Housing Bubble, credit bubble, public planning, land use, zoning and transportation in the exurban environment. Specific criticism of smart growth, neotradtional, forms based, new urbanism and other top down planner schemes to increase urban extent and density. Ventura County, California specific examples.
Monday, October 06, 2008
Six Sigma
Six sigma, black swan, whatever. Abnormal is the new normal.
83 comments:
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Two firsts in one day? Must be because there were two posts in one day.
Firsts here are easy these days. Long gone are the times when people were using their credit check access to advocate the rape of underage children. You remember.
Rob - the credit thing is a lie and you know it. Any inquiry shows up on your report and then you'd have the proof you need to purport this "theory."
I know I didn't pull your credit and you know it too. So knock it off. There's a whole cabal of people at CHC that don't think very much of you, so I was hardly your only enemy. Give it a rest.
Nigel, I got an inquiry from your old marketing effort project asking about your use of unauthorized credit inquiries from their URL. You might take it up with them.
As a non-californian, I would feel a whole lot better about California asking for 7 billion from the treasury if they would execute 7 billion in spending cuts for the next fiscal year to pay the rest of us (actual taxpayers, not "citizens") back. I'm just pissing into the wind, because I have a strong feeling in the next couple of years, many other states will be asking the fed gov for help, and with an all too compliant Dem leadership to fork it over.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm happy to discuss this off blog through email. Please forward that correspondence to me.
I assure you, I have never pulled credit on anybody without their permission and I have never pulled credit without a SSN. I don't know yours.
FWIW, back in the day I received odd emails from financial institutions online forms that were clearly haterz generated. Perhaps this correspondence came from them?
Regardless, if I did pull your credit (which I didn't), it would show as an inquiry on your credit report through Factual Data-IFF. If it's not there, I didn't pull it, regardless of any emails you received.
Knock Out: CNBC Confirms Lehman CEO Punched at Gym
Network verifies reports Richard Fuld was attacked for financial institution's bankruptcy.
While former Lehman CEO Richard Fuld was testifying before the House Oversight Committee Oct. 6, CNBC reported he had been punched in the face at the Lehman Brothers gym after it was announced the firm was going bankrupt.
Dawg - I hear you. I would love to see munis and cities be tighter with their books which would help everyone up the chain. Instead, papers report cities threaten school and police/fire cuts first to scare voters. No one wants to make the spending cuts in frivolous govt shit. I think this ties into the much bigger idea that a lot of people want to just blame wall st instead of look in the mirror and yell at that person for their small part in the whole ordeal.
Just wait for Massachusetts to pass the referendum on ending the income tax and politicians set it "aside". I'll have my popcorn ready for that.
I would be all for a high speed rail if it were by a private firm. No unions, and it would only be done if it could run a profit.
My last post on TrueCasey ended with something along the lines of: YOU ARE PATHETIC. Given the current financial tsunami we're dealing with and the role he played in it, I do not find his antics remotely entertaining any longer. I will continue to hate Casey, but this shit is so f-ing juvenile: Nigel: There's a whole cabal of people at CHC that don't think very much of you, so I was hardly your only enemy…
Hey Nigel, Oooh no! Who gives a rat’s ass if that’s the case?
@Mandelbrot said... Nice casual throwing of CH.C under the bus there, Nigel. You've learned well from murseboi.
Huh? It seems CHC does quite well throwing themselves under the bus without interference from anyone.
The world is going to hell in a handbasket, but let's just pretend Casey’s antics are remotely relevant other than wanting to send him to prison where the shithead belongs
I am with akubi lab dog. When I need to escape the world of criminal fraud on a grand scale, I seek out total delusion and fantasy, and I go see Snowflake. Do you really want a boicott him now? He has finished his e-book. At least give him that accomplishment. He is a good reason to stay in school.
Factions of haterz fighting each other. I think that started when Caey recruited his third hater. Casey is not nearly enough to keep the haterz entertained. Family sqabbles are a significant part of the story.
And the trolls that popup on a fairly regular basis add a minor amount of interest as well. Unfortunately they are usually too stupid to be entertaining for very long.
I like Rob and Nigel is 100% wrong in generalizing that I don't.
I didn't say anything about you Dolph. I was simply making the point that Rob had other people that didn't like him besides me and for him to automatically blame me was flawed. You have to admit there are people at CHC that don't like him. I didn't say everybody there doesn't like him, just that a group there doesn't.
SAN FRANCISCO - A federal judge has scolded California officials for failing to provide the billions of dollars a court-appointed receiver says is needed to upgrade the state's prison health care system. U.S. District Judge Thelton Henderson made it clear Monday he expects California to pay $8 billion for seven new inmate medical facilities. But he stopped short of immediately holding Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and state Controller John Chiang in contempt for failing to turn over the money.
Nigel - Regardless of pulling the credit report, you have clearly been on the wrong side of this. Not just with your initial cozing up to Casey, but with repeated forays into the mess.
You are judged by your actions and by the company you keep. If this ends badly for you, so be it. I can't imagine having your name attached to Casey has been beneficial for business. Nice to know the interweb tubes have a long memory. That won't be cleaned up any time soon.
That's pretty sad. First you want a political party to pander to race to get votes and then when one does you blame the other.
Alienate Hispanics? Border State governor who's blocked any meaningful immigration reform and speaks perfect Spanish as opposed to the East Coast pasty white Senator?
The Democratic Congress has half the Presidents' popularity.
Bush is not running.
On and on. This stuff is up there with Obama is a muslim crap.
MOM, I weep for your blog. Rob Dawg | Homepage | 10.06.08 - 10:24 pm | #
Why don't you share these views on Calculated Risk?
We know why you don't. You'd be laughed at. You'd lose what little credibility you have.
Let's take a look at your points.
"Alienate Hispanics? Border State governor who's blocked any meaningful immigration reform and speaks perfect Spanish as opposed to the East Coast pasty white Senator?"
I'll assume you're talking about Bush vs. Kerry?
Hey, I'll grant you that Bush has shown courage on the immigration issue. He's not the problem for the Republican party, and you know that. Tom Tancredo and his ilk are. Noticed how you ignored that.
Oh, and "pasty white" edifies your argument how?
"The Democratic Congress has half the Presidents' popularity."
Yes, the collective 535 has a low rating. But find me a single congress-critter that has a lower rating than 26%. Seriously, go find it. Even Ted Stevens is at 44% right now.
Seriously, Rob Dawg, what were you thinking when you made that "point"? Did you realize it was meaningless -- that the real comparison is apples to apples, one person to one person -- and you'd just slide it by? Or did you accept the talking point made by others -- Bush is low, but Congress is lower -- and think it was valid?
"Bush is not running."
Technically, no he is not. But do you mean to tell me that Bush is not a factor in this election? Seriously, Rob. Is this you with your thinking cap on?
Bill Clinton's problems impacted the 2000 election. How much is a debatable point, but I believe most reasonable people would acknowledge "Clinton fatigue" as a factor.
Wanna guess what Clinton's approval rating was in October 2000? Sixty one percent. Yup. Six. One.
You huff and puff over on Calculated Risk, you play the wise one, the seen it all guy.
And then you bring this weak crap.
You're blinded by your party ties and you religious views.
Oh, I know. I'm wrong. You're right. You'll set me straight.
But you're a friggin' joke, dude.
CR is top notch. You're 4th rate, and you don't even know it. Republican Death Throes | 10.06.08 - 10:47 pm | #
This was typed with one purpose and one purpose only; to cause deliberate personal harm. Vicious personal attacks don't harm the target but they certainly denigrate anyone standing in the vicinity of the attacker. Let's see; arrogance, anti-intellectual and intellectually weak, a party hack, zealot, delusions of superiority, laughable, 4th rate. Didn't miss many tricks there in a well reasoned appeal that we stick to the facts.
Strangely, Republican Death Throes doesn't post on CR or my blog. There's probably something to learn from that reticence.
MOM, you are right... ummm I mean correct. The children throwing snowballs from behind the bushes will melt in the spring. Rob Dawg | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 11:19 am | #
Fraudy, Welcome. Do you have something to say? The culture here at EN is a bit different than what you might be used to. My avatar is a fat walrus because of a really bad picture on patrick.net where a bunch of us stuck out our bellies so you could read the t-shirts. The "Dawg" part is courtesy of Homey Da Clown and it just stuck.
So, everyone will give you a little slack as you learn the ropes. One being hundreds of lines of crossposting is not going to get a comprehensive review. Perhaps you can put up a few salient points that are most important.
You've already called me most of the insults; arrogance, anti-intellectual and intellectually weak, a party hack, zealot, delusions of superiority, laughable, 4th rate. Glad to have that part out of the way. Now we can pay attention to your issues and not your shouting. One that intrigued me was the Bush/Kerry and Bush/Gore contests with respect to the Hispanic vote and the far larger Hispanic American culture. Fascinating stuff. Bush has been a proponent of all forms of immigration. Bush speaks perfect Spanish. On and on yet the Hispanic community overwhelmingly supports the Democrats. The voting portion not so much but still.
I fully acknowledge that I may be 4th rate as you assert. This is especially possible as you are also claiming I am clueless as to my being a 4th rate laughingstock. How can we find out? A vote?
"Bush has been a proponent of all forms of immigration. Bush speaks perfect Spanish. On and on yet the Hispanic community overwhelmingly supports the Democrats."
Why?
Again you ignore Tom Tancredo and his minions.
You can talk about Bush's language skills all you want, and I've acknowledged that GWB has taken a courageous position on immigration.
It's not about GWB; it's about a subset of the Republican Party that takes a very hard line on immigration. That's their right, but it has poisoned the Hispanic vote, just as Prop 187 did in California.
So, enough about GWB. Nobody is arguing that point.
And thanks for acknowledging that you're 4th rate.
It was that comment that I interpreted as anti-intellectual.
As to Tancredo and his minions; I wasn't able to reach out into the future and comment on his ilk before you brought them up now could I? You "were" talking about the current Presidential contest so it was only logical to reply in kind. Besides, I think Bush's immigration policy is perhaps the second or third worst of all possible policies.
Now that I know you want to talk about immigration...
Monday, March 27, 2006 An Administrative Solution "Freeze! Police! You're under arrest for bank robbery." "But officer, I'm merely making and undocumented withdrawl." [perplexed] "Well, um... you are under arrest for that weapon. Put down the knife and put up your hands." "But officer, this folding letter opener is necessary for self defense because I come from a poor neighborhood." "Okay, wiseass then you are under arrest for tresspassing." "You know better than to ask about my immigration status officer." "Damn, you are correct. Is that your car in the handicap spot then?" "Technically it isn't my car as I just borrowed it for an undocumented test drive but yes, I parked there." "Then I'm gonna write one huge ticket." "Unfortunately officer I have an undocumented disability..." posted by Rob Dawg @ 8:47 AM7 Astute Observations
The Moral Imperative It is profoundly immoral for the US to continue to tolerate the constant dimunition of the very best, brightest and most productive human capital our neighbors to the south can offer. By allowing these people to contribute their efforts to our quality of life we are condemning yet another generation in the lands they leave behind to lives of squallor and oppression. The only moral thing to do is to say no to these illegal activities and help prevent these people from making things worse in their homelands.
Allowing our neigbors to dump, excuse me, export, their social unrest institutionalizes their dysfunctional governance and economy. The only morally supportable course of action is stop out current exploitive worker policies and complicity in propping up corrupt international practices.
Our moral course is clear but there exist powerful undercurrents of racism that wish to allow the current situation to persist.
Got that? Not only is tacit support for the current illegal immigration situation a crime, it is immoral. Let the Cardinal excommunicate me.
"As to Tancredo and his minions; I wasn't able to reach out into the future and comment on his ilk before you brought them up now could I?"
Go back and read the posts in order. I brought it up in response to your first post.
Point 2
Your post from March 27, 2006 is reasonable. You make a good argument. Now, compare what you wrote then to:
"Alienate Hispanics? Border State governor who's blocked any meaningful immigration reform and speaks perfect Spanish as opposed to the East Coast pasty white Senator?"
Quite a difference in my mind. I'd mark you up to 2nd rate.
Point 3
You never addressed this:
Rob Dawg writes: "The Democratic Congress has half the Presidents' popularity."
Bad Man writes: "Yes, the collective 535 has a low rating. But find me a single congress-critter that has a lower rating than 26%. Seriously, go find it. Even Ted Stevens is at 44% right now."
Point 4
Rob Dawg writes: "Bush is not running."
Bad Man writes: "Technically, no he is not. But do you mean to tell me that Bush is not a factor in this election? Seriously, Rob. Is this you with your thinking cap on?
Bill Clinton's problems impacted the 2000 election. How much is a debatable point, but I believe most reasonable people would acknowledge "Clinton fatigue" as a factor.
Wanna guess what Clinton's approval rating was in October 2000? Sixty one percent. Yup. Six. One."
Point 5
"It was that comment that I interpreted as anti-intellectual."
Your post from March 27, 2006 is reasonable. You make a good argument. Now, compare what you wrote then to:
"Alienate Hispanics? Border State governor who's blocked any meaningful immigration reform and speaks perfect Spanish as opposed to the East Coast pasty white Senator?"
Same position. I think the conservarepugs or whatever label is en vogue these days are exploitive and shortsighted. Don't mistake that criticism with my desire for a rule of law immigration policy.
Quite a difference in my mind. I'd mark you up to 2nd rate.
Rob Dawg writes: "The Democratic Congress has half the Presidents' popularity."
Bad Man writes: "Yes, the collective 535 has a low rating. But find me a single congress-critter that has a lower rating than 26%. Seriously, go find it. Even Ted Stevens is at 44% right now."
Why should i "address" a reply that agrees with me? The Democratic Congress has half the Presidents' popularity.
Do you really want me to cherrypick a congressional district where Bush has oh I guess 80% approval?
Bad Man writes: "Technically, no he is not. But do you mean to tell me that Bush is not a factor in this election? Seriously, Rob. Is this you with your thinking cap on?
Bill Clinton's problems impacted the 2000 election. How much is a debatable point, but I believe most reasonable people would acknowledge "Clinton fatigue" as a factor.
Wanna guess what Clinton's approval rating was in October 2000? Sixty one percent. Yup. Six. One."
Clinton isn't running either. Besides, read it again. I say "Bush is not running." Again the reply is "Technically yes..."
> But do you mean to tell me that > Bush is not a factor in this > election?
This is an interesting point. I believe this is the first time a sitting president has been asked to excuse himself from the party convention. He addressed the party by video, but was absolutely kept from sharing a stage with McCain.
Also interesting is how many times McCain and Palin have referred to "the failed policies of this administration" - a phrase usually used by the opposition party. They're talking about their OWN party here.
Yes, they're trying to distance themselves from the albatross that is Bush, but it isn't just one man that brought about the current situation. His policies had the full backing of the party in 2004 when he stood for reelection. Interesting now that as the consequences are hitting, NOBODY in town knows him.
Bush is having a big impact on this election and, I believe for a good reason.
Akubi, [we need more three breasted wimmin in fishnets!]
Yeah. Unfortunately my vast collection of fishnets doesn’t include a single 3 boobed image. Where did you find that?
It's recycled from a few years back. So sue me.
Speaking of CR which was referenced somewhere above, where is Tanta? She’s been awfully quiet lately.
Yeah, I'm worried as well. We all wish her better health. There's also the possibility that the recent turmoil in the financial industry has made it impossible for her to share her knowledge. Ahhh steel toed bunny slippers in the halls of power. I'm in love...
Bush is having a big impact on this election and, I believe for a good reason.
Absolument mon ami.
It's also a watershed for the failure of neo-conservatism. I applaud both events.
Personally, a weak limping marginalized McCain/Palin administration would likely do less harm than an empowered Obama/Biden/Congress. Events will define the next admin not the other way round.
You included me when you threw the entire CHC group under the bus. If you have specific issues with people don't generalize. I would NEVER do that to you (no, I would not at all and you know it).
As for people disliking Rob, the key point is that some DISAGREE with Rob's approach to the Casey saga back in the day. Personally, I never had a problem with it. I don't know anybody that has ill will towards Dawg since he is an elder statesman in this drama. He's always been cool to me and this site is also very useful for getting and understanding economic info that isn't talked about anywhere else.
If I am wrong about them, specific examples would be appreciated. Until then, if the CHC people are so bad, you had no problem hanging there for months and months. If you hated it so much over there why not leave earlier?
Again, not hatin' on you just having a discussion. I won't harp on this anymore. Just a rebuttal to your earlier post.
"No. You complained I didn't address Tancredo. That was the first time he was mentioned."
First mention: "2. Alienate hispanics. It worked well in California. Tom Tancredo got it covered nationally. Check."
Your response: "Alienate Hispanics? Border State governor who's blocked any meaningful immigration reform and speaks perfect Spanish as opposed to the East Coast pasty white Senator?"
2nd mention: "I'll assume you're talking about Bush vs. Kerry?
Hey, I'll grant you that Bush has shown courage on the immigration issue. He's not the problem for the Republican party, and you know that. Tom Tancredo and his ilk are. Noticed how you ignored that."
Your response: "One that intrigued me was the Bush/Kerry and Bush/Gore contests with respect to the Hispanic vote and the far larger Hispanic American culture. Fascinating stuff. Bush has been a proponent of all forms of immigration. Bush speaks perfect Spanish. On and on yet the Hispanic community overwhelmingly supports the Democrats. The voting portion not so much but still."
3rd mention: "Again you ignore Tom Tancredo and his minions."
Your response: "As to Tancredo and his minions; I wasn't able to reach out into the future and comment on his ilk before you brought them up now could I?"
"Alienate Hispanics? Border State governor who's blocked any meaningful immigration reform and speaks perfect Spanish as opposed to the East Coast pasty white Senator?"
I'm not sure how I threw CHC under the bus. I simply said there are people over there that don't like Rob Dawg. Was that a secret? I didn't name anybody specific, but I'm sure if we go through the EN comment archives, certain handles will appear. I'm pretty sure yours is not one of them.
I'm not saying the CHC people are bad, I just don't belong there any more. I turned in my haterz card, but that doesn't mean I minted a new supporterz card. I just don't want to be involved any more on either side.
There are few people in this saga who involved themselves with Casey in real life. I happen to be one of them, so I have a different perspective.
Casey is uniquely impulsive and stubborn to the point most normal people can't relate to his shenanigans. An observer can look at a portion of the timeline and conclude he's being picked on or misunderstood, but when the total timeline is understood, the birth of a hater begins.
The bottom line for me is it's a waste of time. Casey's had multiple opportunities from multiple sources and has managed to fail at each one. He has few options left and I for one am not interested in watching him slip into homelessness.
> Personally, a weak limping marginalized > McCain/Palin administration would likely > do less harm than an empowered Obama/Biden/Congress.
Have to STRONGLY disagree with that one... mostly because I agree with the next point:
> Events will define the next admin not > the other way round.
Yes. The current situation we're in will define the next administration. There is no way around it, we're headed for the rocks, the next pres can't ignore that, they will have to try to avoid a collision.
That is precisely why I disagree that a marginalized McCain/Palin ticket will do less harm. ANY marginalized pres would be in trouble, we need the next pres to take decisive action. McCain wouldn't be a problem during good times, he could let things go the course.
Bush and Congress (BOTH parties) are flailing right now, we need someone to take the controls and LEAD!
As a side note: I'm quite scared of Palin actually, McCain isn't young and while he appears in excellent health, that is not guaranteed (he did severely restrict access to his med records). She is worse than Bush for the "I'm right, I'm doing what I want and don't question me" attitude. She's lead alright, but it would be right off a cliff.
Prop Flop, This country does best when the Federal level is politically gridlocked. The very best period of our lives reading here was a Rep Congress and Clinton. When Bush and the Congress started cooperating everything went to hell.
I'll take baby steps and stumbling over rushing headlong over the abyss any day.
@Property Flopper I'm quite scared of Palin actually, McCain isn't young and while he appears in excellent health, that is not guaranteed (he did severely restrict access to his med records). She is worse than Bush for the "I'm right, I'm doing what I want and don't question me" attitude. She's lead alright, but it would be right off a cliff.
I completely agree. She is Bush in a skirt and high heels.
I think both tickets are disqualified for different reasons. I think Obongo bin Biden is at least as dangerous as Juan McSame but for differnt reasons.
The kicker is that Obongo is essentially "buying in at the bottom of the market." When the economy turns around -- as it eventually must -- he'll get the credit whether he deserves it or not. Juan McSame has the bad luck of being tarred with Dubya's brush; he's the equivalent of the bad investor who bought in at the top of the market and has to ride the plane all the way into the ground.
Bush would not have been able to screw the country up as badly as he did, if the Democrats had controlled Congress.
Reagan on the other hand would not have been able to push his tax reforms through if he did not have effective control of Congress through the Boll Weavil Democrats.
McCain's campaign has basically been "I am delusional and erratic, but I was tortured, so vote for me".
If he is president, Congress will be running the show. They will just have to load up extra pork to get a couple of votes from Alaska and other pork driven states. The other thing that will happen with a McCain presidency is the buck will not stop anywhere. The Republicans will follow Palin not McCain. The Democrats will be forced by their voters to take action. So Pelosi will be trying to run things while blaming McCain.
Rob - Clinton is a perfect example of "when things are good". He didn't need to do much, not much required.
Clinton would not be a good person to have coming in to the next term though - just sitting back and letting things go is fine when you're headed in a good direction. I think we need someone to take a strong position and lead.
Not saying Obama won't lead us off a cliff... I don't think he will, but sitting tight and NOT acting will be as dangerous as bad actions.
I think we're in for a bad time the next few years regardless of what happens. How bad things get and how soon things get better are what we're determining here.
Under McCain, things would get bad, but would eventually recover. Under Palin, it would get REALLY bad... and eventually recover, but years (possibly a decade) later.
I think Obama has the best chance of getting us through it with the least pain. I think he'll be a one term pres (if elected) because things won't improve fast enough and he'll get bumped. But I do think he's the least painful choice.
All opinions obviously - We have no way to verify any of this short of electing someone and finding out what they do. Ya never can know what would have happened with the other choice.
Anyone think Kerry or Gore would have put us in a worse place than Bush?
One point in Juan McSame's favor is that voters tend to prefer a divided government. With Dems in control of Congress (such as it is) it might be a hedge play to keep a Rep in the executive position. It is sad and telling, though, that Americans have to protect themselves by setting the arms of their government against each other. But I think it's the better play.
Bush would not have been able to screw the country up as badly as he did, if the Democrats had controlled Congress.
They will just have to load up extra pork to get a couple of votes from Alaska and other pork driven states... The Democrats will be forced by their voters to take action.
Yeah, caused the Dems just executed such sound judgement and listened to their voters in the most important fiscal measure ever put before them. But what can we expect when the leader of this debacle in the House is from the most fiscally unsound state in the union?
DOW down 500 points today, one more day of this and we drop below 9000. I'm thinking that's likely before the end of the week.
We might hit the brick wall BEFORE we can put in a new president. Bush may not be the first president, certainly not the best... but he can be the last.
Where does the richest nation in the world go to declare bankruptcy?
I am not saying they are going to make good decisions. In fact with McCain in the Presidency, they won't care because they can blame him. But they will have the Senate by more than just Leiberman and the voters are angry. They will be taking action and they would be blaming McCain because its not their fault.
Zin, Yeah, my 4th rate intellect compells me to stick to that. When we get to 8800 I really don't see it going lower. Lots of dollars sloshing around looking for assets and dumsums like me with MMFs that were waiting for 8800.
You threw CHC under the bus because when Rob called you out on pulling his credit report and being behind RCS, you denied it by saying people at CHC don't like him. You are clearly implying someone over there is behind it. That's bullshit and you know it. If you have knowledge of someone over there that goes through the trouble of making websites designed to harass prominent Haterz, then spill. You owe it to Rob. If not, stop being such a little bitch and trying to continue your smear campaign that you began at DHC.
You are clearly implying someone over there is behind it.
Not at all. I was saying Rob shouldn't have jumped to the conclusion it was me. He has no proof his credit was pulled, if he did the culprit could be easily incriminated.
Nigel knows who was behind RCS. I still hold out the hope that he'll eventually do the right thing. I also know that that kind of inner strength cannot be forced but needs to grow honestly from within. That's why I declined to hand over any information to his employer in the sales marketing program he was working with.
That's why I declined to hand over any information to his employer in the sales marketing program he was working with.
Dawg,
If that's the company I'm thinking of, it was way in the past. So bring it. You don't have to do it here, I'll address your concerns honestly by private email.
Regardless, if your allegations towards your kin are serious, you would have pursued legal/police options long ago. You haven't. You're full of hyperbole and you know it. Let me define hyperbole for you since I know you scientific types don't understand literary terms. It's exaggeration to make a point. Some would call it b.s. or manure.
Seriously Dawg, if I ever felt a credible threat about a family member and had any inkling who was responsible, the Police would soon be knocking on my suspect's door.
That has never happened to me and I know why. I didn't do it.
83 comments:
Two firsts in one day? Must be because there were two posts in one day.
Firsts here are easy these days. Long gone are the times when people were using their credit check access to advocate the rape of underage children. You remember.
Rob - the credit thing is a lie and you know it. Any inquiry shows up on your report and then you'd have the proof you need to purport this "theory."
I know I didn't pull your credit and you know it too. So knock it off. There's a whole cabal of people at CHC that don't think very much of you, so I was hardly your only enemy. Give it a rest.
Nigel, I got an inquiry from your old marketing effort project asking about your use of unauthorized credit inquiries from their URL. You might take it up with them.
As a non-californian, I would feel a whole lot better about California asking for 7 billion from the treasury if they would execute 7 billion in spending cuts for the next fiscal year to pay the rest of us (actual taxpayers, not "citizens") back. I'm just pissing into the wind, because I have a strong feeling in the next couple of years, many other states will be asking the fed gov for help, and with an all too compliant Dem leadership to fork it over.
Rob,
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm happy to discuss this off blog through email. Please forward that correspondence to me.
I assure you, I have never pulled credit on anybody without their permission and I have never pulled credit without a SSN. I don't know yours.
FWIW, back in the day I received odd emails from financial institutions online forms that were clearly haterz generated. Perhaps this correspondence came from them?
Regardless, if I did pull your credit (which I didn't), it would show as an inquiry on your credit report through Factual Data-IFF. If it's not there, I didn't pull it, regardless of any emails you received.
Brock,
California did it with their counties and municipalities. Why not go up the chain and try the flip side of the same coin?
What i cannot believe is the big push for the $45b high speed rail. What is wrong with these people?
Knock Out: CNBC Confirms Lehman CEO Punched at Gym
Network verifies reports Richard Fuld was attacked for financial institution's bankruptcy.
While former Lehman CEO Richard Fuld was testifying before the House Oversight Committee Oct. 6, CNBC reported he had been punched in the face at the Lehman Brothers gym after it was announced the firm was going bankrupt.
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So which way do you go for a Polish blow job with that vixen?
Port or Starboard.... ;>)
Dawg - I hear you. I would love to see munis and cities be tighter with their books which would help everyone up the chain. Instead, papers report cities threaten school and police/fire cuts first to scare voters. No one wants to make the spending cuts in frivolous govt shit. I think this ties into the much bigger idea that a lot of people want to just blame wall st instead of look in the mirror and yell at that person for their small part in the whole ordeal.
Just wait for Massachusetts to pass the referendum on ending the income tax and politicians set it "aside". I'll have my popcorn ready for that.
I would be all for a high speed rail if it were by a private firm. No unions, and it would only be done if it could run a profit.
I was all set to never post on 'True'Casy ever again. Well, at least up until Nigel advocated a boycott, that is.
Now, I think I might just post a paragraph per day on a chosen topic, and respond to five to seven of the best posts, as well.
In case there was any doubt, Nigel is in cahoots with the Mursed One, yet again.
Nigel: you lay down with farm raised carnitas, you get up with salsa.
Nice casual throwing of CH.C under the bus there, Nigel. You've learned well from murseboi.
When with DHC start up with outing Haterz again?
H Simpson said...
So which way do you go for a Polish blow job with that vixen?
Go down the left loop back up the right and enjoy the double tongue action. What problem? Whatever. Works for me. ;-)
My last post on TrueCasey ended with something along the lines of: YOU ARE PATHETIC.
Given the current financial tsunami we're dealing with and the role he played in it, I do not find his antics remotely entertaining any longer.
I will continue to hate Casey, but this shit is so f-ing juvenile:
Nigel:
There's a whole cabal of people at CHC that don't think very much of you, so I was hardly your only enemy…
Hey Nigel,
Oooh no! Who gives a rat’s ass if that’s the case?
@Mandelbrot said...
Nice casual throwing of CH.C under the bus there, Nigel. You've learned well from murseboi.
Huh? It seems CHC does quite well throwing themselves under the bus without interference from anyone.
The world is going to hell in a handbasket, but let's just pretend Casey’s antics are remotely relevant other than wanting to send him to prison where the shithead belongs
"There's a whole cabal of people at CHC that don't think very much of you,"
I don't get this. What did Rob ever do to piss anyone off?
Reputational Repug REfi Hits!
Cat fight! I mean Dawg fight!
In my current state, I'd like to know more about the MILF with three breasticles.
I am with akubi lab dog. When I need to escape the world of criminal fraud on a grand scale, I seek out total delusion and fantasy, and I go see Snowflake. Do you really want a boicott him now? He has finished his e-book. At least give him that accomplishment. He is a good reason to stay in school.
I like Rob and Nigel is 100% wrong in generalizing that I don't.
Funniest yet, there aren't many people in this saga I dislike the way I do murseboi.
The wheels of the bus go round and round, round and round.
This is silly.
Lost Cause,
Shove it up your ASS.com ;).
VPILF will have to wait for another day.
This is all insane.
Oh EN, the old Hater breeding grounds. It's degraded to such a state where you have several different "factionz" of hatertards sniping at each other.
Perhaps I can broker a ceasefire to this Civil War?
You Haterz were shocked, shocked that Casey actually put out his book on the day he said he would.
Casey 1, Haterz 0
THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTE
Please, ingore the troll. Thank you.
THIS HAS BEEN A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
BTW, I find the top picture deeply disturbing...
Factions of haterz fighting each other. I think that started when Caey recruited his third hater. Casey is not nearly enough to keep the haterz entertained. Family sqabbles are a significant part of the story.
And the trolls that popup on a fairly regular basis add a minor amount of interest as well. Unfortunately they are usually too stupid to be entertaining for very long.
What's the deal. She has three breasts but you would think at least two of them would be the same size! Nature is mysterious.
I like Rob and Nigel is 100% wrong in generalizing that I don't.
I didn't say anything about you Dolph. I was simply making the point that Rob had other people that didn't like him besides me and for him to automatically blame me was flawed. You have to admit there are people at CHC that don't like him. I didn't say everybody there doesn't like him, just that a group there doesn't.
Judge: Calif. must pay $8B for prison health care
SAN FRANCISCO - A federal judge has scolded California officials for failing to provide the billions of dollars a court-appointed receiver says is needed to upgrade the state's prison health care system. U.S. District Judge Thelton Henderson made it clear Monday he expects California to pay $8 billion for seven new inmate medical facilities. But he stopped short of immediately holding Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and state Controller John Chiang in contempt for failing to turn over the money.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_re_us/california_prisons
Hi,
I've opened a new Deflation Watch blog that may be of interest to your readers.
http://deflationwatch.blogspot.com/
Keep up the good work!
Carry On
Nigel,
That's all news to me.
Nigel - Regardless of pulling the credit report, you have clearly been on the wrong side of this. Not just with your initial cozing up to Casey, but with repeated forays into the mess.
You are judged by your actions and by the company you keep. If this ends badly for you, so be it. I can't imagine having your name attached to Casey has been beneficial for business. Nice to know the interweb tubes have a long memory. That won't be cleaned up any time soon.
Dear H Simpson,
Please pardon my ignorance (or innocence) but what precisely is a Polish blow job? I even checked Urban Dictionary, to no avail.
NR
Rob Dawg writes on MaxedOutMama's blog:
"Strangely, Republican Death Throes doesn't post on CR or my blog. There's probably something to learn from that reticence."
Yeah, he's a coward.
He's afraid of the big, bad pasty white guy in Ventura who calls himself Dawg 'cause he's one mean motherdawg.
It takes a special kind of courage to post to a blog.
Especially to a blog with a picture of a three breasted woman.
So, he's to you, Dawg!
Let the posting begin!
More ideas from the Republican Party.
1. Alienate blacks. Check
2. Alienate hispanics. It worked well in California. Tom Tancredo got it covered nationally. Check.
3. Hand out more tax breaks for the top 1%. Yeah, that will drive the rest of the middle class away. Check.
4. Spend, spend, spend and kill the idea that Republicans are for small government. Check.
5. Run the government in as incompetently as possible so no one trusts us: black or white, rich or poor, liberal or conservative. Check.
6. Use abortion as a wedge issue but never really try to outlaw abortion. Having it legal is great for fund raising. Check.
The Party of Great Ideas: Your 2008 Republicans!
Republican Death Throes | 10.06.08 - 9:38 pm | #
That's pretty sad. First you want a political party to pander to race to get votes and then when one does you blame the other.
Alienate Hispanics? Border State governor who's blocked any meaningful immigration reform and speaks perfect Spanish as opposed to the East Coast pasty white Senator?
The Democratic Congress has half the Presidents' popularity.
Bush is not running.
On and on. This stuff is up there with Obama is a muslim crap.
MOM, I weep for your blog.
Rob Dawg | Homepage | 10.06.08 - 10:24 pm | #
Rob Dawg,
Why don't you share these views on Calculated Risk?
We know why you don't. You'd be laughed at. You'd lose what little credibility you have.
Let's take a look at your points.
"Alienate Hispanics? Border State governor who's blocked any meaningful immigration reform and speaks perfect Spanish as opposed to the East Coast pasty white Senator?"
I'll assume you're talking about Bush vs. Kerry?
Hey, I'll grant you that Bush has shown courage on the immigration issue. He's not the problem for the Republican party, and you know that. Tom Tancredo and his ilk are. Noticed how you ignored that.
Oh, and "pasty white" edifies your argument how?
"The Democratic Congress has half the Presidents' popularity."
Yes, the collective 535 has a low rating. But find me a single congress-critter that has a lower rating than 26%. Seriously, go find it. Even Ted Stevens is at 44% right now.
Seriously, Rob Dawg, what were you thinking when you made that "point"? Did you realize it was meaningless -- that the real comparison is apples to apples, one person to one person -- and you'd just slide it by? Or did you accept the talking point made by others -- Bush is low, but Congress is lower -- and think it was valid?
"Bush is not running."
Technically, no he is not. But do you mean to tell me that Bush is not a factor in this election? Seriously, Rob. Is this you with your thinking cap on?
Bill Clinton's problems impacted the 2000 election. How much is a debatable point, but I believe most reasonable people would acknowledge "Clinton fatigue" as a factor.
Wanna guess what Clinton's approval rating was in October 2000? Sixty one percent. Yup. Six. One.
You huff and puff over on Calculated Risk, you play the wise one, the seen it all guy.
And then you bring this weak crap.
You're blinded by your party ties and you religious views.
Oh, I know. I'm wrong. You're right. You'll set me straight.
But you're a friggin' joke, dude.
CR is top notch. You're 4th rate, and you don't even know it.
Republican Death Throes | 10.06.08 - 10:47 pm | #
This was typed with one purpose and one purpose only; to cause deliberate personal harm. Vicious personal attacks don't harm the target but they certainly denigrate anyone standing in the vicinity of the attacker. Let's see; arrogance, anti-intellectual and intellectually weak, a party hack, zealot, delusions of superiority, laughable, 4th rate. Didn't miss many tricks there in a well reasoned appeal that we stick to the facts.
Strangely, Republican Death Throes doesn't post on CR or my blog. There's probably something to learn from that reticence.
MOM, you are right... ummm I mean correct. The children throwing snowballs from behind the bushes will melt in the spring.
Rob Dawg | Homepage | 10.07.08 - 11:19 am | #
"Vicious personal attacks"
Drama Queen.
Fraudy,
Welcome. Do you have something to say? The culture here at EN is a bit different than what you might be used to. My avatar is a fat walrus because of a really bad picture on patrick.net where a bunch of us stuck out our bellies so you could read the t-shirts. The "Dawg" part is courtesy of Homey Da Clown and it just stuck.
So, everyone will give you a little slack as you learn the ropes. One being hundreds of lines of crossposting is not going to get a comprehensive review. Perhaps you can put up a few salient points that are most important.
You've already called me most of the insults; arrogance, anti-intellectual and intellectually weak, a party hack, zealot, delusions of superiority, laughable, 4th rate. Glad to have that part out of the way. Now we can pay attention to your issues and not your shouting. One that intrigued me was the Bush/Kerry and Bush/Gore contests with respect to the Hispanic vote and the far larger Hispanic American culture. Fascinating stuff. Bush has been a proponent of all forms of immigration. Bush speaks perfect Spanish. On and on yet the Hispanic community overwhelmingly supports the Democrats. The voting portion not so much but still.
I fully acknowledge that I may be 4th rate as you assert. This is especially possible as you are also claiming I am clueless as to my being a 4th rate laughingstock. How can we find out? A vote?
"Bush has been a proponent of all forms of immigration. Bush speaks perfect Spanish. On and on yet the Hispanic community overwhelmingly supports the Democrats."
Why?
Again you ignore Tom Tancredo and his minions.
You can talk about Bush's language skills all you want, and I've acknowledged that GWB has taken a courageous position on immigration.
It's not about GWB; it's about a subset of the Republican Party that takes a very hard line on immigration. That's their right, but it has poisoned the Hispanic vote, just as Prop 187 did in California.
So, enough about GWB. Nobody is arguing that point.
And thanks for acknowledging that you're 4th rate.
By the way, I didn't call you anti-intellectual.
That would be a vicious personal attack.
And it would be wrong.
Perhaps it has to do with the 3 breasted woman, but this is one of the most randomly funny/bizarre threads I've seen on EN in quite some time.
... you play the wise one, the seen it all guy.
It was that comment that I interpreted as anti-intellectual.
As to Tancredo and his minions; I wasn't able to reach out into the future and comment on his ilk before you brought them up now could I? You "were" talking about the current Presidential contest so it was only logical to reply in kind. Besides, I think Bush's immigration policy is perhaps the second or third worst of all possible policies.
Now that I know you want to talk about immigration...
Monday, March 27, 2006
An Administrative Solution
"Freeze! Police! You're under arrest for bank robbery."
"But officer, I'm merely making and undocumented withdrawl."
[perplexed] "Well, um... you are under arrest for that weapon. Put down the knife and put up your hands."
"But officer, this folding letter opener is necessary for self defense because I come from a poor neighborhood."
"Okay, wiseass then you are under arrest for tresspassing."
"You know better than to ask about my immigration status officer."
"Damn, you are correct. Is that your car in the handicap spot then?"
"Technically it isn't my car as I just borrowed it for an undocumented test drive but yes, I parked there."
"Then I'm gonna write one huge ticket."
"Unfortunately officer I have an undocumented disability..."
posted by Rob Dawg @ 8:47 AM7 Astute Observations
The Moral Imperative
It is profoundly immoral for the US to continue to tolerate the constant dimunition of the very best, brightest and most productive human capital our neighbors to the south can offer. By allowing these people to contribute their efforts to our quality of life we are condemning yet another generation in the lands they leave behind to lives of squallor and oppression. The only moral thing to do is to say no to these illegal activities and help prevent these people from making things worse in their homelands.
Allowing our neigbors to dump, excuse me, export, their social unrest institutionalizes their dysfunctional governance and economy. The only morally supportable course of action is stop out current exploitive worker policies and complicity in propping up corrupt international practices.
Our moral course is clear but there exist powerful undercurrents of racism that wish to allow the current situation to persist.
Got that? Not only is tacit support for the current illegal immigration situation a crime, it is immoral. Let the Cardinal excommunicate me.
http://volokh.com/posts/1142130901.shtml
http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2005/12/new_at_reason_922.shtml
http://housingbubblecasualty.com/?p=29
----
I think those two posts from two and a half years ago might be germane to your discomfort with my positions.
Akubi, we need more three breasted wimmin in fishnets!
Point 1
"As to Tancredo and his minions; I wasn't able to reach out into the future and comment on his ilk before you brought them up now could I?"
Go back and read the posts in order. I brought it up in response to your first post.
Point 2
Your post from March 27, 2006 is reasonable. You make a good argument. Now, compare what you wrote then to:
"Alienate Hispanics? Border State governor who's blocked any meaningful immigration reform and speaks perfect Spanish as opposed to the East Coast pasty white Senator?"
Quite a difference in my mind. I'd mark you up to 2nd rate.
Point 3
You never addressed this:
Rob Dawg writes: "The Democratic Congress has half the Presidents' popularity."
Bad Man writes: "Yes, the collective 535 has a low rating. But find me a single congress-critter that has a lower rating than 26%. Seriously, go find it. Even Ted Stevens is at 44% right now."
Point 4
Rob Dawg writes: "Bush is not running."
Bad Man writes: "Technically, no he is not. But do you mean to tell me that Bush is not a factor in this election? Seriously, Rob. Is this you with your thinking cap on?
Bill Clinton's problems impacted the 2000 election. How much is a debatable point, but I believe most reasonable people would acknowledge "Clinton fatigue" as a factor.
Wanna guess what Clinton's approval rating was in October 2000? Sixty one percent. Yup. Six. One."
Point 5
"It was that comment that I interpreted as anti-intellectual."
Sarcasm, Dawg, I was pulling your chain.
Go back and read the posts in order. I brought it up in response to your first post.
No. You complained I didn't address Tancredo. That was the first time he was mentioned.
Point 2
Your post from March 27, 2006 is reasonable. You make a good argument. Now, compare what you wrote then to:
"Alienate Hispanics? Border State governor who's blocked any meaningful immigration reform and speaks perfect Spanish as opposed to the East Coast pasty white Senator?"
Same position. I think the conservarepugs or whatever label is en vogue these days are exploitive and shortsighted. Don't mistake that criticism with my desire for a rule of law immigration policy.
Quite a difference in my mind. I'd mark you up to 2nd rate.
Ohhhhh thankyou thasnkyou.
Akubi, we need more three breasted wimmin in fishnets!
Yeah. Unfortunately my vast collection of fishnets doesn’t include a single 3 boobed image. Where did you find that?
Speaking of CR which was referenced somewhere above, where is Tanta? She’s been awfully quiet lately.
Point 3
You never addressed this:
Rob Dawg writes: "The Democratic Congress has half the Presidents' popularity."
Bad Man writes: "Yes, the collective 535 has a low rating. But find me a single congress-critter that has a lower rating than 26%. Seriously, go find it. Even Ted Stevens is at 44% right now."
Why should i "address" a reply that agrees with me? The Democratic Congress has half the Presidents' popularity.
Do you really want me to cherrypick a congressional district where Bush has oh I guess 80% approval?
Point 4
Rob Dawg writes: "Bush is not running."
Bad Man writes: "Technically, no he is not. But do you mean to tell me that Bush is not a factor in this election? Seriously, Rob. Is this you with your thinking cap on?
Bill Clinton's problems impacted the 2000 election. How much is a debatable point, but I believe most reasonable people would acknowledge "Clinton fatigue" as a factor.
Wanna guess what Clinton's approval rating was in October 2000? Sixty one percent. Yup. Six. One."
Clinton isn't running either. Besides, read it again. I say "Bush is not running." Again the reply is "Technically yes..."
What part of yes are you missing?
Point 5
"It was that comment that I interpreted as anti-intellectual."
Sarcasm, Dawg, I was pulling your chain.
Aye there's the rub. Poorly executed sarcasm is often seen as clumsy insult. Leave it up to the experts.
> But do you mean to tell me that
> Bush is not a factor in this
> election?
This is an interesting point. I believe this is the first time a sitting president has been asked to excuse himself from the party convention. He addressed the party by video, but was absolutely kept from sharing a stage with McCain.
Also interesting is how many times McCain and Palin have referred to "the failed policies of this administration" - a phrase usually used by the opposition party. They're talking about their OWN party here.
Yes, they're trying to distance themselves from the albatross that is Bush, but it isn't just one man that brought about the current situation. His policies had the full backing of the party in 2004 when he stood for reelection. Interesting now that as the consequences are hitting, NOBODY in town knows him.
Bush is having a big impact on this election and, I believe for a good reason.
Akubi,
[we need more three breasted wimmin in fishnets!]
Yeah. Unfortunately my vast collection of fishnets doesn’t include a single 3 boobed image. Where did you find that?
It's recycled from a few years back. So sue me.
Speaking of CR which was referenced somewhere above, where is Tanta? She’s been awfully quiet lately.
Yeah, I'm worried as well. We all wish her better health. There's also the possibility that the recent turmoil in the financial industry has made it impossible for her to share her knowledge. Ahhh steel toed bunny slippers in the halls of power. I'm in love...
Bush is having a big impact on this election and, I believe for a good reason.
Absolument mon ami.
It's also a watershed for the failure of neo-conservatism. I applaud both events.
Personally, a weak limping marginalized McCain/Palin administration would likely do less harm than an empowered Obama/Biden/Congress. Events will define the next admin not the other way round.
Nigel,
You included me when you threw the entire CHC group under the bus. If you have specific issues with people don't generalize. I would NEVER do that to you (no, I would not at all and you know it).
As for people disliking Rob, the key point is that some DISAGREE with Rob's approach to the Casey saga back in the day. Personally, I never had a problem with it. I don't know anybody that has ill will towards Dawg since he is an elder statesman in this drama. He's always been cool to me and this site is also very useful for getting and understanding economic info that isn't talked about anywhere else.
If I am wrong about them, specific examples would be appreciated. Until then, if the CHC people are so bad, you had no problem hanging there for months and months. If you hated it so much over there why not leave earlier?
Again, not hatin' on you just having a discussion. I won't harp on this anymore. Just a rebuttal to your earlier post.
"No. You complained I didn't address Tancredo. That was the first time he was mentioned."
First mention: "2. Alienate hispanics. It worked well in California. Tom Tancredo got it covered nationally. Check."
Your response: "Alienate Hispanics? Border State governor who's blocked any meaningful immigration reform and speaks perfect Spanish as opposed to the East Coast pasty white Senator?"
2nd mention: "I'll assume you're talking about Bush vs. Kerry?
Hey, I'll grant you that Bush has shown courage on the immigration issue. He's not the problem for the Republican party, and you know that. Tom Tancredo and his ilk are. Noticed how you ignored that."
Your response: "One that intrigued me was the Bush/Kerry and Bush/Gore contests with respect to the Hispanic vote and the far larger Hispanic American culture. Fascinating stuff. Bush has been a proponent of all forms of immigration. Bush speaks perfect Spanish. On and on yet the Hispanic community overwhelmingly supports the Democrats. The voting portion not so much but still."
3rd mention: "Again you ignore Tom Tancredo and his minions."
Your response: "As to Tancredo and his minions; I wasn't able to reach out into the future and comment on his ilk before you brought them up now could I?"
4th rate, dude, 4th rate.
Point 2
You win. What was I thinking?
"Alienate Hispanics? Border State governor who's blocked any meaningful immigration reform and speaks perfect Spanish as opposed to the East Coast pasty white Senator?"
That's a great point.
Point 3
Dang, you win again.
That talking point "Congress has a lower rating than the president" IS solid! It works. Just repeat it.
Dolph,
I'm not sure how I threw CHC under the bus. I simply said there are people over there that don't like Rob Dawg. Was that a secret? I didn't name anybody specific, but I'm sure if we go through the EN comment archives, certain handles will appear. I'm pretty sure yours is not one of them.
I'm not saying the CHC people are bad, I just don't belong there any more. I turned in my haterz card, but that doesn't mean I minted a new supporterz card. I just don't want to be involved any more on either side.
There are few people in this saga who involved themselves with Casey in real life. I happen to be one of them, so I have a different perspective.
Casey is uniquely impulsive and stubborn to the point most normal people can't relate to his shenanigans. An observer can look at a portion of the timeline and conclude he's being picked on or misunderstood, but when the total timeline is understood, the birth of a hater begins.
The bottom line for me is it's a waste of time. Casey's had multiple opportunities from multiple sources and has managed to fail at each one. He has few options left and I for one am not interested in watching him slip into homelessness.
Point 4
"Clinton isn't running either. Besides, read it again. I say "Bush is not running." Again the reply is "Technically yes..."
What part of yes are you missing?"
You're schooling me. Stop your vicious attacks!
Your point is unassailable. Bush IS NOT running. It is a fact.
For me to argue that Bush's 25% favorability rating is a factor in this election is wrong. Because . . . Bush is not running.
Voters will in no way associate distaste for GWB, a Republican, with John McCain, a Republican.
Because . . . George Bush is not running.
You win.
> Personally, a weak limping marginalized
> McCain/Palin administration would likely
> do less harm than an empowered Obama/Biden/Congress.
Have to STRONGLY disagree with that one... mostly because I agree with the next point:
> Events will define the next admin not
> the other way round.
Yes. The current situation we're in will define the next administration. There is no way around it, we're headed for the rocks, the next pres can't ignore that, they will have to try to avoid a collision.
That is precisely why I disagree that a marginalized McCain/Palin ticket will do less harm. ANY marginalized pres would be in trouble, we need the next pres to take decisive action. McCain wouldn't be a problem during good times, he could let things go the course.
Bush and Congress (BOTH parties) are flailing right now, we need someone to take the controls and LEAD!
As a side note: I'm quite scared of Palin actually, McCain isn't young and while he appears in excellent health, that is not guaranteed (he did severely restrict access to his med records). She is worse than Bush for the "I'm right, I'm doing what I want and don't question me" attitude. She's lead alright, but it would be right off a cliff.
Prop Flop,
This country does best when the Federal level is politically gridlocked. The very best period of our lives reading here was a Rep Congress and Clinton. When Bush and the Congress started cooperating everything went to hell.
I'll take baby steps and stumbling over rushing headlong over the abyss any day.
@Property Flopper
I'm quite scared of Palin actually, McCain isn't young and while he appears in excellent health, that is not guaranteed (he did severely restrict access to his med records). She is worse than Bush for the "I'm right, I'm doing what I want and don't question me" attitude. She's lead alright, but it would be right off a cliff.
I completely agree. She is Bush in a skirt and high heels.
Worth reading: Why My Former Hero Shouldn’t Be President
I think both tickets are disqualified for different reasons. I think Obongo bin Biden is at least as dangerous as Juan McSame but for differnt reasons.
The kicker is that Obongo is essentially "buying in at the bottom of the market." When the economy turns around -- as it eventually must -- he'll get the credit whether he deserves it or not. Juan McSame has the bad luck of being tarred with Dubya's brush; he's the equivalent of the bad investor who bought in at the top of the market and has to ride the plane all the way into the ground.
Bush would not have been able to screw the country up as badly as he did, if the Democrats had controlled Congress.
Reagan on the other hand would not have been able to push his tax reforms through if he did not have effective control of Congress through the Boll Weavil Democrats.
McCain's campaign has basically been "I am delusional and erratic, but I was tortured, so vote for me".
If he is president, Congress will be running the show. They will just have to load up extra pork to get a couple of votes from Alaska and other pork driven states. The other thing that will happen with a McCain presidency is the buck will not stop anywhere. The Republicans will follow Palin not McCain. The Democrats will be forced by their voters to take action. So Pelosi will be trying to run things while blaming McCain.
Rob - Clinton is a perfect example of "when things are good". He didn't need to do much, not much required.
Clinton would not be a good person to have coming in to the next term though - just sitting back and letting things go is fine when you're headed in a good direction. I think we need someone to take a strong position and lead.
Not saying Obama won't lead us off a cliff... I don't think he will, but sitting tight and NOT acting will be as dangerous as bad actions.
I think we're in for a bad time the next few years regardless of what happens. How bad things get and how soon things get better are what we're determining here.
Under McCain, things would get bad, but would eventually recover. Under Palin, it would get REALLY bad... and eventually recover, but years (possibly a decade) later.
I think Obama has the best chance of getting us through it with the least pain. I think he'll be a one term pres (if elected) because things won't improve fast enough and he'll get bumped. But I do think he's the least painful choice.
All opinions obviously - We have no way to verify any of this short of electing someone and finding out what they do. Ya never can know what would have happened with the other choice.
Anyone think Kerry or Gore would have put us in a worse place than Bush?
Akubi -
> She is Bush in a skirt and high heels.
That is such a disturbing mental image. Accurate, but REALLY disturbing.
@ Nigel - "He has few options left and I for one am not interested in watching him slip into homelessness."
Says the guy who took pictures of Casey as he threw him out of his house, leaving him "homeless".
One point in Juan McSame's favor is that voters tend to prefer a divided government. With Dems in control of Congress (such as it is) it might be a hedge play to keep a Rep in the executive position. It is sad and telling, though, that Americans have to protect themselves by setting the arms of their government against each other. But I think it's the better play.
Bush would not have been able to screw the country up as badly as he did, if the Democrats had controlled Congress.
They will just have to load up extra pork to get a couple of votes from Alaska and other pork driven states...
The Democrats will be forced by their voters to take action.
Yeah, caused the Dems just executed such sound judgement and listened to their voters in the most important fiscal measure ever put before them. But what can we expect when the leader of this debacle in the House is from the most fiscally unsound state in the union?
On the bright side:
DOW down 500 points today, one more day of this and we drop below 9000. I'm thinking that's likely before the end of the week.
We might hit the brick wall BEFORE we can put in a new president. Bush may not be the first president, certainly not the best... but he can be the last.
Where does the richest nation in the world go to declare bankruptcy?
I am not saying they are going to make good decisions. In fact with McCain in the Presidency, they won't care because they can blame him. But they will have the Senate by more than just Leiberman and the voters are angry. They will be taking action and they would be blaming McCain because its not their fault.
Hey, if you want a good laugh, check out this "analysis" of Sarah Palin:
http://tinyurl.com/4hpkzh
It's from one of Rob Dawg's go-to blogs, MaxedOutMama.
She and Rob get jiggy about Jesus-loving Republicans for Palin among other trenchant topics.
@Property flopper
yeah not much further to go before we hit Dawgs 8800 number.
The key political question of the day is this: which candidate speaks fluent Spanish?
Zin,
Yeah, my 4th rate intellect compells me to stick to that. When we get to 8800 I really don't see it going lower. Lots of dollars sloshing around looking for assets and dumsums like me with MMFs that were waiting for 8800.
Nigel,
You threw CHC under the bus because when Rob called you out on pulling his credit report and being behind RCS, you denied it by saying people at CHC don't like him. You are clearly implying someone over there is behind it. That's bullshit and you know it. If you have knowledge of someone over there that goes through the trouble of making websites designed to harass prominent Haterz, then spill. You owe it to Rob. If not, stop being such a little bitch and trying to continue your smear campaign that you began at DHC.
You are clearly implying someone over there is behind it.
Not at all. I was saying Rob shouldn't have jumped to the conclusion it was me. He has no proof his credit was pulled, if he did the culprit could be easily incriminated.
I know I didn't do it, so I'm not worried.
Nigel knows who was behind RCS. I still hold out the hope that he'll eventually do the right thing. I also know that that kind of inner strength cannot be forced but needs to grow honestly from within. That's why I declined to hand over any information to his employer in the sales marketing program he was working with.
Nothing more about the triple-breasted MILF?
That's why I declined to hand over any information to his employer in the sales marketing program he was working with.
Dawg,
If that's the company I'm thinking of, it was way in the past. So bring it. You don't have to do it here, I'll address your concerns honestly by private email.
Regardless, if your allegations towards your kin are serious, you would have pursued legal/police options long ago. You haven't. You're full of hyperbole and you know it. Let me define hyperbole for you since I know you scientific types don't understand literary terms. It's exaggeration to make a point. Some would call it b.s. or manure.
Seriously Dawg, if I ever felt a credible threat about a family member and had any inkling who was responsible, the Police would soon be knocking on my suspect's door.
That has never happened to me and I know why. I didn't do it.
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