regarding illegals and crime... give it a little t...Regarding illegals and crime... give it a little time. The crime is already there, you just don't see it.El Gringohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00916939401187240294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-54858732640668502332007-05-22T10:03:00.000-07:002007-05-22T10:03:00.000-07:00R-Boy said"As for crime in the streets, I know ple...R-Boy said<BR/><BR/>"As for crime in the streets, I know plenty of illegals. I play soccer with them. They dont turn their areas into crime infested neighborhoods, not the ones in Northern VA at least."<BR/><BR/>I, too, can vouch for this as well. The undocumented in my corner of NoVa work hard. In turn, they are exploited and they are not paid fair wages. My neighborhood is not crime-infested, either.<BR/><BR/>If you want to stop illegal immigration, stop the corporations that exploit immigrant labor and the Administration that supports them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-13266542926963153652007-05-22T09:49:00.000-07:002007-05-22T09:49:00.000-07:00I'm in R-boy on the subject of amnesty. Those you...I'm in R-boy on the subject of amnesty. Those youngish working bodies will also come in handy if we happen to have a draft.Akubihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214321836465499032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-17176352582714124232007-05-22T09:47:00.000-07:002007-05-22T09:47:00.000-07:00Ok...I hope I don't sound bigoted here:Amnesty pos...Ok...I hope I don't sound bigoted here:<BR/><BR/>Amnesty positives:<BR/><BR/>Making them pay a fine.<BR/><BR/>Making them wait 8 years to EARN a green card.<BR/><BR/>Finally assigning more people to finally close the border (which should have been the priority NOT this dumb war - I am a Ron Paul conservative, thanks!).<BR/><BR/>Amnesty negatives:<BR/><BR/>Rewarding 12 million people for breaking our laws.<BR/><BR/>More traffic, more crime, more stress on social services which the guvmint can't afford to improve.<BR/><BR/>Burden on Western states to deal with this new paradigm.<BR/><BR/>----------------------------------<BR/><BR/>I am torn on this. I admire ANYBODY who comes here and works hard to better themselves. My problem is this...I live in SoCal...I see this problem daily. Crap neighborhoods with 12 people living in one home. Will this change with Amnesty? What about the pressure of public schools teaching these kids English? What about the fact I see more signs in Spanish than I do English? <BR/><BR/>My problem is that when we allow a huge influx of immigrants, we are bringing in more unskilled people than ones that CONTRIBUTE to the economy. Sure, most illegals work hard...I am NOT "hating" on them (as one famous immigrant likes to say). I do hate that there is no incentive to learn English. I also can't get over how nasty the neighborhoods these people live in become. You come here to BETTER yourself and your kids than try and become AMERICAN, PLEASE. I tire of seeing more Mexican flags than American ones. I do not understand why somebody leaves a crappy place just to bring that crappy place with them? No pride in ownership or anything it seems.<BR/><BR/>Sad. <BR/><BR/>Believe it or not, I root for the Mexican immigrants to be better. I just don't always see it. I know it's not just a Mexican illegal thing. I see it in black ghettos and I see it in white ghettos. But drive through Santa Ana and tell me that it couldn't be better? <BR/><BR/>But then again...Armenian and Russian illegal immigration is a HUGE problem down here and I find them arrogant beyond belief. Want to find an ugly stereotype? Look at the Armenian and Russian gangster wannabes down here. Black and Chicano gangs hate them.<BR/><BR/>As I said, I root for Mexican immigrants because they are willing to work hard. <BR/><BR/>Rant off.Dolphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12885567198838062574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-89147398505567241292007-05-22T09:18:00.000-07:002007-05-22T09:18:00.000-07:00SWEET LINKS~!Strategic Amnesty and Credible Immigr...SWEET LINKS~!<BR/><BR/>Strategic Amnesty and Credible Immigration Reform, Nancy H. Chau <BR/>Journal of Labor Economics, Vol. 19, No. 3. (Jul., 2001), pp. 604-634. <BR/>--Why immigration reform is often messed up in 1st world countries<BR/><BR/>Illegal Immigration, Border Enforcement, and Relative Wages: Evidence from Apprehensions at the U.S.-Mexico Border,Gordon H. Hanson; Antonio Spilimbergo,The American Economic Review, Vol. 89, No. 5. (Dec., 1999), pp. 1337-1357. <BR/>--How wage equalization will reduce the flow of illegal immigration (basically, why NAFTA was a good idea)<BR/><BR/>Political Economy, Sectoral Shocks, and Border Enforcement. Gordon H. Hanson; Antonio Spilimbergo <BR/>The Canadian Journal of Economics / Revue canadienne d'Economique, Vol. 34, No. 3. (Aug., 2001), pp. 612-638. <BR/>--Border enforcement depends on economics. When labour is in higher demand, enforcement is lax.<BR/><BR/>The Factor Market Consequences of U.S. ImmigrationMichael J. Greenwood; John M. McDowell <BR/> Journal of Economic Literature, Vol. 24, No. 4. (Dec., 1986), pp. 1738-1772. <BR/>--Wage effects<BR/><BR/>See folks, thats where I get my info. Not from Bush and Co.<BR/><BR/>(sigh)R-Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345932760522001935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-22289208357832142992007-05-22T09:11:00.000-07:002007-05-22T09:11:00.000-07:00@anon 9:02I agreed with everything you said, right...@anon 9:02<BR/><BR/>I agreed with everything you said, right up to "the idea that Americans are lazy is repugnant". I know waaaay too many people who have either scammed the system and are on disability, or simply come in, record their hours and collect their paycheck for doing very little actual work.<BR/><BR/>@R-Boy<BR/><BR/>It's great that the folks around you are keeping things nice, but I spent most of my formative years growing up in Riverside, CA. When I go back now to visit my parents & sisters, I would swear I was in Tijuana. Not a good thing.kndmanzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01749791314283307329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-30987358647748893082007-05-22T09:05:00.000-07:002007-05-22T09:05:00.000-07:00Rob Dawg,"Illegal immigrant most certainly take th...Rob Dawg,<BR/><BR/>"Illegal immigrant most certainly take th very best and more valuable jobs and replace them with the worst least efficient demaning labor jobs. They are the reverse of capital investment in technology and have left our agricultural heritage a century behind other american enterprises."<BR/><BR/>Very nice. I don't know if I've ever heard of illegals as "the reverse of capital investment." Very well said.El Gringohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00916939401187240294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-51301950587026689742007-05-22T09:04:00.000-07:002007-05-22T09:04:00.000-07:00Im not relying on fed statistics besides being a f...Im not relying on fed statistics besides being a fed. This is work that is based on economic data for the last 20 years...hardly influenced by bush n co.R-Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345932760522001935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-38958347256000898812007-05-22T09:03:00.002-07:002007-05-22T09:03:00.002-07:00I dont think Mexico classifies as 3rd world.As for...I dont think Mexico classifies as 3rd world.<BR/><BR/>As for Jose, Tesla, I have, and no, my life didn't get worse. They actually improved property values in our neighborhood because they (stereotypical I know) kept immaculate care of their lawn and outside of their house.<BR/><BR/>As for the so what, they lose their primary source of income? Uh, then they get to be supported by the government, not their primary income earner. I'd rather not spend money to deport these guys and then spend money to support their family for the 10 years it takes to make the income earners citizens.<BR/><BR/>There's a statue in NYC that says <BR/><BR/>Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame<BR/>With conquering limbs astride from land to land;<BR/>Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand<BR/>A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame<BR/>Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name<BR/>Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand<BR/>Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command <BR/>The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame,<BR/>"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she<BR/>With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,<BR/>Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,<BR/>The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,<BR/>Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,<BR/>I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"<BR/><BR/>by Emma Lazarus, New York City, 1883 <BR/><BR/>What happened to that?R-Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345932760522001935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-88416381814613703662007-05-22T09:03:00.001-07:002007-05-22T09:03:00.001-07:00I see 2 reasons why we have so many illegals.1) la...I see 2 reasons why we have so many illegals.<BR/><BR/>1) lack of border enforcement<BR/><BR/>2) USCIS(formerly INS) is absolutely a nightmare to go, costly and time consuming.aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11232800121806534724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-24189206597593429102007-05-22T09:03:00.000-07:002007-05-22T09:03:00.000-07:001000 a weak regurgitated the same tired:The "jobs ...1000 a weak regurgitated the same tired:<BR/><I>The "jobs Americans don't want" argument is bullshit, true, but honestly, immigrant labor does nothing to grow America's GDP.</I><BR/><BR/>In much the same way an arsonist or freeway shooter does perhaps. What my daughter's high shool spends for interpreters is enough to give every student a new lptop. Every year. What is spent on foriegn language gang specialists could pay for free health care. I'm not speaking expansively, I'm talking real numbers. Illegl immigrants are a net drain on our economy and ultimately push up the prices of everything. Where can I send the bill for our combating drug resistant TB? Sure they pay "taxes." Here's how it works, 23 hours at minimum wage per week claiming 14 deductions. The other half under the table. The taxes aren't enough to over the paperwork involved. How far do you think that goes towards covering the emergency response medical task force formed to combat recent outbreaks of whooping cough? Don't even try to defend their presence on economic grounds unless you give me an address where I can send you my share of th "largess."Rob Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10042154106850545479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-75350823583876631952007-05-22T09:02:00.000-07:002007-05-22T09:02:00.000-07:00"That is not true, period. I would invite the post..."That is not true, period. I would invite the poster to walk through the toy district or the flower district of downtown LA on a Saturday morning."<BR/><BR/>I don't have to, i live in the Bay Area, I can see what I'm talking about for myself.<BR/><BR/>What you're talking about is a tourist area where it pays to be nice to the tourists.<BR/><BR/>I can name any number of hispanic neighborhoods less than a mile from there, where *you* are not welcome, gringo. I've been there, and I would not step foot in there alone day or night.<BR/><BR/>R-boy...I tend to doubt any numbers the Fed publishes, sorry. I have a distinct feeling that Bush and Co. cook those books, especially as they can change the definition of "employed" at will. Maybe it's not bad in your neck of the woods, but my personal observations don't equal what the Fed says.<BR/><BR/>My apartment complex is being updated right now, by 60 hispanic workers brough in from Texas, and I would be willing to beleive most of them are illegal. <BR/><BR/>That's 60 jobs lots of American construction workers would love to have. <BR/><BR/>Sorry, but if all of the illegals were deported tomorrow, their jobs would be filled quickly, as companies would be forced to offer competitive wages.<BR/><BR/>The idea that Americans are lazy is repugnant. Most people I know work their asses off. Very few of them are like Casey. I'm tired of the insult that we have to bend over and piss on our culture, soveriegnty and rights, because we're *lazy".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-47922184650530696202007-05-22T08:54:00.000-07:002007-05-22T08:54:00.000-07:00"I love the "it has nothing to do with racism" lin..."I love the "it has nothing to do with racism" line when it is so clear, if you just take a step back, that there is a subtle racism going on. Destroying our communities? What kind of drivel is that?"<BR/><BR/>You're employing circular reasoning here. You're saying that opposition to illegals is racist because when you take a step back, it's racist. <BR/><BR/>As far as "destroying communities", well, did you ever live near illegals? When Jose and his 10 closest adult relatives move in next door your life is going to change and it won't be for the better.<BR/><BR/>The issue isn't race, it's culture. The illegals come from 3rd world cultures and they bring those values with them. That's what most people hate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-48769145812472843772007-05-22T08:36:00.000-07:002007-05-22T08:36:00.000-07:00I'm going to get a ton of flack for this, but here...I'm going to get a ton of flack for this, but here goes.<BR/><BR/>Everyone who is hyped up about illegal immigrants needs to see the recent episode of "Penn and Teller's Bullshit" dealing with this.<BR/><BR/>Here's the fact: the "problem" of illegal immigration is really a "problem" with Mexicans. They are coming to America, working their asses off, and getting paid absolutely substandard wages-- because what are they going to do, complain about a pay increase? The "jobs Americans don't want" argument is bullshit, true, but honestly, immigrant labor does nothing to grow America's GDP. You won't see an illegal immigrant designing Boeing jets anytime soon. From a pure job perspective, US workers should be much more frightened about India, Pakistan, and China, and guess what, they aren't even coming over here to steal our jobs, the jobs are just getting shipped wholesale.<BR/><BR/>The numbers about how much Mexican immigrants use in terms of social services are overblown. In terms of tax impact, the cost of building a new stadium in Los Angeles for a football team would be larger than providing healthcare for illegal immigrants for ten years.<BR/><BR/>I love the "it has nothing to do with racism" line when it is so clear, if you just take a step back, that there is a subtle racism going on. Destroying our communities? What kind of drivel is that?<BR/><BR/>History has shown that within 2 generations, immigrants who come to America become fully integrated. It was that way with the mass influx of Irish. The mass influx of Italians. Hell, everyone here is the product of an immigrant unless you're truly a native American. At some point, all of our ancestors were going through the same crap that immigrants from Mexico are going through. And it's racism.<BR/><BR/>"Every community these illegals move into becomes barrio overnight, with the attendant crime, drug trade, prostitution, and general chaos."<BR/><BR/>That is not true, period. I would invite the poster to walk through the toy district or the flower district of downtown LA on a Saturday morning. The "general chaos" is just a different culture going out for their shopping. Crime is an aspect of _every_ culture, or lest we forget about all of the meth heads in heartland America. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are trying to make a little money to send back to their families, so their families can have better lives.<BR/><BR/>American culture is changing, but that isn't a bad thing. Within 20 years being Latino will be the equivalent of being Irish or Italian. We'll get the requisite federal holiday, we already have cinco de mayo as the requisite going out and drinking holiday, and the culture will get absorbed by the American melting pot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-60769010109678785392007-05-22T08:32:00.000-07:002007-05-22T08:32:00.000-07:00So they lose their primary source of income, so wh...So they lose their primary source of income, so what. They should have thought about that before. If an American citizen who happens to be the primary source of income commits a crime and goes to jail/prison, his/her family is stuck in the same position, yet no one complains. I have no sympathy for a family who loses their father/wife because they were here illegally. Plan accordingly and do things the right way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7514357.post-91797744498535275112007-05-22T08:29:00.000-07:002007-05-22T08:29:00.000-07:00Does Casey have to pay taxes on the money he's pul...Does Casey have to pay taxes on the money he's pulling in from his website.<BR/><BR/>Or will he get reported and busted with our help?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com