Tuesday, December 12, 2017

Solimar Palm Farmed Burned

151 comments:

dilbert dogbert said...

Jess so all know what exurb is talking about:
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https://www.google.com/search?q=solimar+palm+farm&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=KDaH45RdYDdavM%253A%252CHxCalso46gCkvM%252C_&usg=__U-p6mKrrwBBQKsKX8MrHj6_E1uc%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiduabh9oXYAhUG74MKHQXZCqQQ9QEIKzAA#imgrc=KDaH45RdYDdavM:
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SAD

Rob Dawg said...

Here:
(34.3213440,-119.3807388)

Lawyerliz said...

Very sad.
But. .
Jones won!
Jones won.
Jones won!
Yayayyayay!

Rob Dawg said...

Everybody lost. Again.

LBD said...

Good Morning!

Fires have been very devastating.

Jones/Moore sad also to have an election become a trail of untried accusations. So now will action be taken against Moore or will the accusers go back asleep?


Lawyerliz said...

Isn't it past the statute of Limitations by this time?

LBD said...

I think so and that makes it impossible to justify if the accusations have merit. I know nothing about either candidate but see slimy politics again.

Rob Dawg said...

Neither the facts nor the law were ever relevant in this case. All that mattered was the accusations and the election.

What strikes me is how the left thinks they have momentum and a winning formula. 2018 is a long way away and these conditions will never repeat. The only plus side is that women are likely to be more active and be candidates. That’s good for everyone.

Lawyerliz said...

The Democrats are fielding candidates which I have been told are pretty good everywhere, which wasn't. I think that is good too. The presiden t ial party usually loses seats in the mid year elections. This victory can't be anything but a boost. You can call it momentum or anything you want, but it's a good thing for dems. Trump clearly has no coattails now. When will the billionaire donor get tired of donating?

Rob Dawg said...

They donated millions to HER and got nothing for it. Once burned...

And let us not forget. The Senate flipping would be an earthquake. Way to many D seat to defend and also go after R seats.

Lawyerliz said...

They are going to lose lots of house seats, I think. IF the Senate stays the same, 51 to 49 yes that will be a victory. If they pick up 1 or 2 seats, an earthquake, I dunno. The Repubs can can hard get an thing thru with only a 2 seat majority. With a one seat majority? Surely that will motivate them to compromise.

LBD said...

When do people figured they got duped again?

Lawyerliz said...

I'm hoping for an earthquake. If they get one seat for a tie???
Fiendish laughter. They would have to work together.

Lawyerliz said...

Duped by what? You wanted Moore?

Rob Dawg said...

Dems will definitely gain a few in California. They have a hit list and local money. I expect the money they spend defeating McClintock will set records.

Cinco-X said...

Due process is such an outdated, overrated idea. What were the founders thinking!?

Cinco-X said...

The falsifying of evidence is not past the Statue of Limitations.

LBD said...

I didn't want Moore per say but I didn't want a decision made on emotion and not fact. I would say that duped applies.

Poor Dems all that food stamp money defending the poor. Duped again.

Cinco-X said...

I'm surprised to hear there's room to increase in Kali. Massachusett's delegation is already 100% dimorats

Cinco-X said...

And Gerrymandering ensures it will stay that way

Lawyerliz said...

Hunh? Food stamp money?

LBD said...

Dems the defenders of the poor against the rich, so that leaves the poor to finance the Dems. Duped.

Lawyerliz said...

Sonce decisions on both side are made on emotion, I don't think you will get your wish. I too would like rationality. Frankly I don't know what Jones

Lawyerliz said...

Stands for, but I'm not from Alabama. He'll vote Dem

Rob Dawg said...

Some people won’t mind but Moore was correct that Jones will be a leadership lap dog.

Rob Dawg said...

California delegation: 39-14. So many safe districts that the Dems can pick off a couple currently Republican seats pretty easily.

Cinco-X said...

Two years for that lying son of a bitch. Then he's gone.

Unknown said...

According to wikipedia, Cali is 44% democrat to 29% Republican amongst registered voters. Doesn't the CA legislature have a 2/3 majority override? A couple more seats and they are fillibuster proof.

Rob Dawg said...

Registration is increasingly meaningless. One of us is R and the other D. That way we get all the mailings and emails. Politically the State is like lots of other states except add SF & LA. Alone they skew so left the whole State appears liberal.

Rob Dawg said...

Fire note. My BiL is off to NYC from his voluntary evacuation Summerland location. Not real worried but still gathered important papers and got them safe. Those keeping count this is day 9.

Lawyerliz said...

What lies did Jones say?

What position has he taken on anything?
No media coverage on that at all.

Rob Dawg said...

Jones is Obamacare, living wage, soft on crime and a global warming proponent. No judgement. Just reading his website.

Lawyerliz said...

I've tried to answer 2ce and it kicks me off

Lawyerliz said...

Briefly, punishment works when it is swift and sure, not severe.

Lawyerliz said...

Briefly Global warming has a lot of data points pointing that way, but no totally convincing theory.

Lawyerliz said...

What's wrong with a living wage? Isn't something in that direction a Christian teaching? When did I feed, clothe or shelter you Lord? When you did it for those poor men.

Rob Dawg said...

Global warming is true. That’s all we know. Anything about whether Orbital variation, volcanism or humans is at best conjecture. Anyone who doesn’t include at least those three is not reliable.

Lawyerliz said...

Solar variation too. Didn't that cause the little ice age? I personally am doubtful that there is enough vulcanism to do it,.but b you fires might.

Rob Dawg said...

A living wage is the right thing. Who decides is where it breaks down.

Lawyerliz said...

You guys need to do controlled burns. In addition to hardening houses etc

Lawyerliz said...

When the recipient is not naked, has a roof over his head, and healthy food in his stomach.

Lawyerliz said...

Solar variation too. Didn't that cause the little ice age? I personally am doubtful that there is enough vulcanism to do it,.but b you fires might.

Lawyerliz said...

9 days!!
At least hurricanes only hang around for a day or 2.

Lawyerliz said...

Humidity here. 25%.. Weather guy: bone dry!!

LBD said...

Sadly a living wage turns out to be a minimum free ride. We spend tons of money on education and we get a growing poverty class in return. On top of that we import a lot of poverty. NUTS! Beings they push global maybe we should be on a world scale. Christianity I believe tells you you have a brain, use it.

Lawyerliz said...

The Bible mentions food clothing and shelter
Nourishing food in the stomach, a roof overy your head and a couple of changes of clothes would do it. And loving kindness.

Lawyerliz said...

If someone wants to do more,hAve at it.
Good night.πŸ˜€
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LBD said...

Good Morning!

Let them do more if they want. I agree and they do. Private charities are huge in giving, so the question becomes why the governments heavy involvement? It appears to be a jobs program, especially educations roll in day care and food delivery. Importing poverty is big biz for education, medical etc. More biz more graft.

Cooler today 45F then back to the 50's. Still dry.

Rob Dawg said...

Governments institutionalize poverty because the huge social services infrastructure is beholden and the recipients are disarmed.

Lawyerliz said...

Most of them really need stuff.
I suggest the real moochers are the military industrial complex. Eisenhower thought so too.

Lawyerliz said...

A roofer came out. He was good. I think we're going to hire him!!!

LBD said...

Yes they are anti riot payments but it has grown out of control.

NASA?

Lawyerliz said...

NASA what?

Lawyerliz said...

Roofer hired. More employment.

LBD said...

Moocher, Ducks!

Lawyerliz said...

Nope.

Lawyerliz said...

I'll let Bezos of Amazon answer. His company, Blue Horizon just finished a factory to build rockets nearby. Beautiful build, went past there yesterday. 330 high paid employee. Just opened. I imagine he intends to make money.

Rob Dawg said...

Nothing more dangerous than engineers and scientists unfairly idled. They have ideas and the means to realize them. I spent a good deal of my time breaking things so that they wouldn’t break. I can break most anything technological or infrastructure complex. NASA was a good outlet for those types.

Rob Dawg said...

Follow the money:

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_31523797/four-boulder-climate-scientists-taking-their-research-france

Cinco-X said...

Amazon loses money for longer than the completion can hold out. Then they raised prices. That should be considered criminal behavior, and Bezos should be in prison

Unknown said...

Amazon learned it from walmart who learned it from the railroad barrons.

Lawyerliz said...

Got some people to post. NASA is our Chartres Cathedral.

Too many offshoot techs to mention

Employed the hub!

LBD said...

So should Korea, China, Japan, etc.

LBD said...

NASA is part of our military industrial complex. They haven't done much for decades. Eisenhower was a different era and is probably rolling over in his grave. Not just the MIC. IMO

Unknown said...

NASA hasn't been given a clear mission in decades. We are wasting a ton of potential. Get congress to tell NASA we want a man on Mars and the innovation will happen. I'd rather we put those engineers to work making biodomes than MOABs.

Cinco-X said...

Walmart didn't lose money for 20 years, nor did the railroads. There is no comparison

Cinco-X said...

Military too

Lawyerliz said...

Manned,not good,hub agrees. Planets, oodles. Maybe life on moons with under stuff oceans.

Rob Dawg said...

I wanted to LEO the shuttle EFT. There was enough fuel always remaining to do it. Would have been the basis of a space station.

Lawyerliz said...

Hub here. Like skylab. Yep.

Rob Dawg said...

Then you’ll really love my habitat design. Remember Jiffy Pop? Prepreg bid carbon fiber balloons with a simple docking ring of metal. The preimpregnated cloth would set in the presence of UV. Deploy this ring and cloth package about 4 feet across and three feet thick in earths shadow and apply about 1 psi to inflate. When you hit sunlight it hardens. From there inflate more layers inside for whatever special purpose that needs stronger or radiation protection.

Sorry I couldn’t make the trip to visit.

Lawyerliz said...

Me too. Welcome anytime.

Lawyerliz said...

The launch didn't go off anyway. Still hasn't.

Unknown said...

My point was that the idea of undercutting and outlasting the competition isn't new. Amazon is just taking it to an extreme.

Rob Dawg said...

We had to trust bust before for far less anticompetitive behavior. Amazon exploits suppliers as only a monopolist can.

Rob Dawg said...

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/7xpgvx/amazons-is-trying-to-control-the-underlying-infrastructure-of-our-economy

This.

Lawyerliz said...

Or walmart.

Rob Dawg said...

IMO Walmart doesn’t need to be broken up, just held to rules. It is iirc 15 years old but the story of the pickle and bicycle tells you all you need to know.

https://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know

Rob Dawg said...

Metaobservation:

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This is the rule capitalism needs to thrive.

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How many metaobservations in the past dozen years? Eight? Sadly most are lost to HCN.

sm_landlord said...

Thomas fire still burning. Now the fourth largest in California history at 242,500 acres (or about 379 square miles). It's said to be about 30% contained at this point, but full containment may take until next year... no rain in the near-term forecast at this point.

One firefighter died today out toward Fillmore, no details available yet other than his name: Cory Iverson of San Diego.

Rob Dawg said...

California cracks widen. Now Sacramento is pushing a new tax based on miles driven. Well, they -say- miles driven but they mean is how many and where driven. There are no words for that level of evil.

Lawyerliz said...

Yeay Teddy R.

Lawyerliz said...

Could intense fires cause earthquakes?

Rob Dawg said...

Last I checked global warming was being blamed for all natural disasters.

EngineerJim said...

>Now Sacramento is pushing a new tax based on miles driven. Well, they -say- miles driven but they mean is how many and where driven.

Well, they need to know if they were driven in CA. They just want to be "fair" about it. LOL.

Lawyerliz said...

Good night.πŸ˜€

Lawyerliz said...

How should roads be paid for?

EngineerJim said...

The claim is CA is not collecting enough money from the gas tax because of newer, more fuel efficient cars and hybrids and electric vehicles. So they need to know the number of miles driven by every vehicle so they are "fair" about collecting taxes for funding roads.

Cinco-X said...

Right... THAT... Send Bezos to Guantanamo...a real terrorist

sm_landlord said...

Speaking of monopolies, the Mouse+Fox deal looks like a perfect place for the lawyers to get involved. It's a vertical, horizontal, and every which way attempt to control markets.

sm_landlord said...

Thomas Fire now fourth largest in Cali history, now at 249,500 acres (~390 sq mi), new evacuations ordered, red flag warnings through at least tomorrow morning.

LBD said...

Good Morning!

Fire is probably the worst natural disaster.

Banks have become monopolies with the government blessing. Trickle down seems natural from there. Angry!

Cinco-X said...

Clever tax. The most miles driven are by those living the the red areas of Kali where it's less expensive to live.

Cinco-X said...

Winning

Lawyerliz said...

Trickle down doesn't work except for pee, and all the rich people know that. It does sound logical.
Lord Sumner Redstone is still alive at 94. Only the good die young.

LBD said...

If trickle down doesn't work, what does? Socialism? Communism?

Unknown said...

Wanting to change how a couple of the levers are being pulled in our representative democracy is a far cry from socialism, communism and fascism. A more progressive tax structure, low wage worker protections, election finance reform and conglomerate busting are not the death of our way of life.

EngineerJim said...

>Clever tax. The most miles driven are by those living the the red areas of Kali where it's less expensive to live.

Gotta get the deplorables to pay their "fair" share.

Cinco-X said...

Only the good kind of socialism... Ya know, the one where "I" get to take "your" stuff... Not the other kind

Cinco-X said...

They're more or a continuation of the death of our way of life. Don't get me wrong... I'm not a fan of the current system, but the dimorats plan is to further entrench the power of the elites, not to punish them and return power to the people

Unknown said...

"less expensive" as in more of their costs are subsidized by the densely populated areas. If they had to pay the true cost of utilities and roads and emergency services and etc. that are not economically feasible unless you subsidize it then they wouldn't be "less expensive" any more. I'm okay with subsidizing rural areas, but if you are looking to end a transportation subsidy to Tesla drivers, then effectively turning every road into a toll road is a pretty easy way to do it. You can find another way to subsidize the rural areas.

Unknown said...

The gas tax (and the political inability to ever raise it) has left the nations roads negligently underfunded. I'd prefer the whole country go to miles driven with an adjustment for weight of the vehicle. Motorcycles have almost no wear and tear on a road while heavy tractor traffic will take years off the life of an asphalt surface.

EngineerJim said...

Sure, miles driven makes more sense than a gas tax. However, as Rob Dawg mentioned (or inferred at least), there could be a privacy issue.

Unknown said...

I'd read the odometer when you get the car inspected. There is some slippage with out of state vehicles etc, but there's always a little slippage. If it's national policy to pay the miles driven tax in the place the vehicle is registered then you get the mileage data without the privacy issues.

sm_landlord said...

On the gas tax, don't forget to mention that large chunks of the gas tax revenue have been diverted away from highway maintenance to to build urban transit systems. So to some extent the rural gas tax money is subsidizing high-cost urban infrastructure such as trolleys, subways, and buses.

EngineerJim said...

>I'd read the odometer when you get the car inspected.

Yeah, I was thinking of something like that. In CA you need to get a smog check every two years, so you could read the odometer at that time. Also, the vehicle weight can be accounted for because the vehicle model is known.

Lawyerliz said...

Totally agree.

Lawyerliz said...

All good ideas. But we don't have inspection here. Not for years.

Unknown said...

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-flooding-insurance/

Very nuanced article showing the difficulty FEMA faces enforcing flood insurance standards.

Lawyerliz said...

The launch went off finally.

Lawyerliz said...

Fire news.

Lawyerliz said...

????

Rob Dawg said...

Google is seriously messing with me. Posts missing comments missing.

LBD said...

Cars with satellite links can report to the state annual mileage and those that don't can get a mileage verification at an emissions station. Great if electric cars have to pay.

Rob Dawg said...

A post got through.

Liz, the fires are getting worse but less dangerous. I know that doesn’t help.

Rob Dawg said...

Geodetic reportibgvsays your vehicle was in Cool CA at noon and Tahoe a short time later. Average speed 77mph. Here is your ticket.

LBD said...

CHP used to time the shadows cast on a car from an overpass from a great distance and compute excess speed to ticket. This was back in 1974 on 99. Better technology now same results.

dilbert dogbert said...

The CHP rule on hwy80 is that 80 is OK but 81 and lane switching is not.

dilbert dogbert said...

Re: Mileage driven gas tax
STUPID IDEA
Collect the tax from the company who produces the gas! Simple. Fewer pieces of data to track.
Sometimes I think we are passing through the tail of comet Stupid.

Lawyerliz said...

Hunh??

Lawyerliz said...

What if the aren't using gas.

Rob Dawg said...

I-80 @ 80mph is fine conditions permitting. Push the posted 65 mph in rain or worse and expect a warning at least. I get the sense that over the pass enforcement is about safety and not revenue.

sm_landlord said...

Fire Update:

> Officials are anticipating that the massive Thomas Fire burning in Santa Barbara and Ventura counties won't reach full containment until Jan. 7 — more than a month after it was sparked, Cal Fire said Friday.

> The wildfire has grown to the fourth largest in the state's history and had smothered 252,500 acres of the California coast as of Friday morning, or about 394 square miles, the state fire agency reported. It has been 35 percent contained since Thursday night.

http://ktla.com/2017/12/15/thomas-fire-threat-resurges-in-santa-barbara-ventura-with-return-of-powerful-winds/

Rob Dawg said...

Add:
kvta.com/news
kclu.org

LBD said...

My boss got caught in Excess of 100MPH. 300SEL 6.3 that's low cruise. Besides if 80MPH is OK on I80 he was on 99! :)

I agree that tax at the pump is still the best method but that won't make jobs and get more votes for the government. LOL!

This fire is amazing and very sad. :(

Rob Dawg said...

Ticketed for 100mph+ on most of SR-99 in a 300SEL 6.3 (M?) is just an arrogant prick tax.

LBD said...

Yes, I wish I had bought one. Rocket for a little dictator! Then I would have probably lost my license. ;)

Lawyerliz said...

Well, we got a roofer finally, someone to renew knockdown and replace some popcorn, and install light pipes. Next painting outside and in and some wood repairs. Then bathroom work. Repair of turtle destruction. Then we let it rot, except to replace old appliances. I don't see California rebuildin bunt houses any time soon. My house had the most minimum of hurricane damage, this was stuff we planned to do before the storms.
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LBD said...

Good Morning!

Good luck on your projects.

I talked to my biz partner and he was in Colorado when the hurricane hit and his Sarasota home only had a couple of screens blown out around the pool.

Rob Dawg said...

The mighty mighty Volvo is the penultimate stealth rocket. 2006 V70 2.5T. A station wagon? I say penultimate because I just missed out on a V70R that I test drove only to return and find the guy before me filling out the purchase agreement.

Rob Dawg said...

I bet some of the still smoldering foundations on Ondulando will be reoccupied by June.

Lawyerliz said...

Where are you gonna get the laborers subs and contractor. Even after MaiMI lightened up it was hard to get permits and inspectors, after andrew. I imagine Kali will be worse.

Rob Dawg said...

Remember that big U-3 lie about “not in labor force?” There are millions just waiting to re-enter.

sm_landlord said...

Thomas Fire now at 259,000 acres, moves to 3rd largest ever. 40% contained now.

Rob Dawg said...

Both Girl Scout camps my kids attended burned.

Rob Dawg said...

Cinco said on Reddit that the PAC12 was powderpuff football scheduling. While Oregon, USC and Cardinal would disagree it probably has more to do with a selection process that requires players to be able to read. 🏈

Lawyerliz said...

Wow, in a horrible way.

LBD said...

With boarder enforcement there maybe a labor shortage in Kali. Maybe some Americans will get off the couch. =:o

Lawyerliz said...

Very sad.

Lawyerliz said...

And maybe American employers will pay almost livable wages.

Lawyerliz said...

What's an almost living wage there? Or, more relevant, the hourly wage that would drag americans off couches?

Lawyerliz said...

=:○

Lawyerliz said...

What do they pay Mexicans?

For Americans 13, 15, 17 bucks an hour? And yes, this will raise pressures to increase job costs.

Lawyerliz said...

Inflation to make the Fed happy?

LBD said...

What ever Dynamics work out. It could be high cost low production or high production high cost. Will the border hold if the need is greater then supply. Living wage is not an issue for construction, especially temporary. It pays to work or it doesn't. IMO

Rob Dawg said...

My project guy gets $20/hr and his help gets $15-$20 depending.

Rob Dawg said...

New post.

Cinco-X said...

:P

Cinco-X said...

Is that the "high top fade" emoticon?

Lawyerliz said...

Sometimes people are too stubborn to raise wages even if it hurts them

EngineerJim said...

Going rate here for house cleaners, gardeners, etc is $20/hr.