I’m talking out my story with all the juicy details and recording everything as it comes. This “brain dump” then goes to the transcriber to be converted to text. Then we massage and edit the text. It’s a fun process and not as hard as I thought.I went back and forth on writing this foreclosure book. At this point I’m going full speed ahead.
Questions, questions. Where to start? Most of my questions revolve around two general ideas. Who researched the potential sales numbers? Two does the publisher have any idea of the potential litigation?
I'm sure you all have your own questions. He won't answer but the EN community surely will and our answers will be far more entertaining.
109 comments:
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Murst and Wurst!!
aaack!!
First!
Hoochie-mama!
Somebody give me FISHY TREATS!
thhpptt!!
S_t_C
Oh, dammit!
Poop in your shoes, P!
thhpptt!!
S_t_C
Dang it!!
I stop refreshing for two minutes to do some looser W-2 work, and I miss another first..
Maybe Idiot-boy was right... W-2 works IS for loosers
What about the possibility that Dandelion is deleting post comments so that he can claim the content as his own?
Happy "Third Annual International Respect for
Chickens Day, May 4."
Doubt it. Someone touched on it earlier - he's restored his site from an earlier backup.
BTW - I shall observe IRfCD by visiting my favorite BBQ place around noon and consuming the tasty flesh of several of their bretheren.
Mmmm.
Casey here are 2 questions I have for you.
1) Will you address us by our blog names or simply refer to us has haterz(crazy tm symbol at the end)
2) To save time, you know so you can focus on sweet deals and more business trips and such, I suggest taking the posts from your site and printing them out. Send them to your publisher and have him staple them together. There is your book. There is nothing new you can add. Why waste time?
Now my question for the EN crew.
- Will Snowflake fudge some of the details? Obviously if he "forgets" or alters some details we'll be on the publisher's ass. But what are the possibilities of him leaving out certain information?
Dewey Decimal says; File under Fiction.
Happy "Third Annual International Respect for
Chickens Day, May 4."
Arrgh! I be waiting for this day, I be. http://www.talklikeapirate.com/
I wonder if Casey's "publisher" who is recording all of his "juicy details" is really an investigator working for a lender or government agency. Wouldn't it be funny if he went to pick up a royalty check only to find the whole book deal was an elaborate ruse to gather evidence and arrest him?
Cafepress does books now. I wonder if Snowflake was talking to them to try and iron out some 'technical' problems with submitting his 'book' to them.
Now my question for the EN crew.
- Will Snowflake fudge some of the details? Obviously if he "forgets" or alters some details we'll be on the publisher's ass. But what are the possibilities of him leaving out certain information?
No problem. We collectively publish "The truth behind the Casey Serin Story" Win-win!
"File under Fiction" - agreed.
But you know, what's been so interesting and infuriating about the KC saga is... his complete disregard for reality. KC keeps trying to 'spin' his story that somehow he really tried to do the right thing... just start a business and make some money. Every single post he makes has been along those lines, from day one.
And ever single TV interview has told the story of 'the poor 24 year old entrepreneur who got caught in an unfortunate Real Estate downturn.' Every single one.
I don't see how this 'book' will be any different. Or for that matter, why it should be different. Oh yeah, there'll be some gut-wrenching, soul-searching drivel about KC and his religion and his relation with his 'maker.' Problems with his marriage, and relation with this family. And it will all be delusional fantasy, a core-dump from the twisted wreckage that represents KC's mind.
Is this any different from today's Prime Time television? Methinks not.
I see his book in Oprah's Book Club in the near future. Sweeet.
R.Dawg:
" Who researched the potential sales numbers? Two does the publisher have any idea of the potential litigation?"
1) A small pubs might be wagering that site hits could translate into sales figures.
(I frankly don't see it, if foreclosures keep going at their present rate for a while, why would someone who's been through "honorable" foclo want to read the Deep Thoughts of our scamming weaselpenis?)
2) If, by some miracle of the Almighty and a peculiar alignment of the planets, "ForeclosureFace" takes off and becomes a NYTimes bestseller, the pubs stand to make a heap of money.
This could also be a Vanity Press operation he's dealing with. They'll print as many copies as he'll pay for.
The Hobbit, though, might not see dick-all of the filthy lucre.
There's the "David Berkowitz" laws that prevent one from making a profit from one's criminal actions.
And...the pubs might have bought the rights to Snowflake's story for cheap.
We know how Casey's crackerjack business acumen takes over when someone offers him a "deal", right?
From pubs' POV, this might be a "win-win".
This does bring up a morbid idea...we might start and fund a syndicate to buy the Snowflake's body after he's dead for "medical purposes".
I'm thinking: have him freeze-dried and mounted by a taxidermist and then lease him to Countrywide as a decoration for their corporate boardroom...or maybe their executive bathroom.
He'd be on his blue ball,(naturally), and "in" on sweet deals forever...
Organic! (wtf?)
Or perhaps take it on tour and put him up in properties' front yards with a "FSBO" sign around his neck.
The "Anti-St.Joseph".
FYI, my many alter ego's have been speaking about Casey this morning in the 'As I spoke more with Casey' thread. Shameless plug ala Nigel - please read them, please please please.
you... don't... think... naw that's too wild. Could it be? This idea is too stupid even for him. Is he using the corporate credit of his suspended company to vanity publish a book and justifying the Tahoe trip as an associated business expense? This is his big idea? A self financed book deal? I cannot imagine a real publisher wanting to touch this trainwreck but I can see a vanity press operation sucking him into buying the upgrades; ghostwriter, Hardcover, book tour bookings, etc. If it weren't my money it would be merely sad.
I don't see any self-respecting editor seeing a story here at all, unless it's a self-publishing deal, in which case the "agent' (rep for self publishing company) doesnt care, it's not their money being wasted.
Also, any self-respecting editor would see the legal liabilities involved with this book, and any future theoretical earnings being denied after conviction, and would not want to touch it with a 10,000 foot pole. Think Scott Peterson writing a book...and I just cannot see any way for an agent to sell a "brain dump" of a 24 year old old slacker/scammer.
Then there's the issue of getting releases from everyone who's posted, if he uses any of the posts. ONE cease and desist could kill the project. Just give us enough hints who the "publisher" is, and your deal is dead in the water, shithead.
Then there's PRLinkBiz. Issue is definitely still hanging out there.
Then there's the fact that if the blog ever returns to it's former state, the entire story is there, for free. Start charging for access, shithead, the DA will be all over you. Why buy the book when the story, what little interest is there, is already there? Pay for your "thoughts" on the matter? You won't sell a single copy...well, *maybe* your mom, because knowing you, you'll charge her.
And the one issue you cannot deal with, is this site, and the posters. Ignore it all you want shithead, but we're still her. Waiting. Muahahahahahahahahaa. Try and sell a book. Go for it.
Dummy.
Or perhaps take it on tour and put him up in properties' front yards with a "FSBO" sign around his neck.
Great marketing idea though. Lifesized cardboard Caseys holding a sign saying "FSBO bring offers"
Hey, "real" publishers have had really dumb-ass book ideas before. Remember "If I Did It", the recent O.J. debacle?
I think a legit book idea is possible, and even though I'd hate to see Fliptard make a penny off it ... it would be amusing just to watch Swabtard turn green with envy!
aack!!
S_t_C
Wait a minute. Snowflake is sitting around blabbing to some kind of authority figure and they've got someone there to transcribe it all?
Maybe he's just the last one to realize he's on trial?
Sharky:
“There's the ‘David Berkowitz’ laws that prevent one from making a profit from one's criminal actions.”
1) there are no criminal actions until proven otherwise -- allegations, even admissions, aren’t applicable; 2) it will be a long, long, long time before Casey is adjudicated a criminal -- if ever.
Whoever is posting over at Swabtard's DHC blog under the name Casey Serin (with photo!) is hilarious.
OK, fess up - which one of you haterz is responsible?
S_t_C
jjs:
"Wouldn't it be funny if he went to pick up a royalty check only to find the whole book deal was an elaborate ruse to gather evidence and arrest him?"
As opposed to reading and screen-capping IAFF?
Y'know, that's just goofy enough of an idea, that I'd see law enforcement mounting the operation.
Totally unnecessary, though.
Put hobbit under interrogation, and he'd crack like a rotten egg.
They'd need to threaten him in order to shut him up...he'd be giving up his cronies from 2nd grade back in Uzbekistan who ran the tricycle chop-shop, the pencils and paper-clips he lifted from his old employer, and so forth.
Casey has as much chance of making money off his so-called book as, well, fill in your favorite analogy.
Assuming this is not a vanity project--a large assumption--and he is indeed working with a legitimate publisher, it's as difficult for a new author to break into the market as it is for any old garage band to make it big through the music industry.
Further, even if his book does get published, it will have to sell a LOT of copies before Casey will see any money from it.
If he's truly working with a legitimate publisher, have they given him an advance? If so, why haven't we heard about it?
Typically new authors have to go through agents if they have any reasonable chance to catch a publisher's interest. Does Casey have an agent?
Last, when trying to predict the possibility of success with his book project, ask yourself what has been Casey's track record in successful projects to date. What's that I hear? Zero percent? Well, then--why should this endeavor be any different?
I think you're all about to eat crow. I guarantee Casey will sell books. Just look at all the time and energy you people put into learning every detail about his life and the inner workings of his "scam." OJ didn't generate as much curiosity! People will definitely pay cash to see how this kid did what he did, and they'll probably learn a few things in the process- just like I know that every single person posting here has learned something from Casey's blog regarding real estate whether it be a term, a concept, or how a certain aspect of a particular transaction occurs. The kicker is a lot of people that I talk to have not yet heard of Casey, but immediately check him out after I tell them his unbelievable story. He is the poster boy for the bubble!
The guy is an idiot yes. But he's right, you are haterz. Not because you dislike him, but because you dislike him for any small amount of success he may have. How sad for people probably in their 30s and 40s to spend so much energy on a piddly twenty something. And don't give me that "he's a part of a bigger problem," crap. You are haterz. I hope you feel bigger at the end of the day that Casey will inevitably fail due to his debt, which is blatantly obvious. Too bad all that hating doesn't burn the calories off of your fat bellies, give a sheen to your undoubtedly awkward social skills, and multiply the meager earnings that you are clearly angry at the world for not surpassing. Hate away haterz.
Anon 7:54:
"1) there are no criminal actions until proven otherwise -- allegations, even admissions, aren’t applicable; 2) it will be a long, long, long time before Casey is adjudicated a criminal -- if ever."
True enough, but if hypothetically, Casey sees any measurable cash from his story, you can bet that the entities he screwed are going to sic their lawyers on him like beagles after a fox.
And the kid is certainly generating a groundswell of folks who want to see the law enforced on him for his dealings.
In fact, I bet the pubs, if they're legit, would delay actually publishing anything until AFTER the hobbit pleads.
Not only free publicity, but that way THEY keep the dough, and Casey gets zilch.
Anon 8:03 -
Yes, many people - including myself - have learned quite a lot of things from Casey's blog.
However, not a SINGLE ONE of those things was from Casey himself. They were from posts, either haterz or otherwise.
Too bad KC restored from a backup. New visitors to his blog won't see his recent bipolar meltdown.
Actually Hating does burn calories. It is mental activity and your brain uses an enourmous amount of calories. Hating also gets your blood pumping and increases your metabolism.
If Casey is writing a weight loss book he may actually succeed.
P.S. Hi Nigel!
just like I know that every single person posting here has learned something from Casey's blog regarding real estate whether it be a term, a concept, or how a certain aspect of a particular transaction occurs.
No I learned that from looking it up on Google.
you dislike him for any small amount of success he may have
I don't know why I'm bothering to answer this but please point to any success CS has had. The guy either has mental problems or is an idiot or a combination of the two.
Here's the difference between OJ's potential book deal and Casey's.
OJ - Professional athlete. One of the best running backs of all time. His trial was broadcast all over the world. One of the most publicized trials of our century.
Snowflake - a 24 year old, lazy, idiotic criminal who knowingly committed mortgage fraud. Did nothing while his houses went to foreclosure. Has no track record of success.
Now take mortgage fraud and realize that Casey is 1 pea on the pod. You tell me, between OJ and Casey, who would have the potential to sell more books.
Anon 8:03:
"I hope you feel bigger at the end of the day that Casey will inevitably fail due to his debt, which is blatantly obvious."
Begone troll! Casey's failure was due to his own self-deluded greed and his inoperative moral compass that led him to break the law.
He committed, by his own admission, mortgage fraud.
The vast majority of folks do not.
So if we take a measure of smug self-satisfaction from watching this crook's life go into the shitter as a direct result of his transgressions, that is our prerogative.
Fuck You.
You've bought into CaseyWorld, chummie.
A world where anyone who disagrees with your, (or his), personal propaganda is motivated by entirely negative and maliciious motives.
Dismissing people thusly is exactly how Serin ended up as he has.
All the RE seminar folks were just as nice and as positive and as supportive as could be I'll wager.
And they made 30k off this schmuck...and he's now so deep in the hole that the only way he'll see the sky is if someone tapes a postcard to a brick and drops it in on him.
You want to kiss his ass?
Crawl down there with him, and see if he doesn't end up standing on your shoulders so that he's THAT much closer to gettting out of it.
Look how he treated his S-i-L...
"I know that every single person posting here has learned something from Casey's blog regarding real estate whether it be a term, a concept, or how a certain aspect of a particular transaction occurs"
See that just it, no one learned anything from Casey. The majority of us already had common sense. The majority of us already had work ethic. The only thing we might have learned is that we're thankful that we're not as idiotic and lazy as snowflake. There was no education gained from his ordeal.
mozatta - you left out controversial outcome of trial. I don't think there has been much controversy over the outcomes of various mortgage fraud cases recently.
The guy is an idiot yes. But he's right, you are haterz. Not because you dislike him, but because you dislike him for any small amount of success he may have.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: if he shows even the slightest sign of actually doing something to pay back the people he's screwed over, I'll be the first to applaud.
This process will, by definition, involve "a small amount of success".
Anon 8:03:
One more thing:
"Too bad all that hating doesn't burn the calories off of your fat bellies, give a sheen to your undoubtedly awkward social skills, and multiply the meager earnings that you are clearly angry at the world for not surpassing. Hate away haterz."
Project much?
Okay fatso...get back to work...the deep fat fryer isn't going to clean itself.
(Funny how you've given such a clear picture of what your own life is like, huh?).
@ Miguel
I agree. Him getting a W-2 job would be a huge step for him that would bring plenty of encouragement. Hell, I think if he helped clean SiL's house or mowed the lawn we would send him "conrats"
We hate him because he has/had the opportunity to at least attempt to right the wrong, but he looked at us and give us the 5-finger salute.
Mozatta:
I wasn't trying to compare or contrast the volume of books that Fliptard might sell vs. O.J. I was merely pointing out the equality in the level of stupidity regarding both projects.
But your point is well taken.
S_t_C
Ok you guys give Casey way to much credit. Everyone knows what a total slackass he is. Here is what is going on.
Missing posts- he didn't restore from a back-up nor is he hiding evidence. As Heekee mentioned he asked Casey to remove the 300 post comments to free up bandwidth. Of course Casey didn't and got suspended. So his options are remove the past couple of posts with hundreds of comments, or move the site. Which one sounds like more work? Of course he gave in and took down the 2 large posts, it is easier and costs no money.
Book Deal: This will be an ebook. He mentions possibly scanning mortgage documents. You wouldn't do this with a real publisher. He is just talking to the same guy who did the transcriptions for the Haterz conference call. He did that for free, he may be doing the same for this. He seems gullible enough to believe Casey when Casey tells him he pay him from the book sales.
The transcibed copies are sent back to Casey and he is supposed to review and compile. He uses the word "we" but that is probably him and his partner in crime G. If he ever gets it together it will be a download available from IAFF for a sweet $19.95, or maybe if you prepay for a year of instant comments you get it free!
But since Casey is such a slacker he won't get the book deal done. On the of chance that he does, it will be a useless assembly of random streams of thought that will utterly incoherent.
@ Sputnik
While mortgage fraud is a huge concern right now and Snowflake's crime helped hurt a lot more people, at least publishing a book about murder is more intriguing.
I would have at least checked OJ's book out from my local public library. Snowflake's no way.
An intelligent well reasoned post. Way to kill the comment buzz Skip E.
is it "his book" at all?
Perhaps the way round the PRLNKBIZ contract is that this is not his book -- it's not his writings. He is dumping ideas and someone else is writing the book. That might get around the PRLnkBiz contract.
Remember, he is not into details (like actually writing a book) -- he is the "ideas man"
Skip E:
"If he ever gets it together it will be a download available from IAFF for a sweet $19.95, or maybe if you prepay for a year of instant comments you get it free!"
Wow...I can see folks getting "e-trampled" in the rush to download that gem!
Hope someone alerts DARPA that the internet is about to go down...when "Foreclosure Face" comes available, it could have national security implications!
Haterz - I admit it - Kostya's story does fill me with strong feelings of anger - not physical violence mind you but an admixture of self loathing and anger at "the system" of which I have always been too meek (hence the self loathing) to challenge. Following his blog it occurs to me that "the system" is largely a construct of my own fear and timidity as Casey appears to have suffered none of the consequences that I would have expected to result from his behaviour. It reminds me of something from childhood where I was told that in the end God will judge us - as humans our problem is waiting for his judgement - we are sometimes too impatient and want to exercise it on his behalf in a more timely (to us) manner. What galls me the most about Casey's story is that he has illegally enriched himself without any consequences. I have led a mostly timid and law abiding life - I admit that part of what prompts my abiding the law is a fear of punishment or consequences for flouting it. I am old now and Casey's story, through the prism of subjectivity, really makes me regret that I did not take more chances in life. I would not ever want to be the position in which he has placed himself (though his pride - his constant "look at me" attitude and his con man personality) but I do secretly harbor a wish for just a small dram of his supreme self confidence (which appears to be largely the product of ignorance and to border on psychopathology). I feel so strongly that if I were to do what Casey has done or to find myself in his shoes I would be so mortified and humiliated that I would quite seriously consider suicide - and that is what I envy and "hate" about him - his response (despite the con man nature of it) is to LIVE, to be ALIVE, to chose LIFE whereas I have lived my life dead - which is where we all (Casey too) will end up. His story negatively resonates with me because reveals that I have been too afraid of life whereas he (for all his faults and they are many) is fearless in that respect. My hate is not at Casey per se it is at myself for being unnecessarily afraid of what his experience shows to be is ultimately nothing more than a phantom of my own fear.
If they try to use and make money off of any of the Haterz™ spoof-art without the permission of the creators, (mine or Vague Guru's) in this work of great literature, I'll call in my buddy Tom; he's like a slavering, rabid pitbull lawyer from Hell from a large firm here @ PDX. Casey and his 'publisher' will look like a gazelle carcass after a pack of lions had at it.
I wonder what publisher he's talking to. The process he describes is curious, to say the least. I'm interested to see how this turns out.
I see Nigel's on his high horse named "Smuggo" today.
He really should look into counseling for his inferiority complex. It's not unusual for short, balding men to feel the need to act superior like that. Ride on Napoleon.
Poor, sad little man.
Hi Guys
Annie here. I just sent the following to Casey:
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Hi Casey:
Annie here -
Nice news you are writing a book. While Haterz comments may be in the "public domain" through your blog, any personal comments, statements, disclosure of identities of those individuals need to be carefully handled -- otherwise you may find yourself in litigation. Any information or disclosure regarding any individual you may wish to identify in your book should be approved in writing by that individual. Make sure your publisher has the necessary legal team to write the contracts and funds to contact these indivduals for their written release for inclusion in your book.
Also, remember to be truthful about everything. James Frey was burned badly when it was discovered his book was largely fiction.
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Casey can write about his blog, but he can't write about those of us who have made his blog the success it is today. He can't name names or speculate about any individual or group of Haterz without our expressed permission and legal documentation to to write about what a Haterz might be thinking, their identiy, their employment, family life, etc.
If Casey wants to write a book - fine. He just can't write about the BLOG and those participating in the comments area without our permission.
Just a hint of possible litigation by anyone (i.e., a haterz, or RE agent or mortgage broker who assisted Casey in his crimes) could send the publisher running.
Hi Guys
Annie here. I just sent the following to Casey:
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Hi Casey:
Annie here -
Nice news you are writing a book. While Haterz comments may be in the "public domain" through your blog, any personal comments, statements, disclosure of identities of those individuals need to be carefully handled -- otherwise you may find yourself in litigation. Any information or disclosure regarding any individual you may wish to identify in your book should be approved in writing by that individual. Make sure your publisher has the necessary legal team to write the contracts and funds to contact these indivduals for their written release for inclusion in your book.
Also, remember to be truthful about everything. James Frey was burned badly when it was discovered his book was largely fiction.
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Casey can write about his blog, but he can't write about those of us who have made his blog the success it is today. He can't name names or speculate about any individual or group of Haterz without our expressed permission and legal documentation to to write about what a Haterz might be thinking, their identiy, their employment, family life, etc.
If Casey wants to write a book - fine. He just can't write about the BLOG and those participating in the comments area without our permission.
Just a hint of possible litigation by anyone (i.e., a haterz, or RE agent or mortgage broker who assisted Casey in his crimes) could send the publisher running.
I may have just spotted Slowflake's newest "business partner". You see, I live in Germany (that's a country in Europe), and there's a company called "Allianz" which is, I believe, the largest insurance'n'stuff company in Europe, and happened to catch a commercial from them which featured - get this - a blue ball.
As Germans - traditionally a country of renters - are starting to move towards property purchase - I'm speculating Allianz is positioning itself as a major player in the coming foreclosure market. I haven't been able to find any of the commercials on YouTube and the like, but the Allianz site does offer some blue ball screen savers and blue ball desktop backgrounds for your pleasure. Though unfortunately they just don't have that blue-ballyness the commercial had.
p.s. Thank you to the regulars (and irregulars) for your humorous and insightful posts that I have read and enjoyed these past months. Thank you also to Mr. Cote for setting this site up - it provides an unvarnished (though casey-centric) glimpse into our collective psyche around the themes of success and failure in america.
Hey you Haters, I have Yahoo Ads now! So come click on them and make me some sweet money! Thanks!
Annie raises an interesting point. Should Casey actually publish a "real" book, what would be the legal status of any comments left on his blog? Seems to me they are not copyrighted in any way, and are in the public domain.
So long as he doesn't reveal the identities behind the usernames, why couldn't he publish the comments?
Any haterz-lawyers around who can comment?
S_t_C
http://sfgate.com/columnists/lloyd/
I have firefox, but I still see ads on snowflake's site. How do I turn it off so I don't see these ads?
Meek:
" My hate is not at Casey per se it is at myself for being unnecessarily afraid of what his experience shows to be is ultimately nothing more than a phantom of my own fear."
In living your quiet and law-abiding life, how many people have been your direct victims?
How many people have been laid off or impoverished or even inconvenienced unnecessarily through YOUR actions?
What Hobbit won't face up to is that none of us live in a vacuum.
His actions have, at the very least, denied seven people, and their families, the opportunity to own and live in a home of their own.
His actions have negatively impacted just about everyone who has become involved with him...even the GooRoos who made money from him.(Anyone here plan to buy Robert Kiyosacki books?).
And in some small part, will continue to negatively affect people who have never known him.
The 80/20 mortgage program is no longer offered, y'know.
The No-Doc loan programs were designed for people who DO work, but have problems with income documentation...not dirtballs like Snowflake.
His deeds are now a small log in the jam that other folks are going to have to navigate to realize the goal of homeownership.
If you've not "shit in our common stewpot", then thank you...you have naught to be regretful for.
M-U-R-S-T!
Smuggo.
*snort*
Mozatta-
Get the AdblockPlus extension.
"Funny how you've given such a clear picture of what your own life is like, huh?"
Actually, I'm a 26 year old corporate attorney. I've got the day out of the office to work on some discovery, so I figured I'd hit the blogs a bit.
Bitter old people make me laugh (and upsetting them is so easy). I love how everyone points out all the ad hominem attacks against the posters on this blog yet turn around and do the same thing. Sad, sad burn outs. I have no love for Casey, but after occasionally dropping in here and at iaff I can't figure out who's more sad- Casey or his devoted haterz. Hasn't club hate on casey gone a little too far? Angry at him because he committed mortgage fraud? Puh-leeze. Your bitterness with your own life is transparent. You're not haterz, you're loserz.
Not a haterz-lawyer (yet), but a haterz-law student (who starts bar review next week and won't be spending as much time here).
As far as the Haterz using the book--even if KC's blog and book are copyrighted, my notes from Intellectual Property class say that fair use still applies, plus there are automatic rights for satire and parody under copyright law.
As far as KC using the Haterz' comments--I think this would be more of a gray area (and I use this term in the literal sense, not the KC sense). We did not discuss message board postings. He didn't have a disclaimer to the effect that "all your postings are belong to me," but fair use would clearly allow him to use part of a posting. On the other extreme, it wouldn't allow him to collect and publish the entire collected postings of a single poster.
Disclaimer: I am not (yet) a lawyer, I am not your lawyer, I am not Galina's divorce lawyer, I am definitely not KC or Nigel's lawyer, and this is not legal advice, etc., etc...
Anonymous,
You beat me to it!
Lloyd's win-win! article is worth a read...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/05/04/carollloyd.DTL&hw=win+win&sn=001&sc=1000
anon @ 9:32 AM:
Your bitterness with your own life is transparent.
Other than having to do the bar review "thingy," my life is actually pretty good right now. I have supportive friends and family, I am not facing foreclosure, and I have a job waiting for me...
Bitter old people make me laugh (and upsetting them is so easy).
LOL!
Not so upsetting than entertaining. Nothing like sweeping generalizations to brighten everyone's day. Idealistic, ignorant youths make me laugh.
LOL!
"Your bitterness with your own life is transparent."
Wow, no sweeping generalizations to be found here.
I think most of the people who post here are reasonably happy with their lives, and just find Casey's story either amusing/frustrating. Of course, this is because I project my own feelings on others, and that's how I feel. How about you?
Re:
>>Actually, I'm a 26 year old corporate attorney. I've got the day out of the office to work on some discovery, so I figured I'd hit the blogs a bit.<<
Show us your super ninja powers, blog hitter.
a book about a blog?!
booooring
however the more attention Casey get the more the MBS holders of crap alt-a and subprime liar loans get scared.
lets hope when the world reads caseys book - he takes the world down with him. lets not forget everything he touches turnz to haterz.
Actually, I'm a 26 year old corporate attorney. I've got the day out of the office to work on some discovery, so I figured I'd hit the blogs a bit.
Why has the name "Brian S Nick" just popped into my head?
everything he touches turnz to haterz.
Not *that's* good material.
It's sort of sad how true it is, because the majority of us came to his blog initially, and stuck around because we felt bad for him, and thought he was really interested in advice and encouragement.
Of course, that only lasted a few posts--when his blantant idiocy was revealed. Then one by one, we got more and more frustrated. Now it's well beyond frustration. It's resignation and mild amusement.
C'est la vie, I suppose.
Our anonymous friend is trolling with the old "you haters are just jealous of Casey" hook. That bait is long since stale.
Fun with Nigel -- can anyone come up with a more strained joke than this little gem from his recent flirtation with the dark side at DHC:
It didn't mean jaunts to Phoenix, Utah or Lake Tahoe. Wait a second, I live in Utah, so it did mean a trip there, but I only went to work and home. That was it!
Comedy is not his strong point.
He really lacks strong-points altogether, except an irrational need to have the attention Casey is getting focused on him.
Stephanie, Nigel is starved for attention. He's the kid in Grade school who people hung out with because he's the one who would jump off the swings, throw basketballs at cars during recess and drink milk till he threw up.
Anon Fatso:
"Actually, I'm a 26 year old corporate attorney. I've got the day out of the office to work on some discovery, so I figured I'd hit the blogs a bit."
Sez you.
26 years old? A corporate attorney, huh?
So...you're allowed to bring coffee to the Partners when they're in a meeting with the client, huh?
And maybe serve out your apprenticeship by doing research and writing letterhead "nasty-grams".
Piss-poor attitude towards fraud for an Officer of the Court to have.
A reasonable person would think that an esquire would hold the Laws in higher regard than you apparently do.
You won't be MY lawyer, I'll guarantee you that.
"Actually, I'm a 26 year old corporate attorney"
And you think this is something to brag about? We need another attorney like we need another Casey. Shut the hell up you child. That attorney line may work with the babes at the local pickup bar, but frankly, just out of Law School, you are probably some low level flunky doing paper work for more seasoned lawyers. Corporate attorney lol, yeah buddy, just like Casey is a real estate investor/entrepreneur.
I did three years of law school. People who brag about it, "im a corporate attorney" gives lawyers like me a bad name.
I immediately joined the US Army as a Judge Advocate General; Did 6 years of that, spent time in Kosovo and Iraq, and am now working for a very large city government.
There isnt a reason to brag. Learn to be humble.
@anon 10:41
Thank you for your service, and I take back what I said about lawyers as it pertains to you. It sounds like you went into law for the right reasons.
Anyone who brags about being a 'corporate' attorney is obviously in it for the money.
if anon is a "corporate attorney" why is he off doing "discovery".
"Discovery" is something one sees in litigation, not straight corporate practice.
If anon were engaged in business or corporate litigation, you'd think he'd come out and say it, as that would only make his argument stronger. A typical coporate attorney isn't nearly as much of an authority on fraud as a corporate litigator.
"I'm a 26 year old corporate attorney"
OK, so BFD - you went to college and have a job and a boss. That doesn't make you a special snowflake in spite of what your mother told you. Get over yourself.
I'm a globe-trotting systems integration consultant who lives in the US and has worked in Europe and Asia. And, that makes me exactly nobody special here (my mom is quite impressed, though) - just another voice.
"Not so upsetting than entertaining. Nothing like sweeping generalizations to brighten everyone's day. Idealistic, ignorant youths make me laugh."
Attorney comment was in response to the deep fryer attack, not bragging, Mr. "I was in Kosovo, JAG." Nothing but respect for your service, nothing but laughter for your comment.
And Stephie J., YOUR statement makes ME laugh, "Not so upsetting than entertaining. Nothing like sweeping generalizations to brighten everyone's day. -->Idealistic, ignorant youths make me laugh.." You remind me of another poster on another blog that's equally annoying. I wonder if you're aka Gwy...
Let's make today contradictory statements day!
To the law students, good luck, get old barbri books on ebay now. The summaries are excellent for class, and it'll make bar review a snap. Must not get sucked into haterz world, although this is more fun than reading repetitive casey bashes. I'd love to banter, but i need to getsome billables in. i hope to rejoin later, even though i know i'm an EN haterz
I work with a corporate attorney on occasion. He gets to read the vendor contracts and SMLAs that I negotiate. Then he makes sure the language and details are all there and then makes the vendor add our standard corporate addendum. Sexy!
Sharky:
“True enough, but if hypothetically, Casey sees any measurable cash from his story, you can bet that the entities he screwed are going to sic their lawyers on him like beagles after a fox.”
Respectfully, that is wishful thinking.
If there is a “book deal” in the works it very likely doesn’t entail lots of royalty cash, advances, or the like. Remember Casey is a young (new) author with a diminishing story (one that has no legs or broad market), appealing to a very select group.
Lender recovery protocols aren’t as aggressive as you may believe after REO, for instance, mostly referring deficiencies out to traditional collection agents who take on the responsibility of litigating for recovery; and, rarely do collection agencies engage this line. Many reasons for the latter, not the least of which is expense and prove-ups (supportive evidence which more often than not isn’t provided adequately from original sources -- subject lenders).
Now while you and others are free to SPECULATE all you’d like, almost 24 years in the Asset Recovery business tells me the lenders will be (are being) very cautious about pursuing Serin.
Successfully prosecuting a fraud case isn’t as cut and dry as many folks believe, even though the alleged perpetrator freely admits wrongdoing. There are many factors to consider, among them actual losses sustained; and, to date, those aren’t cost-effective in terms of litigating for recovery or submitting a claim on criminal grounds (even if Serin DOES make a little money from a book deal).
As much as some folks wish to ignore the fact; the probabilities are starkly against either litigation for recovery or criminal prosecution against Serin.
In the REAL WORLD of lending it’s not always what one can prove, but how much good money after bad a subject lender is prepared to through at the issues. Albeit I’m NOT claiming noting will be done, only that any triggers toward litigation and/or criminal prosecution will be well thought and tactically pursued (all of which take much time to develop); and, a lender MAY NOT desire to devote such accordingly.
And FYI, I’m NOT Fatso “corporate attorney” whom made remarks earlier. :)
Fatso Anonymous:
"Attorney comment was in response to the deep fryer attack, not bragging, Mr. "I was in Kosovo, JAG." Nothing but respect for your service, nothing but laughter for your comment."
So...I gotcha...it stung.
You're a punk.
You laid your projections on people exercising their prerogatives, got smacked down, and then needed to "show us your dick"
And nobody's impressed, with your projections in your "haterz/looserz" spiel OR your "corporate attorney" hogwash.
"To the law students, good luck, get old barbri books on ebay now. The summaries are excellent for class, and it'll make bar review a snap."
Yes, greenhorn lawyers! By all means listen to this clown.
I won't be hiring him, or any so-called "lawyer" with such an unprofessional attitude towards his "rice-bowl"
(Lame attempt at appealing to your juniors, hotshot. Did it occur that if they've got the "sand" to get into law school, then they've probably already sourced their own research and prep materials?)
"I'd love to banter, but i need to getsome billables in. "
And a nice work ethic. He's getting paid, purportedly, to do discovery, but he's spending his day "bantering".
Yeah...this is an "attorney" to be emulated.
This fellow, if he really IS a lawyer is Casey Serin with a law degree.
Draw yer own conclusions.
@26-yo-attorney-dude:
Have fun doing discovery for the next 12 hours.
Oh, and get the senior partner some more coffee while you're at it. After all, you've only got 7 more years to kiss his wrinkled butt before he votes on whether or not you make partner.
Asset Recovery Anon:
"Lender recovery protocols aren’t as aggressive as you may believe after REO, for instance, mostly referring deficiencies out to traditional collection agents who take on the responsibility of litigating for recovery; and, rarely do collection agencies engage this line."
In REO, perhaps, but I wasn't limiting my observation to REO exclusively.
CashCall and the Credit Card companies that he's stiffing come to mind, not to mention God knows who else he may have played games with.
And sure, this is highly speculative...I mean, honestly, it's all predicated on Serin having two honestly unborrowed dimes to rub together, a knack for which he has shown absolutely ZERO capacity.
But it DOES pass the time, does it not?
However it shakes out, this putz next ten years look like they're going to be 1000 miles of bad road.
Sharky:
“ CashCall and the Credit Card companies that he's stiffing come to mind, not to mention God knows who else he may have played games with.
And sure, this is highly speculative...I mean, honestly, it's all predicated on Serin having two honestly unborrowed dimes to rub together, a knack for which he has shown absolutely ZERO capacity.
But it DOES pass the time, does it not?”
Agreed! ;)
Although, as long as we’re passing the time discussing this... Cash Call and Credit Card lenders are among the worst original creditors when it comes to actually litigating. (They threaten a good game, but generally only prosecute civil claims when assets are known; and you know where Casey stands there.)
Whereas, from what I understand (directly from Serin I might add during a recent interview) cash Call was a legit loan for all intent and purposes; no fraud present. Credit cards are also legit and unsecured trade lines -- mostly charged off in cases of non-performance, again, being selectively pursued to judgment stage.
The unsecured debt should not be Serin’s concern, it is the MORTGAGES that lose money as a result of fraud that he needs to worry about.
“Actually, I'm a 26 year old corporate attorney. I've got the day out of the office to work on some discovery, so I figured I'd hit the blogs a bit."
Hey 26 year corporate douche bag. Wild guess here, did you happen to get your law degree from Nouveau Law University?
Can someone point me to the specific post when Anon the 26 year-old corporate attorney made any infuriating comments? In scanning the page, I didn't see anything all that inflammatory--although I might have missed it.
TIA.
You guys are the biggest group of idiots I have ever come across, fuck its funny.
walt526 sounds like that idiot corporate attorney. go do some research then come back and spew.
if you beleive that then.
@ 26 y/old Corp Atty:
Bull Shit. You must be on the "slow track" at your firm and know that you won't be making partner to have time to "check-out" blogs.
Do your partners and clients know that your precious "billable" time is being wasted on internet surfing.
yayy corporate attorney sure does sound like he knows what hes talking about. google bar review books brings up Barbri comes up #3. oh look for a set at ebay thanks for the hot tip. J@CK@SS.
i am an attorney too. and made partner already and am 22 years old. jerk.
Nice defensive interpretation, Anon. Speaks volumes.
The contradictory statement was made to poke fun at you, goober.
Sweeping generalization: Example to reflect yours... Get it? Do I need to make you a diagram perhaps?
LOL
All the wondering about the book income is irrelevant, because:
"But since Casey is such a slacker he won't get the book deal done"
Word. The man can't sign and return a contract. He can't open his mail. He can't visit a property every week or two to do some basic maintainance.
I work in writing/editing. There is no freaking way he's got the stamina to actually do the work. And he's not famous enough or likely to sell enough books for a publisher to actually pay a ghost. Cause ghosts actually, y'know, get paid.
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Stephanie:
”Nice defensive interpretation, Anon. Speaks volumes”
Well, Stephanie, if you are referring to my comments above (and I’m not saying you were); rest assured my take was not “defensive” but factual. Albeit, you are of course entitled to a differing opinion.
@ the 26 year old Corporate lawyer,
Wow, I'm impressed. A whole 2 years out of law school. What area of Corporate Law do you practice? What state did you pass the Bar? What was your score?
I call BS. I'm a 20 year veteran in the field. I don't go bragging on blogs about my profession. If I employed a newbie lawyer like you and I gave you the day for "discovery" and found you blogging, I'd pack up your things and fire you.
With apologies to the writers of Animal House:
Casey: The monkey dance is just a way to pay the bills until I finish my novel.
Nigel: How long you been workin' on it?
Casey: Four and a half years.
Nigel: It must be very good.
Casey: It's a piece of shit. Would anyone like to smoke some pot?
Hello, everyone. May I join in?
The whole book-writing process strikes me as odd. I just said as much on IAFF but who knows when/if that will get posted.
A real publisher will not get involved with hours-long brain dumps from authors. Nor will a real editor, who is the one usually working day-to-day with the author.
Editors work with manuscripts, not brain dumps, and they want them publishable, not drafts. The only ones who might would be a ghostwriter.
I really doubt his "publisher" paid for a ghostwriter, though. It's more like this is going to be a slapdash job through a print-on-demand outfit with no distribution and no marketing budget. Hence, no sales.
But who is paying for the transcriber? I can't believe someone would transcribe an entire book for free. If they know anything about publishing they know to get their money upfront when dealing with a fly-by-night.
Even when Casey writes a book, he can't even actually write it.
Why do I keep punishing myself by reading his blog?
:::Yawn:::
I tend to think he's going with one of those "pay to play" vanity outfits. But I know very little about the industry, so I could be wrong.
Check these guys:
PUBLISH AMERICA
A few budding authors I know use this company's services. These wannabes have no illusions. The deal PA offers is fair enough. It is not "real" publishing, but it's a great way to get in print, if the mere existence of bound, printed matter with your name on it is an important thing to you. Impress your doddering mom!
Ouch, Casey Fann..
*Some* pretty decent writers started off with the self publishing you know.
I know one guy who insists on self-publishing as a means of maintaining total control over his work - he seems to think that being edited by someone else is tantamount to handing his children over to an escaped lunatic with a machete.
Which is a shame, as he badly needs a decent editor. There's some good stuff there, but it's sloppily written, badly proofread and structurally wobbly, and pretty heavy going as a result. All the things you'd expect from a book that's essentially been written and published by an amateur.
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