Sunday, November 26, 2017

Best/Worst Places to Retire?

Wallet Hub has compiled a list of the best and worst places to retire.  I don't understand their methodology and "gut reaction" says they have it entirely wrong.  See if you can make sense of these rankings:


From what I can tell... scratch that.  It doesn't make sense.  To me. 

Wallet Hub Best/Worst Places to Retire 2017

123 comments:

LBD said...

If you are happy where you are, then it is the right place.

Lawyerliz said...

Orlando? Yeah things to do Tampa? Miami? Home of the Traffic Jam.

Lawyerliz said...

Expensive things to do.

Lawyerliz said...

TamPA is n the place to drive to to get to St pete.

Lawyerliz said...

Newark awful

EngineerJim said...

Twelve of the bottom 17 are California cities.
LOL

Lawyerliz said...

A lot of them, didn't count,m in the too are Florida cities. Ladies in the unitarian church who left California, say they couldnt go back due to house prices m

Lawyerliz said...

That's top. Puzzled

Lawyerliz said...

Fresno almost as bad as Jersey city???

Lawyerliz said...

And there's Oxnard.

Jim the Realtor said...

Oceanside is the worst?? It has the best beaches in North SD County and the only strip club - right across the street from the Chamber of Commerce and the California Welcome Center!

sm_landlord said...

From the comments on their "methodology" page:

> Bingo Halls, Art Galleries, and Museums received the same weight as taxes?

In general, they heavily weighted a lot of things that most people will probably never care about. "Affordability" is only 25% of the total score, equally weighted with "Activities", in which single-interest items each received a heavy weight.

Very poorly designed.

Rob Dawg said...

Wait. There’s a CoC and CA Welcome Center there too?

Rob Dawg said...

They also totally have the quality of health care metric messed up.

The real problem is something demographers always struggle with. I consider Disney Hall, Hollywood Bowl and Getty Museum as part of my cultural sphere. In the other direction; Santa Barbara Zoo, the Amphitheater and all that are available. And please, having access to Cedars Sinai and UCLA Medical is considered low health care quality?

Rob Dawg said...

My favorite insult to Fresno is the sane as my favorite compliment to Fresno.

“Two hours from everything.”

Rob Dawg said...

You mean the dark green area from the previous post? Funny that. A place so ugly they need to pay hosholds the highest salaries just to live there? We should discuss this more.

sm_landlord said...

> We should discuss this more.

But not in public. Stay Away!!!

Rob Dawg said...

You more than anyone should know I can bust on Oxnard like no other.

Jim the Realtor said...

>Wait. There’s a CoC and CA Welcome Center there too?

Yes but easy to miss as you come out of the club's darkness - you get blinded by the sun all the way to your car.

Remember?

There is also a casino across the freeway, and several bingo halls filled with seniors - a fine city!

Lawyerliz said...

Bingo is only a place where you have an excuse to get out and meet friends.
Cruelly I Like To watcH PEople LosinG moNEY At The casino. And marvel why they would do that.

Rob Dawg said...

I’ve been known to drop a dozen dollars on mechanical slots in Las Vegas in a single weekend. Once even got a weak gin and tonic from a waitress that was worth more than the dollar tip.

dilbert dogbert said...

Any bad publicity about how awful Kalipornikatya is is good Publicity!!!
STAY AWAY!!!

TJandTheBear said...

We visited an Indian casino on the coast a short while back. Dropped a whole $10 in penny slots and surprisingly won $80. Decided that was a high enough note to leave on.

p.s.: Enjoying the rain up here!

josap said...

An enjoyable retirement means having things to do in the price range you can afford. Having friends /family near.

I don't see how the decision of where to live in retirement could be made from someone else's list.

Lawyerliz said...

Agreed. Hub wanted to move to Raleigh Durham for no reason I can see. We didn't.

Lawyerliz said...

And some place near to get blood tests. Groan.

josap said...

There is usually a couple of simple slot machines in each bar/cafe. The license from the gov. says, License for Extortion.

Lawyerliz said...

Gun. Who thinks gun manufactures should, out of the goodNess of their hearTs and promotion of civilization, pay therdical bills of. People who made it to the hospital, and owe medical bill

Lawyerliz said...

The medical bills

LBD said...

Good Morning!

Alcohol manufacturers should pay for all drunk driving accidents and deaths as should druged drivers, etc. Misuse and crazy people are the problem not the method. They fined the tobacco companies and they paid big money to states instead of to Medicare for cancer treatments. Highly unlikely the right thing would be done with money extorted from the gun manufacturers anyway. IMO.

Lawyerliz said...

Not to the drunks but the victims.

Lawyerliz said...

Do you think the victims should pay the hospital bills? Or, when they don't the hospitals should do nroke?

josap said...

The drunks become the victims, just like the gun owners would become victims.

Most people who have a drink never kill someone while driving. Most people who own guns never shoot anyone.

Use vs. abuse.

No company can supervise all the customers.

josap said...

In Az. I get a background check if I buy a gun at a store or pawn shop.

I can sell that same gun to my neighbor without any paperwork, or any notification to any Gov entity.

Lawyerliz said...

Just medical bills for bills that exceed the Insurance payments. And I said through through the goodness of their hearts, some what sarcastically I admit. So no extortion

LBD said...

There is a reason for medical insurance, including car insurance. Insurance is to protect your wealth, Hospitals don't turn people away at the time of an event as the law dictates. So yes the hospitals absorb the of the cost of the uncollected and I am sure they get tax breaks to help out. If you don't have insurance then you take the risk that catastrophic events won't happen to you.

If we blame every event and sickness on somebody or something then we would have no need for insurance and free medical care for everybody as we are all victims of some thing.

Lawyerliz said...

I don't think you should be able to do that. Maybe meet at a gun store, to do the bacgound check and transfer

Lawyerliz said...

There should be checks then too.

LBD said...

Checks will do very little. There is a way around just about everything. Besides criminals and the sick will find other methods available. Like renting a truck.

Lawyerliz said...

Should we not have rule against rape and murder because they can't be enforced. And yes, access to mental health should be greatly expanded

Lawyerliz said...

And we should do a lot more mental health research. Mental health, I would guess is 100 years behind physical research.

josap said...

Mental health research gets it wrong at times. The self esteem generation. Helicopter parents. Keeping up with the Jones.

Product advertising, movies .....

Lawyerliz said...

Of course. No reason to stop research.

Lawyerliz said...

I don't see what the last 2 thing have to do with mental health research, except that helicopter parents are ridiculous.

Rob Dawg said...

I see lots of causation. Product advertising. Why aren't you successful? you don't have a new Jaguar. Your teeth aren't white enough, you are too fat, all a form of psychological trauma.

josap said...

Helicopter parents don't allow a child to become an independent adult. The parents are always there to fix it, to guide every minute.

Everyone falls down. What matters is how you get up. What happens when a person never experiences falling down? Or is always helped up?

How will they deal with failure as an adult?

josap said...

Coming at you every 10 minutes on TV, from birth. Did you know there is a cable channel just for infants?

There is one for dogs too.

Rob Dawg said...

Did you know there is a cable channel just for infants?

There is one for dogs too.


Same channel?

Seriously. Do not forget the home improvement channels to exploit residence insecurity.

LBD said...

Remember the idiot finance talking heads claiming credit is wealth and your home is your savings account? Then 2008 went boom and all the banksters walked free with everyone's wealth, including those of us who didn't play.

Rob Dawg said...

OT. A picture of the puff pastry pinched brie honey almond appetizer. Leftovers and the sliced fresh apple is not visible:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GYr7m__EMcw/WhxxAqpQydI/AAAAAAAAKRw/wUtUHcyrFbMCBmku7On8WGBwkmWzebmwACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_2740.JPG

josap said...

Last dinner in Spain. Excellent.
Almost time for sleep.
Just under 24 hours of travel time tomorrow. Hope to sleep on the London to LAX 11 hr leg.

Lawyerliz said...

They become Trump.

Lawyerliz said...

Yep.none went to jail.

Lawyerliz said...

Brie and apple. Divine.

Lawyerliz said...

I can never sleep on airplanes
Lucky you.

LBD said...

No left overs here we sent it home with the kid and it's back to a health weight reducing diet.

josap said...

Good drugs. Scrip by Dr of course.

Unknown said...

You can sell the gun to your neighbor, but if you didn't do the background check and they shoot someone then you are liable for the improper sale.

Encinitas Undercover said...

San Diego and Chula Vista are the same metro area, literally contiguous, and yet SD is near the top and CV is near the bottom.

Makes no sense.

Lawyerliz said...

Hah!

Lawyerliz said...

One is bad

Lawyerliz said...

Don't know which one.

Cinco-X said...

Birmingham, AL !?!?!?!? Dfuq!!!

Cinco-X said...

You're a lawyer. Why do you persist in pursuing something that's obviously unconstitutional?

Cinco-X said...

Well... Just got back from the Iron Bowl... That was disappointing. My team really didn't show up to play on Saturday. Beaten in essentially every phase of the game.

Rob Dawg said...

College wussie rugby: UCLA outlasted Cal which was a surprise.

Yeh, Birmingham? I have decided that "wallet hub" is looking after their own wallet on this ranking.

And while I am often critical of where I was supposed to grow up, Worcester in no way deserves such a low rank.

Rob Dawg said...

If products carried liability relative to risk ladders and bathtubs would be unavailable.

sm_landlord said...

> If products carried liability relative to risk ladders and bathtubs would be unavailable.

It would be interesting to research how the Ladder and Bathtub industries managed to fend off the ambulance chasers. You certainly cannot rely on the courts to maintain sanity.

Lawyerliz said...

HAve you read a ladder recently? That said one collapsed under the hub a few weeks ago while cleaning a gutter. He didn't think of suing them. Was hurt, but not that badly. Ladder was old,m but not that old.

Lawyerliz said...

Ladder is chock full of warings almost to the point of DO NOT BUY THIS LADDER!!!
Bathtubs I don't know.

Lawyerliz said...

If the ladder was new and the hub badly damaged, I'd think of suing.

Lawyerliz said...

The ladder did collapse and he was not jumping up and down on it.

Lawyerliz said...

Nitey night.😀

LBD said...

Ladders are subject to abuse under what many would consider normal use. Wood is a bad choice IMO shrinkage, especially old ones. They rarely see true level surfaces and are subject to load shits ending in twisting. Made in Chimerica is another problem.

Jim the Realtor said...


>>Seriously. Do not forget the home improvement channels to exploit residence insecurity.

HGTV is one of my best friends - love the education value, right or wrong. If there was more local choices focused on value it would help, but we get along.

Lawyerliz said...

I like this Old House and Tiny House and.less Tree Houses and moe Miss Fisher's Mysteries and Father Brown and antiques Road Show.

Lawyerliz said...

More, not Moe. Hehe.

Lawyerliz said...

My son's Siamese used to like cartoon.

Lawyerliz said...

Anyone plan to move somewhere upon retirement?

Lawyerliz said...

Is Trump determined to to make every group in the US mad at him? Now it's Indians.

LBD said...

Good Morning!

HGTV does sell discontentment.

I am in my last house and not going anywhere. RV works for me, Oh the interior is dated. Call for HGRVTV! :)

Lawyerliz said...

Don't fix it up. You won't get the money back.

Lawyerliz said...

Except painting.

Lawyerliz said...

Is Cheeseburger still out there?

Rob Dawg said...

Apparently our neighborhood is on a scheduled power outage for a major upgrade. Forced to golf and garden. New post when the power returns.

Rob Dawg said...

The exception to abiding RV improvements; electronics. Between lower power, smaller footprint and increased fuel efficiency there is almost always an immediate ROI.

Lawyerliz said...

What is theost abnormal thing in the world.at this time, does anybody think?

Lawyerliz said...

Most

Cinco-X said...

We might, but we might just end up as snowbirds

Cinco-X said...

Indians come from the subcontinent... You're talking about injuns, aka native 'mericans...

LBD said...

As long as we derive benefits from pulling forward in our life time and are long gone when the balance can't be paid.

Rob Dawg said...

Most abnormal would be crypto currencies.
Second place tie would be long bonds and Chinese backed anything.

Lawyerliz said...

Agreed

Lawyerliz said...

Anybody else? Could be anything, including non financial.

Rob Dawg said...

The $100m plus worth of houses in the proximate Dawghaus neighborhood have been without electricity going on eight hours now. Not a big deal and we were informed in advance but it seems the US is ever slipping into lower expectations of service and infrastructure.

LBD said...

To easy to get degrees and not well educated. Poor performance and more costly. IMO

Rob Dawg said...

18 months journeyman electrician or plumber path -> $100k.

4 years computer science. $120k debt and $60k.

Lawyerliz said...

I think electricans have interesting jobs. Nice balance of indoor/outdoor. And figuring stuff out and labor.

LBD said...

If I was young I would do a handyman biz. Most of it is simple and easy.

Rob Dawg said...

My BiLs have done exactly the electrician path as has an Uncle. All prospered.

Rob Dawg said...

Seems doing stuff will never go out or style.

LBD said...

Any job/business done right makes good money.

Lawyerliz said...

Different problems all the time.

Lawyerliz said...

Best and worst

Lawyerliz said...

Doctors
One of the best was Florida, because we have so many over 65, presumablY sicker, So more money. Sickness is good.

Lawyerliz said...

New post.

Lawyerliz said...

When???

LBD said...

Good Morning!

Boomers need for medicine is big everywhere. The only real growth here is the hospital and doctor turn over has slowed.

Rob Dawg said...

When the coffee kicks in.

Rob Dawg said...

When Mrs Dawg found out about Matt Lauer she asked”was there anybody left to report it?”

Jim the Realtor said...

Ann Curry?

Unknown said...

Turns out the media is the swamp getting drained in 2017...They should all go into politics where it apparently doesn't hurt your career.

Lawyerliz said...

The print media is dying, like department stores
And big malls.

LBD said...

Ann Curry? Wasn't there something about her and the pool boy? LOL!

Lawyerliz said...

Matt Lauer?? Matt Lauer?? It seems this is not a case of one rotten apple.

Rob Dawg said...

The msm was protecting the swamp. The draining is a multilayered project. Just like the next post about the Oroville Spillway project.

Lawyerliz said...

Next they ll tell us Walter Cronkite was guilty and Edward R Murrow, and try to resurrect their ghosts!! To punish them? Leonardo DaVinci was a pediphile. Should we tear up the Mona Lisa?

Lawyerliz said...

These people need to be punished, but an unwanted kiss does not deserve the death penalty. Small infractions, small punishments like everything else. Big infractions, big punishments. I said there would be a push back, but I didn't think the pusher back would be me.

LBD said...

Burn your energy on natural human activity and avoid the real problems. How many people put themselves is compromising positions and fantasies.

Lawyerliz said...

Or, we could start presuming guilt,.and fire them all.

Lawyerliz said...

Is avoiding but grabbing so hard?? When I say Lauer's name I thought he was dead.

Lawyerliz said...

Saw

Rob Dawg said...

Matt Lauer really grilled Bill O'Rielly. Will we see him get treated the same?

Regardless, new post is up.