Friday, March 24, 2017

Oroville News

Damage, design flaws in Oroville Dam spillway point to lengthy repairs, consultants say

From the SacBee:
The main spillway at Oroville Dam is riddled with design flaws and so badly damaged that an independent panel of experts hired by the state has concluded it’s probably impossible to repair the structure completely before the next rainy season begins in November.
The panel of four engineering consultants, in a recent memo to the state Department of Water Resources, said it believes the concrete spillway can be made functional enough to release water from Lake Oroville during the next rainy season. But the panel noted it’s “questionable” whether the state has enough time to replace the badly damaged lower half of the 48-year-old spillway. The bottom of the structure is now split from the top by a gaping chasm that extends into the neighboring hillside.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article140390898.html#storylink=cpy

Screen shot of the video at the link.
And the rock roses came out this morning. 
By "lengthy" the consultants mean "expensive." 

109 comments:

LBD said...

Hopefully the spillway was the last to be built and cost over runs lead to the inadequate construction. Better they built the dam right the first time. Crosses fingers.

Rob Dawg said...

Good points. Pretty hard to build an earthen dam "wrong." The base of the dam is thousands of yards behind the rim.

I'm just pissed because I see the "bill" being padded early and hard.

another thing that pisses me off is the failure to expand -existing- capacity for not only free but for profit. We should have been de-silting and re-countouring the lowered reservoirs. That's some valuable dirt. Or at least it was. Opportunity lost no doubt to eco-concerns.

Lawyerliz said...

Hmm, why not follow the chasm it naturally made and then build one straight? Johns Hopkins college built a new bldg some decades ago but no sidewalks. They built sidewalks later where the students trod down the grass. And it was not an orderly X which architecture ctects would have designed.

Lawyerliz said...

DYAC

Lawyerliz said...

Wait a gol darned minure. The house doesn't have to vote just because Trump sez so, right?

Lawyerliz said...

Florida has a provision that laws are limited to one subject.

Rob Dawg said...

Serious connectivity issues please be patient.

Lawyerliz said...

What flaws were discovered?

I'll be patient.

Rob Dawg said...

Not "flaws" so much as advancing of understanding and improved materials and sophisticated modeling and accumulated experience.

I wouldn't build a plane the way I built them 30 years ago.

Rob Dawg said...

My connectivity is too spotty to use. Talk amongst yourselves. Sorry.

Cinco-X said...

Florida also had a "government in the sunshine" law, or at least it did...

Cinco-X said...

No, they don't

Cinco-X said...

I'd think about implementing an energy dissipation chasm rather than a concrete sluice. It wouldn't have the same throughout, but there'd be a lot fewer problems at the base under heavy overflow conditions

Cinco-X said...

Breaking! House tables healthcare vote

Cinco-X said...

Argh... Throughput

Cinco-X said...

Fwiw, I think this is good news for the repugs, despite what the pundits are saying... Now move along to our things

Cinco-X said...

http://www.businessinsider.com/acha-house-vote-trump-paul-ryan-2017-3

Rob Dawg said...

Letting Obamacare die in its own poison is probably best. By best I mean not worst.

EngineerJim said...

>Not "flaws" so much as advancing of understanding and improved materials and sophisticated modeling and accumulated experience.

Yeah, that's my take on it.
In February, people were claiming there was no rebar in the concrete, but it's obvious from the photos, rebar was used. Then people questioned whether enough rebar was used. Apparently by 1960's standards there was enough. Experience and knowledge gained is how building codes are developed and improved over time.

Elizabeth Merceret said...

I'm sorry, I think it. Means that the extreme conservatives, will scuttle anything that isn't perfect and prevent the rest of Congress from governing. Not that they were doing much of that anyway.

LBD said...

Apparently they read it and there for won't pass it. Palosi is shocked!

They now have a study model to get it right. The lack of rebar maybe part of it but from photos it looked like the concrete thickness was a factor as well.

EngineerJim said...

Nancy Pelosi said this was a great day for America.
Then she turned it over to the "Majority leader" -- oops not majority leader.

Elizabeth Merceret said...

I'm sorry, I think it. Means that the extreme conservatives, will scuttle anything that isn't perfect and prevent the rest of Congress from governing. Not that they were doing much of that anyway.

Elizabeth Merceret said...

I don't think much of anything will happen under Trump's watch.

He will say it has.😱

LBD said...

We replaced a President not the ship of pirates. Not surprised we will have grid lock the Lobbyist will be still control.

EngineerJim said...

>I'm sorry, I think it. Means that the extreme conservatives, will scuttle anything that isn't perfect and prevent the rest of Congress from governing.

I think that's the reason John Boehner is now retired.

Rob Dawg said...

Exxon Valdez?

[Testing if connectivity is back.]

Rob Dawg said...

Enjoy the new xeriscape addition:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UnHi-75k_fA/WNWUfISVetI/AAAAAAAAI7s/rLSrUFUQA-oaAdX-d4SysZc5mGRhra3cACLcB/s1600/IMG_1983.jpg

"Thread Agave."

Rob Dawg said...

Cinco will enjoy this:

http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/Home/StateDroughtMonitor.aspx?MA

He's in a worse drought than the dawghaus. Funny.

Lawyerliz said...

Maybe Trump is mean enough to try and get these absurd conservatives.

Cinco-X said...

Perfect by their standards, which could mean FUBAR by anyone else's standards

Cinco-X said...

Could be... We went 38 months with below average rainfall, and what we've been getting isn't enough to recoup all that. Still, it's not exactly a dessert here. We've got a foot or so of snow on the ground at my place

Cinco-X said...

Desert... DYAC

Rob Dawg said...

Desert dessert. No big deal. This isn't the old sites where a DYAC would be weaponized fir abuse. I kinda like Liz's pErcoSEt moments. ;).

Rob Dawg said...

If it is consolation I have a foot of grass in places and it isn't going to melt.

Lawyerliz said...

Where is everybody?

Rob Dawg said...

Finishing for the week with Lazy Dog reservations at 6. The boss insists I engage in personal hygiene and preferably burn my yard clothes beforehand. Like I said it has been a busy time.

Did you like the rock rose? They don't last.

Cinco-X said...

It bothers the grammar Nazi in me... Glad there's no yogi here now, though he was a bit of a grammar Nazi himself

Cinco-X said...

Ya... The nice thing about the snow is that I don't need to worry about ticks yet, though that is coming soon enough too

Mike said...

so we have a "Liz" and an "Elizabeth" on the board..both from Florida..and both dislike Trump?? hmmm..I'm suspicious..lol

Cinco-X said...

Are you implying they're sick puppies.. Oops, I mean sock puppets?

Mike said...

ha ha ha..if so...that's the worst job of trying to disguise it I've ever seen...

:<)

Lawyerliz said...

I said I was the same person. Humpfff

Mike said...

I said I was the same person. Humpfff

oh I didn't see that..why do you use two names??

Lawyerliz said...

I don't. The tablet uses my name OF course I don't understand why.

LBD said...

Just finished working on my stuff. Very productive day for me. :)

Rob Dawg said...

Apparently they cannot count in Kentucky seeing as they are spending weeks under the UCLA basket.

Mike said...

Refs are Common Core grads....

Rob Dawg said...

Lol! The announcers are praising UKs offensive rebounding. Turns out there is a reason.

Mike said...

I'm trying to remember the last time I've seen a 3 sec violation called in a game (college or pro)..and I honestly can't.

Rob Dawg said...

Exactly. I am not really complaining so much as pointing it out. It isn't a violation if they aren't calling it.

Mike said...

Alfords on fire...that's the coaches kid..right??

Rob Dawg said...

Yup. These aren't the same teams from the previous round.

Rob Dawg said...

UCLA has no fast break.

Rob Dawg said...

Blast friom the past:

https://caseyconstantine.com/

Lawyerliz said...

I just found out my congressman is one of those awful super consevatives. For which, I am temporarily grateful since he helped the Repubs shoot themselves in the foot.

Lawyerliz said...

Good morning all.

Does this mean he won't get his tax proposals through either? The hub is for lowering Corp taxes. Why can't we tax the rich? Trickle down has been shown to be false. And raise the SS cap? Ans raise the date of full payment by say 6 months. And the 63 to 64. Problem solved or close to it.

Lawyerliz said...

Gas prices went up, why?, and are now coming down again. Consumer spendING dropped, because it was warm in Feb, and use of heating oil dropped. Why is this bad?

Lawyerliz said...

Interviewees About O care only were reported on their own interests. Not one mentioned how it would help or harm someone else. Or, if they did, it wasn't reported.

Lawyerliz said...

The blog is minnne!!!! MINE!

Lawyerliz said...

Brevard county unemployment went down from 5.3 to 5%. Not great, but not a kick in the pants. Florida's the same, but the labor force increased by 300k.

Lawyerliz said...

When Ryan was leaving after the loss, he looked just terrible. Crumpled. And he's a handsome man.

Lawyerliz said...

In fact most of Florida's congress persons were in that category. Oh, well bad is good for once.

Cinco-X said...

Don't let it go to your head

Cinco-X said...

I just have a problem feeling sorry for those folks

Lawyerliz said...

Well he did one good thing, preventing the govt from shutting down. He will eventually get blamed by Trump.

Lawyerliz said...

And I think he knows it.

Lawyerliz said...

Will the tax bill go under because rich people are not benefitted enough as per the hard right?

LBD said...

Good Morning!

At least it wasn't strictly a party play. We have no idea of what the bill had in it and it may not have turned out well. This maybe is the best move.

Trickle down works only if you work.

LBD said...

The tax bill? Only the lobbyist know for sure. ;)

EngineerJim said...

>We have no idea of what the bill had in it

Ok, I'll say it: they would have had to pass it to find out what's in it.

Cinco-X said...

I think we knew enough to say it was a bad bill

LBD said...

I assume no Dem voted for it either. The new party of no cooperation. Congress still dysfunctional.

Rob Dawg said...

Rs don't know how to get to "yes." Only consolation is they won't own it next year when it gets really bad.

Good morning all.
The for sale signs are going up all over the hood. Age related I believe.

Lawyerliz said...

The back benchers didn't know all that was in it, but I think they had some idea. I would be a good think if the leadership couldn't just ram things through.

Lawyerliz said...

Correct.

Lawyerliz said...

Prices reasonable? Silly me.

Lawyerliz said...

Over 40 years ago the hub was cured of cancer. I wonder if it ewould still be viewed as a preexisting conotion by the insurance coompany.

LBD said...

Rental moving season is on here the project house rent 2 days after I finished it, that leaves one that's not quite ready, a few days away. The other good news are rents are back to normal RR is bring some people back. :)

LBD said...

I would think after 40 years it would be in the cured category unlike mine that reoccurs.

Lawyerliz said...

Ok what achievable unemployment rate would make you happy? I read hours woked is going up. How about u-6? For me, 4.2%, and 7.7%. Anybody?

Lawyerliz said...

RR?

Lawyerliz said...

He gets little skin cancers, completed different kind. Chopped off every 6 months.

Lawyerliz said...

Completely.

LBD said...

RR is Rail Road, Union Pacific here.

UE numbers mean little to me but wages and hours worked do. The other 2 parts of the Delta.

Cinco-X said...

I think you're considered cured if you've been cancer free for 5 years, but don't take my word for it...

Lawyerliz said...

Yay.

Lawyerliz said...

Aren't they both going up too?

Lawyerliz said...

Do you think they should mhave cut off maternity?

Cinco-X said...

I don't think a raw number like that accurately reflects the modern labor market. I'd like to see additional increments of annual GDP distributed to the lower quintiles. That would be an improvement. Having lower income people work the jobs instead of two is not an improvement

Cinco-X said...

http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-03-25

Cinco-X said...

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-the-job-market-doesnt-feel-like-its-back-to-normal-2017-3

LBD said...

Hours worked still lagging last year and below peak a couple of years ago. Wages are not significant when you work less hours. Job quality sucks with out manufacturing for many. They can't and should not make a living flipping burgers and holding 2-3 jobs. Now Technology is their next battle. Let's import more poverty, that will fix it!

LBD said...

Maternity should be an optional expense like it used to be. I am a traditionalist and my wife was a stay at home mom. People need to step up and not be rewarded for little or no effort. IMO.

Cinco-X said...

http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-recommendations-citizens-traveling-2017-3/#canada-4

The recommendations also advise Russians not to confuse Canada with the United States. "Although foreigners are often difficult to distinguish one from another," the Ministry writes, "a Canadian citizen may be very offended for comparing his country with the United States."

Cinco-X said...

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-dangerous-countries-for-american-tourists-ranked-2017-3


Curious... Mexico number one

Cinco-X said...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-trump-lost-on-health-care/

Lawyerliz said...

Maybe some go to buy drugs

Mike said...

Didn't the R's pass something like 80 different bills to repeal O-care during O's tenure?? Why not just take one of those and run it thru again??

Mike said...

Interesting census bureau study on fastest growing metros (July 2015 thru July 2016)...with a break-out of Domestic and international net migration


https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2017/cb17-44.html

Cinco-X said...

One of the repugs suggested that, but given current public opinion, it might not be possible to pass that either right now. Just let Obamacare die on its own and worry about other things for now

Thomas Stone said...

Dawg, I sent you some charts...

Lawyerliz said...

They really didn't mean it.

Lawyerliz said...

Hause went up 100$. Wheeee. I know it doesn't mean any thing, but it's fun.

Lawyerliz said...

Paperwork for son's clising, yes, yes, it's a gift not a loan, oh underwriter.

Lawyerliz said...

Closing.

Mike said...

Just let Obamacare die on its own

sounds good..but how is Fed Gov shoveling money to the insurance companies as they continuously raise their premiums ever going to die??

Rob Dawg said...

Mike, thanks for the census link.

New Post.

Cinco-X said...

When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing you need to do is stop digging