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| Post Irma NOAA satellite image |
| Full disclosure. I have no interest and at most have driven or biked past this property only a few times and none recently. | 1205 Holiday Dr, Englewood, FL 342232 beds 2 baths 1,410 sqft
$680,000
Price cut: -$70,000 (6/19)
Listed by:
LOCATION,
LOCATION, LOCATION. THERE ARE ONLY 7 HOMES ON MANASOTA KEY WITH THE BAY
& DEEP WATER DOCK ON ONE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND A SEA WALLED SALT
WATER CANAL WITH QUICK BAY ACCESS ON THE OTHER SIDE. KEEP A SECOND BOAT
ALONG THE CANAL OR BRING YOUR BOAT THERE FOR SAFETY WHEN A STORM
APPROACHES. THE VIEW OF LEMON BAY FROM THE LIVING ROOM, DINING ROOM,
KITCHEN & LANAI IS MAGNIFICENT. YOU HAVE VERY QUICK ACCESS TO THE
GULF OF MEXICO THROUGH STUMP PASS. ONLY THREE OUR FOUR MINUTES BY CAR TO
STUMP PASS BEACH STATE PARK AS WELL AS ENGLEWOOD PUBLIC BEACH, SEVERAL
GOOD RESTAURANTS, BEACH SHOPPING AND WATERCRAFT RENTALS. THIS HOME GOT A
NEW SHINGLE ROOF IN 2013 AND THE DOCK ON THE BAY WAS REBUILT IN JANUARY
OF 2014.
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94 comments:
I wonder where the new roof landed after Irma...
Glad to see "follow" was interpreted in both meanings. Hi Dave.
Just resisted as RV pad with full hook ups. Drive away when hurricanes hit.
Good goddess this Florida not Kali!!!
Heck Dave, roof? Perhaps if floated away.
In fact I'd bet it got lots of water inside. I wonder what it looks love now.
Like now.
So now do they collect the money and run? What value do they establish?
I will ask my brother to check it out when he is in the neighborhood.
“And we thought he was here to help us or offer some type of assistance with the trees, maybe he was going to bring us ice or something,” Perez told WSVN. Instead, the official slapped a safety notice on the only part of Perez’s fence still standing.
“I laughed,” he said. “I thought he was kidding. ‘You are kidding right? We just had a hurricane six hours ago.’ ‘No, I’m not kidding. I have to cite you for this.’ I just laughed. OK, whatever; knock yourself out!”
http://theantimedia.org/fl-hurricane-damaged-homes-ticketed/
They should put his picture after officials in the diction
Dictionary.
https://beerandbrewing.com/florida-brewers-collaborate-on-hurricane-irma-relief-beer/
Helping!
Officious dyac. Changes it almost ever time
Yeah, we run.
Hey, what happened to all the fires in Kali and environs?
My SiL and nephew have houses in Tampa just a bit North of there. They said it wasn't that bad. No flooding, roofs intact, no broken windows. A lot of downed trees and branches though...
You are supposed to get enough money to rebuild and replace all your stuff--at full replacement value if your policy says so, like new. You do not get land value. I don't know what you get if the land washes away. But if it takes 400,000$ to replace you old home, just as it nice as it was before, on a house that you want to sell at 680k, well, what can I say?
My roof leak did not become apparent for several days after we got back. Just daying. We were very lucky. But even an inch of rain causes puddles. The water tableuse be very close to the surface. As per my reply comment above. I wonder if anything insures you if the land just washes away
As in, not there any more. Dunno. Flood insurance? Sounds like it should apply, but I don't know. I forget my law on avulsion and all. At some point your land goes back to the waters. You might not be allowed by the authorities to just bring in lots of clean fill and build it back up again.
Water table must be
It's Trump's fault!!!! Hehehehe hahahahaha
Florida and Texas are lucky that Trump didn't waste billions on fake climate change mitigation so the money was available for disaster relief.
True dat... BTW, Outsider had a new handle on the Reddit blog: "Whinge Commander"
That was both funny and annoying. POIC now Mudbiker kicked me off his blog for whining.
Good Morning!
Fall wind and 80's today.
They still mud slinging over there?
Nah... It's more "wallowing" now that dissent had been stifled...
Mebbe there wouldn't have been a disaster. .
That's funny, I was deleting old emails and invited him to come over, telling him to come over because you were mellow.
Anyway we do need infrastructure help, and Trump should go for that for a win. Local bridge failing because storm washed away pilings. That's not so bad but it carries a pipe which may collapse, if the bridge does, which means no water for Cape Canaveral------and me!
They are working on it but I wonder how many bridges are a mess, with or without Irma.
Not to speak of water infrastructure.
Damaged bridge is a win win to repair. I would be mean however that I would pay for it by making FDoT sign an agreement that they promise to maintain to B or better American Civil standards for the expected life of the bridge.
I am sure more bridges in Fl are suffering more from bad dredging and subsidence than storm damage.
Liz, I am mellow. I just don't let people be sbusive without calling them out on it. Mudbiker wanted to be able to allow oiling on when it suited but not tolerate pointing it out.
My Bro and SIL in Fort Myers lost one tree and all the landscaping plants. No flooding. They had no electricity for three days because their generator was on another property on the other side of flooded creek.
Changing topics, I think infrastructure spending is probably too expensive. That money is supposed to be given to the 1% in tax cuts they purchased with their campaign donations.
Shouldn't your water bill cover the cost of repair or replacement? Sadly they all wait to get disaster relief money.
This is not true of this particular bridge, it is clearly eroded suddenly away from the pilingd.
Dunno,but at this point everybody's water bill would quintuple at least, for many, unaffordable. From this point foreward increased water bills should be imposed, to pay for repair and replacement.
I pretty sure this pipe and bridge will be replaced quickly, because it feeds the Space program.
God knows what will happen to poorer communities. There a fair number of well off people who live between this pipe and the space center, and they will make a big stink, if this is ignored.
Bitter laughter.
These storms are not proof of climate change but they are a couple of data points that are pointing in that direction.
In other news.
A community leader in Ventura County detained on immigration charges is now free on bond.
Luis Lopez-Diaz was taken into custody August 29th after Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agents found him while looking for someone else at an Oxnard apartment complex. ICE officials say when agents questioned Lopez-Diaz, they discovered he didn’t have legal status in the U.S., and that he had been deported from the U.S. five times in the past.
Um, if there are another 2 hurricanes this year or next year like the 2 horrible of this year, people are gonna start abandoning the islands. They will not go to Mexico.
Also, I do not see how Puerto Rico can be fixed with any promptness. It's a mess. A client of mine who lived there for a while says the authorities are horribly corrupt.
There are American citizens.
They will not go to Mexico either.
Your guy is an example of how you can't stop a big human immigration unless you start shooting.
I know you mean he should be put in jail, or summarily kicked out.
And,.for the record, I don't think infrastructure should be fixed in Puerto Rico. Unless and until it's fixed here.
PR needs to be a state. It is that simple.
Simple. Yeah right. Impose English? Allow corporate investment? Federal presence? They'd call it an occupation.
Too late for that. Five times.
TESLA sighting in Laughlin NV. No hitching posts around or I missed it. 🤠
They chose not to be a state. Ok. Sometimes you have to take the consequence. And their political are worse than ours, I know it's hard to believe, but so it is.
Oh, they make cars, don't they?
They certainly don't make money.
Remember the Philippines kicking out the US Base just a few months before Mt Pinatubo erupted?
Yep.
Hey Dawg, how did you find that house?
My brother is in escrow a few miles inland from there and I've pedaled oast on the Manasota Key a few times. I have a terrible memory for names but nearly eidetic memory for geography.
Know if the house was damaged?
What is a fair price for that house?
I'll get my brother to drive by and check the neighborhood. If it isn't damaged $600k imo but my opinion is colored by my bias. Lots of dock and looks low maintenance. Others might like those.
https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/irma/index.html#19/26.91430/-82.35269
The neighborhood is untouched.
Good Morning! ☀️
I assume houses will suffer a value decline till memories clear of hurricanes. Any idea about undamaged areas?
Updated the post to show the NOAA satellite image post Irma. Refresh the post to see it. Right middle house.
I expect prices to be all over the place. Maybe this neighborhood came through so well they raise prices. Who knows?
I haven't seen any turtles since before the hurricane hit, but we had to stop for a couple of cranes walking across our road.
I guess 600k might be ok, but I wonder if anybody will insure it. And how much flood insurance will be.
If the same number of people want to live here, and X number are destroyed, seems like prices should go up. After a while anyhow. Some might want to take the money and run. If they want to move north anyway, it will be the ideal time to move, if you get lots of insurance money. Did NOLA Get its poulation back?
The interesting thing might be that insurers see what happened this time using hires satellite imagery and they get better at micro rate adjustments both up and down.
You might notice in the new picture. Not a boat to be seen. They had plenty of time to move their watercraft to safety. Why not lower their insurance?
On the boats?
On the boats yes. Insurance is about margin and market share. If these people are lower risk because they can protect their craft, give them a lower rate. Big data isn't just about catching cheaters.
> Did NOLA Get its population back?
No, thankfully. Getting close unfortunately.
There's a time to walk away.
Sort of wonder how long it actually takes to recover from a hurricane.
Several years ago, stayed at a hotel somewhere around Palm Beach Fl that had been hit by a hurricane about 8 months previous.
You weren't allowed to go out on the room balconies because they were considered structurally unsafe. (They enforced that by physically screwing the balcony doors shut). Also the whole hotel smelled musty and damp (8 months after the hurricane). I guess having 100+ MPH winds driving rain horizontally leaves a mark.
Old Florida buildings tend to be like that, if they aren't continuously air conditioned. I delayed rebuilding for 6 or 9 months because basically I wanted to see if the neighborhood would come back. It did.
I heard a lot of black peole did much better after they got away.
When I bought the Dawghaus for a song I waited two years to gauge the soil and foundation and structure before initiating repairs and upgrades. That was just an unusual grading/soils/compaction issue. Subsidence, surge, channelization is a whole level above.
> I heard a lot of black peole did much better after they got away.
I prefer to think of it as breaking people out of socioeconomic channels. When you are on the worst paths to start with, the odds are that you end up in a better place.
Changed states today, Lake Havasu AZ. A bit windy but warm and clear.
Buy some enamel paint for me.
That's what I said
I have to see some ID sir or a note from a supervising adult. 👮🏻
Hehe. Can you sniff enamel paint?
Bought a new battery for my cell phone. Now it will forever!!
Huston mad at leaders for allowing developers to build on flood plains and not making them build retention ponds
Gov apparently, fed Gov has been buying back houses for years. I didn't know that. Will do more of it. Were these people even required to buy flood insurance?? And needed infrastructure neglected? ?? And they are arguring about which level of gov should pay. Groannn!
We just paid the water bill---27$. It needs to double at least.
Forgot, we had a main break a few months ago
Betcha a lot of the pipes here need replacing.
Ohhh, Trrrummmp!!!
And most of the stuff here is relatively new. What about old cities like Baltimore?
Good Morning! 🌞
Water company should have a replacement fund and maininace program instead of patch and ignore. Fed shouldn't be helping with out it. IMO.
Several talking heads are proclaiming a bear market based on the premise that households are stuffing themselves with stocks. And they are always wrong. Well Trump only has a few hours to push his health care bill through. If I needed an operation, I'd get it right now. Odds anyone?
But they don't. Matching funds for a couple of years?
Of course they don't, why should they when the Fed will issue grants for neglect.
so buyout is a tool in the kit for some homes, but pricing is very tricky. There is a neighbohood in austin that is the absolute lowest land value left in the city, but also floods due to bad regulations in the 80s when it was built. The city has been buying out at ABOVE market value because there is literally nowhere in the city with equivilant land value the people could move to. If you want them to take the buyout then you need to offer them enough money that they can afford the house they will move into. You can imagine how well this goes over politically.
Pay them to go somewhere altogether different. Build high rises on higher ground.
lifespan of a water line is very unpredictable. I see 40 yr old lines that are perfectly fine and 20 yr old lines that are falling apart. You're asking a city to keep consistent accounting standards over a 20 yr period with a wildly fluctuating tax base and political pressure to borrow against the fund seemingly every year. There is no way that money is there when the time to replace it comes.
Now that nature has Clearly told us what not to do
Water departments can charge a fee for unpredictable failures. Set a threshold and stop collecting until needed. When it drops then resume collecting again. It is insane to think some kind of failure will not occur at some point and time.
Forgot yesterday diesel fuel in Needles CA was $4.099. You have to be rich just to be poor in Kali. AZ was $3.089 juts a few miles down I-40.
Ruby says it will be filched.
The Massachuchusetts Turnpike was supposed to become toll free after 20 years. Yeah right. The money was filched.
In the NYCT system the bridge tolls that were supposed to cover maintenance went to transit operating deficits instead.
I could go on but you've heard it before.
New post. Another house to follow.
Bottom line is people don't take care of business. They get what they deserve.
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