Monday, August 11, 2008

Roiling Donuts

Shanps called this to my attention:
Fed says foreclosures will sweep exurbs next
Minneapolis / St. Paul Business Journal - by Jennifer Niemela Staff Writer

Woodbury, Plymouth, Apple Valley and Minnetonka — communities usually associated with wealth and prosperity — may become foreclosure trouble spots, according to an analysis by the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis.

The predictions are based on the number of adjustable-rate subprime mortgages that will reset in 2008. When the interest rates reset on those mortgages, also known as ARMs, monthly payments go up. Many of those borrowers, already squeezed by rising gas and food prices, will be more likely to go into foreclosure. Within the nine-county metro area in Minnesota, the Fed has identified more than 30 ZIP codes where the percentage of subprime ARMs that will reset in 2008 is between 34.9 and 50. This means those areas likely will be the next washed over by the foreclosure wave.

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Banks and lenders have plenty of financial data about their customers, so they can easily predict when a borrower might get into trouble. However, because of confidentiality and liability issues, they can’t freely share that information with nonprofit organizations that are trying to help borrowers either as financial counselors or as mediators between borrowers and lenders. Nonprofits have struggled to play catch-up with the waves of foreclosures that have already hit some parts of the metro area and Greater Minnesota.

“Quite candidly, we’re all about two to three years behind the curve,” Hanson said. “There’s no sign on people’s door that says, ‘I’m behind on my mortgage.’ ”

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Emerging pattern

The pattern that emerges from the data is that the foreclosure wave started in the central cities will mostly skip the first-tier suburbs, then hit the exurbs next, Grover said.

“It’s like a doughnut,” he said.

The first-tier suburbs may have more stability because home values didn’t increase as quickly as in the exurbs, and because they have a higher rate of mortgages that are paid off, Grover said. “That’s where homeowners have been there a long time and there hasn’t been a lot of housing development.”

There's several interesting ideas being floated here. First is their reluctant and sideways acknowledgment that the core areas are suffering first. They aren't really but always remember the context of reportage. Urbanists with big city imaginations even when those big cities are Minneapolis / St. Paul.

To reiterate; the places worst hit are/will be primarily the most recent and most expensive relative to long term values. That means those McMansions in Corona but it also mean those luxocondos in downtown. Secondarily it is/will be the places least like the SRF with white picket fence and those who were purchased for whatever reason 2003-2007 with less than 80% LTV conventional loans.

There's no subregional preference being revealed here. It is all bubble and squeak.

36 comments:

Lost Cause said...

First, let me tell you true casey sux.

Rob Dawg said...

Concerning Casey. Patience. Let him get looser and lubed with his own cream before we penetrate those depths. These little toes in the water ain't nothin' like rippin' off a leg and knawing down.

Second,

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/downey-says-regulators-limit-some/story.aspx?guid=%7BE42720CE%2DB4FB%2D48E5%2D8959%2D9CE189BFFC2C%7D

Regulators limit some Downey activities
Bank sees net deposit inflows after period of 'elevated' withdrawals

By Alistair Barr, MarketWatch
Last update: 6:23 p.m. EDT Aug. 11, 2008Comments: 5
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Downey Financial Corp.'s main regulator has imposed several restrictions on the lender's activities, including limits on dividends, asset growth and new borrowing, according to a filing Monday.
Downey (DSL:2.10, -0.14, -6.2%) also said that it's experienced "elevated" levels of deposit withdrawals after reporting a $218.9 million second-quarter net loss in late July. The company stressed that net deposit inflows returned more recently, but also warned that if outflows resume it would have to raise new capital or borrow more to meet liquidity needs.
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Dead bank lending. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

Casey Serin said...

Concerning Casey. Patience. Let him get looser and lubed with his own cream before we penetrate those depths.

Pile on, Robbo... there's room for about 10 more in the rear. ;-)

Kasey S said...

Well, living in Minnesota myself, I can tell you first hand that living in the suburbs is the "it" thing in Minneapolis. Downtown St. Paul is slowly becoming more attractive, downtown Minneapolis is for the young professional. Keep in mind, that in Minnesota you also need the big SUV for the boat, a jet ski, a snowmobile, and a motorcycle. Add that in with moderate wages and suddenly that $300,000 4-BR house (yes, I know it's twice the house you can get for 300K in CA) suddenly paying the mortgage becomes a bit harder. Add in the gas used running the kids to hockey practice and to work due to the lack of public transportation and that adds up.

But hey, at least Plymouth was ranked the #1 place to live by Forbes!!

soem dood said...

Monica thinks he is vulnerable for a full frontal flesh attack....

She is puttin' on the full court press!

(involuntary gag)

soem dood said...

He is already starting with the heavy-handed moderation again.

He is such a dolt.


http://i33.tinypic.com/mrbrsl.jpg

Unknown said...

Dood, come back to CHC. ;-)

The mop-topped boi-toi himself has popped in occasionally to converse with the Haterz. It's all good!

Tyrone said...

And then this...

LOST SOVEREIGNITY
OIL-RICH FUND EYEING FORECLOSED US HOMES

One sovereign fund, said to have earmarked $29 billion to purchase foreclosed residential real estate, recently hired a West Coast mortgage broker and is starting to search for bargains, The Post has learned.

The search, which is being carried out, in part, by Field Check Group mortgage consultant Mark Hanson, who was retained by the broker, Steve Iversen, is concentrating on single- and multi-family REO (real estate owned) homes, or homes that have already been taken over by the mortgagee.

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My fellow Americans, thank you, assholes!

The_Scum said...

I never should have covered my Downey shorts last year.

Oh well. That trade made me some money at leats. Life goes on.

Property Flopper said...

"Let him get looser and lubed with his own cream before we penetrate those depths"

Eww... just eww!

What a nasty thought so early in the morning. I think I'll go yack now.

Pleather Murse said...

Overbuilt market creating modern ghost towns -- "Americans like buying new construction — it accounted for 23 percent of all homes purchased last year, according to The 2007 National Association of Realtors Profile of Home Buyers and Sellers. But given that a growing list of builders have seen construction loans called by banks or fail to sell newly built homes fast enough to keep up with construction loan payments, it’s no wonder new construction “half-towns” are popping up along the landscape." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25887040

Peripheral Visionary said...

Rob, I disagree that there are no subregional preferences. We are most definitely seeing subregional preferences in the D.C. area, with the far suburbs (Loudoun, Prince William) getting hit the hardest, the close suburbs (Arlington, Montgomery) falling slower, and the District holding up reasonably well. Yes, condos are their own bubble in the process of bursting, but there is a surprisingly strong market for single family homes within city limits in safe neighborhoods.

One take-away from the Minneapolis/St. Paul situation is serious trouble for what I call the "rural to suburban" demographic. One thing I noticed while living in the West was that many city suburbs, but especially the exurbs, were filled with people who had come from rural areas. Jobs being limited in the countryside, they moved to the suburbs, got a decent job, and then were introduced to Credit. The inevitable result was the oversized home, huge brand new trucks, a boat, and an assortment of off-road vehicles.

That demographic has been stretched out for years, staying alive on home equity extraction, but everything--price of gas, availability of credit, home prices, availability of jobs--has turned against them. Consequently, I would expect the declines in home prices to be accompanied by a sharp drop in consumer spending in suburban and exurban Boise, Salt Lake, Denver, Tuscon, Dallas/Ft Worth, and the like.

Casey Serin said...

Where's that post about the oil bubble crashing, Blobbo™? The one you promised about two weeks ago?

... and where are the forums that were "coming the next day"? That was about 18 months ago, by my count... ;-)

Monica said...

Hey, no bad comments about me. I'm not trying to impress Casey. I was saying things that are true, such as that he looks good in the picture with the white tie and in the new picture, too, but that one is of poor quality. It's too dark.

Casey looks cute but on other occasions, such as in the picture with the ship, he looked stupid. He has a talent for looking in many different ways, from cute to stupid, and I said that, too.

I even said that he was boring when he was writing very seriously and talking of church and stuff. So don't think I don't provide criticism as well. But it seemed to me that he became more serious and less stupid.

Rob Dawg said...

Where's that post about the oil bubble crashing, Blobbo™? The one you promised about two weeks ago?

Two weeks ago oil was $147, today $114. What more needs to be said? That it "should" go to $85 and hover but "will" go to $95 and hover?

Oh, I know... diesel. Diesel will be interesting because it is essentially the same as home heating oil. HHO demand destruction is jaw dropping. That means the diesel supply has got to be huge. Grab a GTI smoker while you can.

serinitis said...

@Monica

Less stupid?

Did you see his latest post?

Monica said...

Yes. What's the problem? You may not agree, but he's entitled to his opinions. At least, he shows an ability to think critically. To tell you the truth, I actually thought he was smart, not just less stupid, but I did not want to "bait the Haters" who find him stupid.

soem dood said...

Benoit™ said:

'Lassie come home...'

Taking a page from Casey's "How to be a World-class Slacker in Four, no wait Three Easy Lessons", I kinda lost my CHC password, so I had thought about getting it reset, but then never got to the step of generating sufficient levels of Massive Focused Action of actually Looking into It™...

I guess I should do that now that Casey is off of the sofa and on the 'net...

I hope he doesn't stay on the "9/11 was planned by Lora Bush" tack, and actually gets back to fun stuff like stalking Galina, begathons, making "Grown Up Businessman Deals" in the real estate domain again... he he he

Property Flopper said...

Monica -

Got to ask... what part of his latest post did you find intelligent? What part would you say constituded critical thinking?

Serious question.

He put forward 911 conspiracy theories as fact, ignoring the overwhelming evidence against. He claims there is no law requiring we pay the federal income tax - he even goes on in the comments to site several tax protestors (all of whom he acknoledges are in jail)... by the way, the law he's looking for is the 14th amendment. :)

He also puts forward his belief that his little penny stock is set for a 10 to 100x return in the next three to five years... with no logical reason given.

I'll skip over the gloom and doom "world's going to end" mess.

Seriously, what part of that would you say was well thought out, intelligent and/or showed critical thinking?

Casey has once again read something and thinks he now has "the answer".

Property Flopper said...

OK, so I can't spell. I was typing fast, sue me. :)

Rob Dawg said...

Casey is dumb. Plain old everyday ordinary dumb. I never understood why anyone thought otherwise. This has been one of the big ongoing "about Casey" discussions that has never been decided. The guy managed to get millions of hits but couldn't take out the garbage to save his place to sleep.

Casey Serin said...

Casey is dumb. Plain old everyday ordinary dumb.

Hey, come on now Robbo ... I may be "ordinary", I may be "dumb", but I am not old. ;-)

Rob Dawg said...

Casey, we had a phrase for girls like you from when I was in college. Yeah, "low miles" maybe but "hard miles."

Heck if this how you look halfway thru your 20s I don't even wanna think about you in 10 years.

Casey Serin said...

Nah, early baldness doesn't run in my family... if you want to know how I might look in 20 years, check out my dad's Caseypedia page.

You won't have to think about me in 10 years, anyway... at the rate I'm committing felonies, I should be in ADX Florence by then anyway. ;-)

Lost Cause said...

Oil is going to $18. You heard it here first.

Property Flopper said...

$18 or $180. I'd bet on the latter long before the former.

Akubi said...

C'mon I think we're all intelligent enough to know that baldness comes from the mother's gene and not the father's...and that it is time to sell anything GOLD related.

segfault said...

soem dood said...
'I kinda lost my CHC password...'

I kinda lost my CHC account, due to inactivity, and did engage in Massive Focused Action to try to get it back, to no avail...

Casey Serin said...

Segfault -- anyone who wants to regain their CHC account or password, e-mail Tracy at ********@msn.com (replace the ***'s with nachocat).

You too, Robbo. ;-)

Anonymous said...

Let's see, that's

tracy@nachocat@msn.com

Got it, thanks, and edgar's sister thanks you, and the spambots thank you, and the nonprofits thank you...

Woohoo!

Anonymous said...

nachocat@msn.com

Akubi said...

I'm currently conducting a begathon of sorts for this poor little doggy, Little Lance.
The more you give to help him, the more fishnet points you get!

Casey Serin said...

Erm, Edgar, Tracy herself has already posted her own e-mail address here before, so too late to incite spam bots. ;-)

Peripheral Visionary said...

"C'mon I think we're all intelligent enough to know that baldness comes from the mother's gene and not the father's...and that it is time to sell anything GOLD related."

Nice to hear some capitulation, that means a bottom might be forming and the worst may be over. I'll have to resist the temptation to increase my positions, but the louder the predictions for gold 600 get, the less likely it is to happen.

But I am, at long last, rotating out of cash. No, not into American stocks (what, do I look like a fool?), but rather carefully selected international stocks that have been mercilessly hammered over the last six months, and which consequently are looking very attractive. More downside and volatility to come is likely, but that's what a scheduled dollar-cost average buying plan is meant to counter.

Bill in NC said...

Much of the diesel produced goes to Europe, from where the U.S. imports unleaded gasoline.

On-road diesel is not curently the same as home heating oil.

On-road diesel must be ultra-low sulfur, requiring expensive after-treatment (in the old days diesel was essentially a straight crack)

While *all* diesel must be ultra-low sulfur by 2014, there's no federal requirement for HHO to be low sulfur, so I expect HHO will still be cheaper, even considering road tax, than diesel.

Property Flopper said...

Ouch!

25% of home sales for less than seller originally paid. In some areas, up to 63% of sales.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/13/real_estate/sellers_suffering_huge_losses/index.htm?cnn=yes

Starting to see some panic selling, still not bottom yet though.