Wednesday, May 16, 2007

Duane LeGate Part 0

Mr. LeGate will be providing me with the raw stream. I will format and get his approval. The posts will appear at the top of blog. Duane's own words:

I think it may be easier for the gang to follow if we start from day 1... however... I may not have the timeline down pat as I have not kept everything in the inbox... so... I have to look into the inbox.. deleted items... and phone calls from memory... something will bound to get lost in translation.....

You blog guys scare me... if I dare make a mistake and say X... someone will google and say ....BUUTTTT wait a minute... 7 months ago you said X plus Y.... I will blog every detail I know on the following conditions...
[...]
I can nail his butt....... I don't mind opening myself up to a can of worms... so be it... I just want what little story I can add to the saga to be as accurate as possible...


I say fair enough.

185 comments:

Anonymous said...

el firsto

Orson Buggy said...

MURST!

Sprezzatura said...

Werd.

Orson Buggy said...

@ Mr. Legate (note the respect here)

Let's declare a blanket "To the best of my recollection" to your recounting of your associations with Snowflake.

Mermaiden said...

YAY!

The Dude said...

The game is afoot!

Stephanie J. said...

I will not quibble on silly details. You don't *have* to be doing this for any of us; considering our ire towards you when you were helping Casey. Therefore, I declare that I'm happy with *anything* of interest you're willing to provide for our enjoyment and am grateful for it.

Thank you, Duane.

Property Flopper said...

I second Orson Buggy's blanket immunity - We won't play fact police if minor details are missed or times are switched.

We're interested in the information and a "best recollection" is perfectly alright. Far better than what we're getting from Casey.

unbelievable said...

Let the show begin (rubbing hands together gleefully)!!

lawnmower man said...

That sounds fair enough to me too.

In vaguely related speculation: I noticed that there's somewhat of a contradiction in what Nigel and Casey (via Duane) are saying about his $10K offer for IAFF.

Nigel publicly broke up with Casey at the end of March; but Casey's email to Duane on the 25th of April says "One guy(Nigel) is offering 10K." Nigel now says "I did make an offer to buy Casey's site, but he ended up passing."

Soooo.... Did Nigel go back to Casey with a new why-don't-I-buy-IAFF-outright? offer after the previous attempt at a partnership flamed out? (That might explain why Foreclosure Avoiders is still fallow -- Nigel was hoping for a richer plot to plant in.)

Or was Casey talking up a previous offer from Nigel to sound impressive to Duane? (This also sounds plausible: Casey has a long history of believing that offers remain open indefinitely, regardless of his behavior.)

lawnmower man said...

We won't play fact police if minor details are missed or times are switched.

Note however that Nigel might: he'll probably be running posts on his "alternate" blog to issue "clarifications".

Dolph said...

Duane,

Thanks for setting the record straight. I for one believe that this group will not eat you alive or whatever Nigel is selling. I find if you are upfront and honest with this group, they tend to be fairminded. There will always be an element of the readership (aka trolls) that enjoy nitpicking points. There are other elements, as you know, that will want to believe Nigel and Casey's POV on this matter.

So keep this in mind...you will be providing a first person account of events with regards to doing business with Casey. Since you have all the emails and facts to back you up, there is nothing Nigel or Casey can do about it but post counterpoints. They've blown their credibility so there won't be much there to worry about ;)

Tony Soprano said...

Man, 1 week off and it takes me another week just to catch up and just in time for Duane! Whoo hoo! Time for a Gimlet!

ps: was that some fucked up shit with Christopher or what? And Sonya? "UNGH!"

Aspeth said...

Sounds good....looking forward to the soup course!

lawnmower man said...

Soooo.... Did Nigel go back to Casey with a new why-don't-I-buy-IAFF-outright? offer after the previous attempt at a partnership flamed out?

Apparently so.

Stephanie J. said...

Yeah, Tony, what's up with that? Icing Christopher (like he wasn't a worthless, weak drain on society).

I used to feel sorry for the guy. I was kind of relieved T took him out.

Anonymous said...

Cue Nigel furiously sweating at his keyboard whilst reading this post

Blatz213 said...

Am I the only wiht snowflake's page coming up as suspended?

Anonymous said...

Is Zweg/Zewg the same as Pud / Phillip of FC semi-fame?

Mermaiden said...

Blatz213, you aren't alone. It is suspended for me also.

Tony Soprano said...

Once Tony saw Sonya, any remorse he had for snuffing out Christopher was out the window. C had to go sooner or later. I just figured Paulie Walnuts was gonna get the job. The real wild card is Vito Jr. Mark my words, he is coming back.

Tony Soprano said...

Still comes up for me.

Nigel's Guest Blogger said...

Ohhh Rob, you Haterz-tease... what a delectable preview. I hope it lives up to the expectations... i'm taking off my pants in anticipation.

Stephanie J. said...

I get the new site, but none of the links to 'read more' work.

Stephanie J. said...

I'm enjoying knowing that both Casey and Nigel are probably seething at the idea that Duane's contributions to EN are going to draw so much attention away from them.

Mermaiden said...

If KC makes me miss his begathon, I will be so pissed!

Anonymous said...

3:58

Not the same, but a spin off

Casey Fannnnn said...

Re:
>>The real wild card is Vito Jr. Mark my words, he is coming back<<

My thoughts exactly! You think Tony's the last man standing after a bloodbath finale, then BOOM, little Vito shows up and takes out Tony because Tony got him sent away to nazi abuse camp. I'm guessing, of course.

Back to the Casey show...

Nigel's Guest Blogger said...

Rob,

I really don't have much to offer except catchy little nuggets that seem to catch on (Nigel Swaby, Axe user).

Therefore I would like to suggest a title for these threads that seems appropriate (man, I hope noone posted this already).

I think it should be LeWaterGate

Benoit™ said...

Duane Legate opined in the blog topic: I can nail his butt....... I don't mind opening myself up

Hey, Nigel said the same very things about Casey!! And thus the idea for the now-infamous Utah Trip was conceived... ;-)

Signed, Benoit™, master of the out-of-context statement :)

Mermaiden said...

Benoit™, it creeps me out to have the Utah Trip and word 'conceived' in the same sentence.

I need something to erase the awful picture in my mind!

Endgame said...

@ Duane LeGate

Yessir - your conditions accepted & respected!

Talk to us...

BJ said...

Also, please don't use phrases like;
Nigel was hoping for a richer plot to plant in

Combined with Utah Trip and conceived.. too much for my looser™ W-2 brain right now.


@Duane
If you make a good effort to be straight and honest in your statements, I think most people other than RCS/Nigel/Casey posers will cut you quite a bit of slack. This group only slices up repeat-offenders™..

LossMitPro said...

Just out of curiosity who is Duane LeGate, someone who has done business with Casey before? Will one of you good folks point me to a site, or provide a link?

I am so not Casey said...

So who is going to donate at the bega-a-thon?

I am interested in donating $1,000.00, under my terms and subject to my conditions.

Who else will join me in helping Casey raise $10,000?

Come on, people! We have got to pitch in to make the world a better place.

Won't you be my neighbor?

Mermaiden said...

Nah, I'm not donating from my looser W-2 job. My money wouldn't be good enough. I just like to watch the show.

walt526 said...

"Just out of curiosity who is Duane LeGate, someone who has done business with Casey before? Will one of you good folks point me to a site, or provide a link?"

Duane operates a website or two dealing with real estate. According to both Casey and Duane, they started trading emails sometime last fall. Over the course of those exchanges, Duane offered Casey "mentoring" and whatnot (he was the "East Coast" guy, during the Phoenix NLL trip). Snowflake strung Duane along and flip-flopped on his offer to help.

At some point in January, Duane reached out again, this time offering Casey $1500/month (paid in two $750 payments) in exchange for ads on IAFF. But another part of the deal was that Casey had to take Duane's advice (among them, forget about real estate for six months, get a job, start negotiating with creditors to discharge debt, etc). Casey again failed to follow through, and so Duane canceled the deal after only one month.

When Duane first surfaced, a lot of haterz saw him as an unsavory opportunist (much like Nigel) and attacked him mercilessly. At the risk of going Nigel on this blog, I am proud to say that I was one of the few urging restraint with those criticisms (especially the personal attacks), that Duane was just a business man, etc.

Nigel/Casey are not completely off-base when they say that a good number of haterz jump to conclusions before having all the facts in front of them. While the prejudice may have been warranted more times than not, on occasion people get a lot of crap thrown in their direction without justification. Duane's probably the best example of that.

After the treatment that so many people here and on IAFF gave him, I'm very surprised that he's willing to share his story with us.

flailing forward said...

LossMitPro
Duane was Casey's sponsor in December/January. He paid him $1500/month in return for advertising. Part of the deal was that Casey had to get his act together, and the deal fell apart when Casey didn't accomplish anything. Then Casey approached Duane about buying the site, let him do a bunch of legwork on the deal, and then changed his mind and blew him off. Casey has recently been seeing ad revenue and decided to keep the site. When he started trolling the other day about how he might sell the site, it pissed Duane off and led to this.

With a name like LossMitPro, too bad you didn't find out about Casey sooner. It's a foreign concept to the Case Man.

lawnmower man said...

@LossMitPro: provide a link?

IAFF is down for me, but if you have access to it start at:
Introducing I am Facing Foreclosure Sponsors.

(If not: Google cache.)

Duane took a lot of flak in Casey's comments. As I remember it, he seemed at the time to be making a genuine, if somewhat naive, attempt to help Casey.

Benoit™ said...

Assuming the beg-a-thon is conducted through PayPal again, PayPal does random credit checks on their users and has been known to close accounts at their whim (returning any funds to the account owner via a check). Similar to how a bank account may not let someone with a sufficiently low credit score open a checking account, PayPal does the same thing -- so I'm somewhat surprised Casey's account is still active.

PayPal also takes their TOS very seriously, so I'm betting if someone were to write to the appropriate e-mail address and say that Casey Serin was selling pornographic material using their service (obviously a lie), PayPal would not hesitate to terminate the account.

lawnmower man said...

Duane offered Casey "mentoring" and whatnot (he was the "East Coast" guy, during the Phoenix NLL trip).

He was? I didn't realize that "East Coast Mentor" had ever been named.

If that's so, Duane has had even more patience with Casey than I had thought.

flailing forward said...

Duane's site is RE News Network

flailing forward said...

Walt, are you sure Duane was the East Coast Mentor?

Endgame said...

I don't recall reading that Duane was 'east coast mentor'. Maybe so - I don't remember it.

Also, in most of the country Atlanta is not considered East Coast (here in the Midwest, it's in the South).

C-Corp Man said...

Benoit,

It's not so much a credit check as it's watching how much comes into the account and the feeling that the user will have people file claims.

Reading all the horror stories over the years has proven that PP will take large amounts of money seriously and possibly freeze his account until they can figure out why he's getting so much at once.

lawnmower man said...

FWIW, the IAFF post I linked above has a comment from Casey in which he mentions both East Coast Mentor and Duane LeGate as if they were separate people.

And rereading it, I realize we also have to thank Duane for introducing the adjective "shiny" to describe Casey's elusive opportunities.

The following exchange from those comments sums up the Duane/Casey relationship in a nutshell:

Duane:

I am trying to work with Casey to do the following:

1) Stop chasing the shiny object.
2) Forget about real estate for a minimum of 6 months (one step at a time folks)
3) Monetize his best asset (technology and blogging skills)
4) Contact ALL debtors and work out a plan
5) Pay back over time everyone he as intentionally or unintentionally screwed.
6) No more seminars
7) Responsibility for his actions


Casey:

Duane of HBN and REI.TV wants me to “Forget about real estate for a minimum of 6 months”. That’s going to be very hard. Hey if we can find a way to pay back and/or settle my debts through some other vehicle I’m all for it. I’m not giving up on real estate though.

Duane wanted Casey to act responsibly. Casey couldn't.

LossMitPro said...

walt526 @ 5:14 PM:
”When Duane first surfaced, a lot of haterz saw him as an unsavory opportunist (much like Nigel) and attacked him mercilessly.

Thanks Walt (and others), you’re a gent! And I can’t say honestly the same possibility (as quoted above) hasn’t crossed my mind concerning my interests with Casey. But you people seem a fair-minded bunch, so my initial concerns there are somewhat abated.

Your explanation makes allot more sense to me now, and ties in with a few things Casey told me when we first met. I think Duane’s offer and compensation would have been a good move for Casey, but then I wasn’t around back then and it’s not my function to tell Casey how to run his life (other than mortgage related aspects).

Anyway appreciate the heads up (and the other comments too), bringing me up to speed on the history. And man, I’m learning there is sooooo much of it! :)

Duane LeGate said...

Good evening all, just got back from my sons hockey game, didnt know Mr. Dawg had this header up. I am going to try and give Rob a timeline tommorow.. but I want to say a few things tonight.. but before I do I have to admit.. I just opened a bottle of 2 buck chuck, sat down at the computer and read this...

"At 4:32 PM, Benoit™ said...
Duane Legate opined in the blog topic: I can nail his butt....... I don't mind opening myself up

Hey, Nigel said the same very things about Casey!! And thus the idea for the now-infamous Utah Trip was conceived... ;-)

Signed, Benoit™, master of the out-of-context statement :)

"

OKAY!!! I about lost it, that wasa one of the funniest things I have ever read... the problem with my writing is A) I am not a good writer.. B) I write things in such a way that I give the Benoits of the world the proverbial "ball on a tee" and they knock it right out of the park.. :-)

Another thing I must warn you on is sometimes I get going so fast that my writings might have a 1,4,2,3,5 flavor instead of a 1,2,3,4,5 or in caseys case -12345 (sorry couldnt resist)..

Another thing is that I dont want this massive build up like I know who was behind the grassy knoll... I dont know about the penny stocks.. I have limited knowledge of Nigel, I AM NOT THE EAST COAST MENTOR, what I do have is a unique insight into the inner workings of the kid known as Caseys brain...

If you guys want to ask me some questions I will answer... just know that it might be jumbled in comparison with a timeline...

wait for a timeline.. or answer questions.. your call.. I will be blog reading for the rest of the night...

And oh btw... I really dont think people should go to butterflys site and post... he stole the postings FROM HERE.. pasted them on his own site, twisted a story for his own benefit...

I will debate butterfly on any subject ond blow him out of the water... but I will do it here..

I am also going to repost a response here to butterfly to make sure he sees it...

BRB

Rob Dawg said...

Another thing I must warn you on is sometimes I get going so fast that my writings might have a 1,4,2,3,5 flavor instead of a 1,2,3,4,5 or in caseys case -12345 (sorry couldnt resist)..

Just so long as it isn't 2-7-5-9 style. ;-)

I am also going to repost a response here to butterfly to make sure he sees it...

Nigel reads this blog more than he does his own so that a good idea.

BTW isn't that the "Wheatgrassy Knoll?"

BJ said...

Don't say blow in reference to Nigel or Casey, Utah Trip.. etc.. not safe. Gives Benoit™ an open hole (oops).

Duane LeGate said...

Here is a post from an earlier thread directed towards butterfly:

Butterfly,

I forgot to bust you on this...

Within your cut and paste breaking story you commented...

Butterfly stole a bunch of posts from Dawgs site… it mainly had to do with me… Nigel seems to imply in one of his responses that I was asking him to interview me… NOW THAT IRRITATES the hell out of me.
My words posted in Nigels response

"We chatted, I didnt want to continue with any relationship" my words...

Butterflys response"

"Then why did you ask me to call you to do an interview?"

S)>>>This is how he views things... i musta sought him out, with him being an award winning blogger and all... and begged him to do a story on us...

What really happened??

from his SLC blog...

"Update - 2:37 p.m. (MST)

Duane LeGate called me. We had a nice chat. He sounds like a real Southern gentleman. We're going to talk some more next week and I'll may have a profile about his business and how it works."

Ok remember now the only reason i called him was to let him know about casey and why he was down..

so now he may have a profile of my business.... then he responds again today regarding this same subject...

from his cut and paste breaking story -

"I called him back a few times as he requested, but the messages went unanswered. "

So your version of the story is this...

I called you to ask you to interview me on your blog, then I wouldnt call you back??

What does that tell you Butterfly??

Casey Fannnnn said...

Re:
>>Who else will join me in helping Casey raise $10,000?<<

Conditions: The $10,000 will be in a envelope taped to a bowling ball dropped from a thirtieth-story window. Casey must catch it. With his face. Before it hits the ground.

Duane LeGate said...

Dawg.. I WILL TRY ... your a word smith.. interpret as needed!

The Loan Ranger said...

Duane,

What is your take on the NLL "contract"?

Duane LeGate said...

opps... instead of your... you're...

BJ said...

Ok.. Need a momentary interpreter..

Butterfly = Nigel
Snowflake = Casey

Right?

walt526 said...

Mea culpa. For some reason I thought that Duane had been identified by Casey as the East Coast Mentor. Obviously I'm conflating things as fast as Snowflake.

Thanks for digging up that old thread, lawnmower man. Its a kick to read our old posts.

Buttfly said...

Why did Buttfly quit using the pleather/BMW icon on has DHC posts?

Jade said...

so...tell us about Casey! I am dying to hear!

walt526 said...

"Butterfly = Nigel
Snowflake = Casey"

Correct. We really need an EN wiki.

Nigel is also often referred to as "Cornflake," "The Bald Blunder," "The Flaming Queen of SLC," and "That Fucking Asshole."

Early on, I tried to get "Looser Boy" to stick as Casey's nickname, but it never came close to competing with Snowflake. But whatever.

lawnmower man said...

Thanks for digging up that old thread, lawnmower man. Its a kick to read our old posts.

Plus it contains the pinnacle of all things Casey: his "Opportunities just come to me. It’s kind of magical." ego-buffing comment.

BJ said...

Ok.. just wanted to check..

I can translate "The Bald Blunder", "The Flaming Queen of SLC" and "TFA"..

Cornflake, doesn't really stir a Nigel image for me.

I think the Snowflake is a good one for Casey though.. a little light from truth and sunshine and he melts and is gone.. about as stable as a snowflake on a summer day.

Nigel's Guest Blogger said...

Duane,

What -one- word would you use to describe Casey Serin?

BJ said...

TFA could be
That Flaming Asshole
or
That Fucking Asshole
.. or??

bub said...

Gee I don't know buttfly is better than butterfly to describe that malovolent piece of shitstain swaby,

just my opinion

Larry King said...

Next we have Nigel from Salt Lake City Utah.

Salt Lake City, Utah- You're on.....

Salt Lake; What is your question for Duane Legate?......

Salt Lake?........

Salt Lake City?......


Moving on. Let's hear from Rob in SoCal.....

Duane LeGate said...

CRAP.. i just answered rangers post.. and the blog tripped on me.. it was long.. lemme anser some short ones then re-type

One word for Casey (is this one or two) Bi-polar

seriously.. my sister has it.. its scary the similarities..

yeah i call Nigel butterfly.. i saw it on some blog and thought it was perfect... always wanting to suck the nectar out of the flower..
(Benoit I need you here..)

Dumbfounded said...

Duane, 14235 sounds great! You get all the slack you want from me. Just watch out you don't hang yourself now. :)

slick said...

test

BJ said...

Well looks like TFA did try to suck the nectar™ from Casey.. but the well may have been dry. Same problem that Galina may be having...

BJ standing in for Benoit™

BJ said...

Hard to suck nectar™ from a limp flower...

ok.. I'll leave the rest to Benoit™

bub said...

@Duane

If you were truly wise to the ways of Nigellan you'd definitely drop the E in butterfly.

Nectar, flowers not our shitstain no morals integrity last swabtard!

Aspeth said...

Hi Duane,

I'd just like to hear your take on the whole thing; your timeline. And if you're up for it, would love if you'd answer questions for each segment. Otherwise, I think details get lost pretty easily.

Thanks again for joining the conversation. This is a treat!

Anonymous said...

Hi -

So Casey wants another beg-a-thon.

Here's my take. He's gotten some press (albeit, not so positive) that mentioned the beg-a-thon from March 30.

Now he has new readers who want to know more about this "most hated person on the internet." So, his traffic is spiking, and like many of us, initially you feel bad for the little guy.

So, the beg-a-thon is for these new loverz of snowflake.

The question is, what will be the purpose of his beg-a-thon??? Is cashcall breaking down the door?? Did his mother discover he used a cash-advance on his corporate credit card to pay SIL five months rent and the trip to Tahoe with no income to repay the funds?

Here are the possible posts Casey will publish on Friday to support his beg-a-thon:

Galina's pregnant and we need money for medical insurance.

CashCall came and took SIL's furniture, appliances and stuff.

Galina's decided we need "space" and asked me to move out. I need $$ for deposit, first and last month's rent.

I need to file BK, but the attorney wants a $5,000 retainer.

We are out of $$ with no food in the house (shows picture of empty refrigerator)


And, here is how the money will "disappear":

A new stereo for the Jetta

New shoes for Galina

A new murse

Re-purchase the video camera

A "life is a bitch and we need to get-a-way to Napa" trip over Memorial Day weekend.

Jamba Juice

Dinner at (insert any restaurant here)

Some insert drug of choice)

A prostitute (insert name here)

The only way I see this beg-a-thon working is if Casey gets Jerry Lewis to adopt him and offer to MC the event.

The Dude said...

Gotta question.....

Does anyone know what shade of green (with envy) Nigel is turning? You know this will deny him a second award winning story. He's thinking of the Gold Medal he ain't gonna get for his award winning blog. It will also cost him big bucks he was going to use to buy more Koi, that's fish, for his 25,000 gallon pond.

Benoit™ said...

BJ (a handle with its own double meaning... heh) has it pretty well covered.

Nigel. Butterfly. Butt-Fly. Suck. Nectar. Organic. Flower.

Double entendre overload :-)

Here's a good one... how are butterflies generally displayed in collections? That's right, PINS. Sadly, not Olympic ones... ;-)

bub said...

@ dude

Would that be shitstain olive green?

Nigel Swaby said...

@ The Dude:

That's 28,000 gallons. Please get your data correct before posting.

Duane LeGate said...

I wanted Casey to lay out everything in the beginning to see what kind of mess we had. He threw out that he had a deal with NLL as almost an afterthought. He told me what was in the contract, or at least what he thought was in the contract. I convinced him to send it to me and I would have my attorney look it over. I read it and I was floored…FLOORED. If taken literally, they owned his butt. I mean, he wouldn’t be able to sell lemonade on the side of the road with out them having a piece of the action.

I sent it to my attorney and he told me it was poorly written bordering on incoherent and there was no way that an attorney did it. He also said no court – any court in America would uphold the contract. I told him I was pressuring Casey to out Laverne and Shirley and expose the contract. He advised against it. Even thought he literally laughed at the contract, NLL could bring a nuisance suit in any forum. We may have to fly to phoenix and fight. We would win of course, but attorneys fees and out of district stuff would be costly. I made a business decision to proceed. I didn’t think there was any way in hell they would go after Casey or me, and if they did, I would make them match me dollar for dollar in fees just on principle alone. They tried to own Casey like a slave. Wrong is wrong. Anyway, I told Casey if we proceeded and they went after him, my attorney would represent him and I would cover the first ten thousand in fees. ( if the venue was in a place like AZ, I would have to get a different attorney)

You know the rest of the story… EXCEPT… after begging him to get this NLL thing taken care of..MANY MANY TIMES it still hangs out there… He always says.. “yeah, I need to take care of that..and then do NOTHING… all talk NO ACTION… that will be a consistent theme in this whole saga.. and he DID have a publisher contact him about a book deal and from my understanding, after he told them about the little thing hanging in the balance – the NLL deal – they haven’t contacted him again.


DAWG... I hope I am not reposting this thing for the 5th time.. for some reason my posts are getting nuked before they go live???

The Loan Ranger said...

Thanks, DL.

I have thought the thing was unenforceable since he posted it. The fact that he signed it, though, still speaks volumes for ability to operate in any kind of business environment.

BJ said...

… after begging him to get this NLL thing taken care of..MANY MANY TIMES it still hangs out there…

What would be the normal way to void the 'contract'? I would presume you would need to get "Laverne and Shirley(NLL)" to rescind (another document stating they are rescinding this one, signed by both)?

Not that it is really enforceable.. but it would be something one might have to contend with in the future.

Sprezzatura said...

he DID have a publisher contact him about a book deal and from my understanding, after he told them about the little thing hanging in the balance – the NLL deal – they haven’t contacted him again.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

lawnmower man said...

wait for a timeline.. or answer questions.. your call..

I agree with Aspeth: I think questions would be better held back until Duane has told the story. We only know what little Casey said about it on IAFF, and that's not very reliable.

But if you feel like answering questions now, Duane: digging into the Serin psyche would be interesting.

Rereading the IAFF comments, it seemed that you felt that Casey had a lot of potential but lacked discipline. (Nigel has also made similar statements.)

Do you still think that's true? And if so, in what areas could you see Casey succeeding? Does he have any potential as an entrepreneur?

Also from that IAFF thread:

Jobu: I hope you have experience de-programming brainwashed cultists, because in all seriousness, that is almost what you are dealing with here.

Duane: You are CLOSER to the truth in that statement than you will ever know.

How much of Casey's behavior is intrinsic and how much is a result of the real-estate and personal-development guru stuff he's swallowed?

In other words, if Casey had never stumbled upon Kiyosaki, The Secret, and the rest, would he still be off in fantasyland chasing the shiny objects?

(My vote is "yes" -- he's mentioned several times that he always wanted to be an entrepreneur -- but that the guru claptrap has fed his fantasies to the point at which he's completely dissociated from the reality of his abilities.)

Duane LeGate said...

BJ,

Joy Odays attorney call him as recenlty (going off memory) as March... he could file a motion... they should just back out.. either way.. THEY DO have him by the balls... via a nusiance suit. If oyu are going to pay Casey X for his story or anything else... and you have to go thru those 2 to get it done.. your gonna walk away...

HE HAS TO DEAL WITH IT. but it requires work.. you know what heppens when that word is spoken around him...

Jesse Jackson said...

Duane Legate, full of hate.
We just can't wait for you to pontificate.

BJ said...

It did look like the NLL (as a group) distanced themselves from one of the pair after the whole signed document issue blew up..

Anyway, onwards and more... continue

Orson Buggy said...

Duane, does Snowflake's aversion to the w-word remind you of Maynard G Krebs' similar feelings. And Snowflake's grooming is similar too.

Oh, and welcome to the Haterz. Rob? Show him the secret pawshake, willya?

Mr. Bubbles said...

Duane,

As predicted Nigey Poo is crying over at DHC. He's now posted a thread on you. Here's and excerpt:


"Quite the revelation. I'm only posting this to make some clarification. First of all, I question Duane's behavior on this. I know I've revealed some things that have happened between Casey and I, but only after it happened and there could be no further negative effect for Casey. I'm not out to ruin the guy. He makes plenty of mistakes on his own.

Yes, I did make an offer to buy Casey's site, but he ended up passing. Fine by me. It was his decision. Yes, I also knew about the LA job offer, but I would have never revealed that information to EN. Believe it or not, the offer came from someone who saw Casey on Suze Orman's show. I guess media can pay off.

Here's the true revelation though folks. Duane was paying Casey for several months after the whole NLL deal went down. They simply said the deal was dead, but Casey kept the links up and Duane kept paying. Haterz interference is what caused Duane to turn on "silent running" mode so I am quite shocked Duane would now resurface spill his guts(z?) to the EN world.

I'm not surprised Duane would say "Watch Nigel" though. For what it's worth I always told Casey to listen to Duane as I did not want to jeopardize anything good he may have in the works. If you recall, Duane is the one who originally contacted me. Once he "solved" his problem, his interest in me vanished. I called him back a few times as he requested, but the messages went unanswered.

I don't wish Duane any ill will. He's admitted he's unfamiliar with the goings on of the Internet so I don't blame him for his current behavior. Certainly it's frustrating to work with Casey Serin as well. I am sure there is some one out there who can reach Casey. I just know it's not me and it's clearly not Duane LeGate. Welcome to the haterz Duane, but watch out because they eat their own."



Care to comment? He basically is calling you a liar. What a major asswipe. He's beyond jealous that you chose EN to out Snowflake on instead of his award winning blog.

I don't know whom I despise more, Snowflake or Buttfly.

Not Nigel said...

DLFoH,

You may have inside info: But DO YOU HAVE AN INSIDE POOL?

Aspeth said...

Holy shite...KC was actually contacted by a publisher?!? I wanna know who!!!

(I'm thinking I get a couple of monkeys, some typewriters, kick back with a jug of moonshine and wait for the sweet passive income to come to me after they knock out a couple-dozen award winners!)

So Duane, when you say that the publisher never contacted him again, does that mean that KC was just spewing more b.s. when he talked about "doing the brain dump for the publisher to clean up" ???

BJ said...

@Orson Buggy the Maynard G Krebs reference had me checking.. interesting.. possibly similar down to looks?

Krebs being fictional though.

Sprezzatura said...

@aspeth -- my guess is Snowflake is working with one of those self-publishing outfits. Or he's lying to a new publisher by not telling them about the NLL contract. Take your pick.

Duane LeGate said...

Mr Mower,

Heres the wild thing, if Casey took an IQ test, he would test WAY better than most of the people here. I dont mean any dis-respect to the people here, but he is indeed smart. BUT, he isnt WIRED right. So to your 2nd part.. the guru stuff in my opinion already fit nicely into his brain... IE yes. he still would be chasing shiny things.. just maybe not in real estate.

here goes the 14325 thing..

to the beginning of your post..

potential but lacks discipline.. do i still feel that way?

Sorta.. but ALOT of things would have to happen and the start and end with MR. Serin. You see I DO feel he has bipolar.. my sister is a freaking genious her IQ qualifys her for Mensa… however when she isn’t on her meds, (and I can ALWAYS tell) she is the ost self destructive person in Georgia.

Casey still feels he has a winning formula and that for whatever reason the deck has been stacked against him thus far. He has a very high opinion of himself and he only wants to surround himself with people that agree with him.

Anonymous said...

Duane - they have Casey by the balls because YOU told him to publish the contract. Doesn't that seem wrong to you?

Duane LeGate said...

Mr Bubbles..

I didnt have a blogger account so i posted all my reponses on robs blog. Miguel copied them and posted to DHC under his name I also posted my final response here that I dont think was copied to DHC... Dont post there.. All butterfly is doing is stealing Dawgs content.. putting his BS spin on there and trolling... read.. Butterfly is grabbing at straws

Shut up Nigel said...

@ anon:

The contract is the problem. DLFoH did not write or sign it.

Good night, Salt Lake.

JoanTheArch said...

He has a very high opinion of himself and he only wants to surround himself with people that agree with him.

Bipolar and a personality disorder? I'm tellin' ya -- this is going to end badly. Flee, Galina.

Duane LeGate said...

"At 6:38 PM, Aspeth said...
Holy shite...KC was actually contacted by a publisher?!? I wanna know who!!!

(I'm thinking I get a couple of monkeys, some typewriters, kick back with a jug of moonshine and wait for the sweet passive income to come to me after they knock out a couple-dozen award winners!)

So Duane, when you say that the publisher never contacted him again, does that mean that KC was just spewing more b.s. when he talked about "doing the brain dump for the publisher to clean up" ???

aspeth... DRUM ROLL... publisher was Simon Shuster (spelling)..

no i think he was talking about self publishing at that point..

BJ said...

@Anon
Argument/statement presupposes facts not in evidence.

Fact is, the contract was written and signed. That put it into force. The contract as written, means that Casey's publication rights were surrendered in trade for 'mentoring'. Publishing does not alter that fact.

Duane LeGate said...

At ANON
"Anonymous said...
Duane - they have Casey by the balls because YOU told him to publish the contract. Doesn't that seem wrong to you?

6:49 PM
"

Why youre brillant.. busted me.. I will now go back to my hole but before I do.. I need to run this little tidbit by you...

Casey signed the contract... if the contract is exposed or not... they STILL have him by the balls...

Nice try genious..

Aspeth said...

Anon 6:49...any more questions, Nigel?

BJ said...

JoanTheArch
This is why I 'soft-pedal' Galina's involvement. This is on concern of mine.. in particular when adding his attitude towards women and total disregard for what he has done to Galina's future.

Aspeth said...

Okay, I'll admit to a small surprised gasp at the legit publisher.

Followed by a lengthy eye roll.

And a mental reminder to check the inside flap the next time I'm buying books.

Larry King said...

Salt Lake?....

Salt Lake City?

Nigel Swaby, do you have a follow up for Duane Legate?.......

Looks like we've lost the connection.

Flailing Forward, what is your question?....

Casey Report Card said...

only wants to surround himself with people that agree with him
0% success
HE HAS TO DEAL WITH IT.
0% success (doesn't even matter what "it" is)
yeah, I need to take care of that..
0% success (doesn't even matter what "that" is)
find a winning formula
success calculator explodes

Duane LeGate said...

Ok gang.. Im on EST at 11pm, I turn into a pumpkin... I will answer anything, even from anon... but i type slowly and i only have an hour before lights out...

btw.. DAWG.. you knwo what I think is freaking HYSTERICAL??

Casey gets CNET and MSN exposure... and you have had like 5-6 topics today get more posts than Snowflake with all the media..

What would Nigel do for a blog if he didnt steal your content...

Anonymous said...

actually Duane you said they have him by the balls because of the possible nuisance suit. They have a possible nuisance suit because you told him to publish the contract.

Nigel Swaby Full of Shit said...

DL (FoH),

I apologize in advance if we are supposed to be holding questions. Please feel free not to answer if that is the case.

Do you know if Casey plans to file bk or pay anyone anything he owes or does he just think he can ride it out in his SIL's house until he hits it big?

Does the guy have a plan at all at this point or is he just waiting for lightning to strike?

Rob Dawg said...

Duane,
Nigel doesn't just steal content and ideas, he makes them up as well. In those case it is more correctly called; craptent. He's been all over the web SDCIA, Calculated Risk, Mish, a few other respected RE blogs. Everywhere he's gone he's left an ugly stain and a uniform peal of laughter at his whole deal.

Duane LeGate said...

At ANON...

No, they HAVE him by the balls period.. the contract is hanging and no company will deal with him with that contract out there... whether it was posted or not..

nuisance suit... they could file one anyway asswipe

Is this ALL the ammo you can muster... my 7 year old son could out debate you... go away gnat..

An authoritative and award winning web blogger said...

My post on jobs being key to real estate didn't make the final cut, but it did make the also ran list at the main carnival site.

Duane LeGate said...

A Nigel FULL OF ____

He cant file for BK.. that will bring down the house of cards... he stuck...

His plan?? changes weekly, daily, hourly, minutely, secondly...

I also dont want to get into too much detail here just yet..

JoanTheArch said...

He's been all over the web SDCIA, Calculated Risk, Mish, a few other respected RE blogs. Everywhere he's gone he's left an ugly stain and a uniform peal of laughter at his whole deal.

I can vouch for that.

Nigel Swaby said...

That is not a stain. It's my stickiness.

An aspiring and fragrant web journaliste said...

My post on koi being fish didn't make the final cut, but it did make the also ran list at the main carnival site.

0 comments

Mr. Bubbles said...

How do we know Nigel is hiding behind a free proxy surfer? That is too funny.

@ Dawg, I would copyright the entire content of this blog. That way Buttfly can't steal and paste without your permission.


Now THAT'S funny...

@ Duane, give is some odds on Snowflake;

1. filing BK
2. going to jail
3. getting a divorce
4.getting a job
5. leaving the country
6. paying back one penny owed.

This is great stuff. Thanks for the dirt.

Orson Buggy said...

Um, it seems to me that Snowflake signed the contract. And even though Duane suggested Snowflake posting it, Snowflake posted it.

I'd be interested in hearing the NLL ladies explain to a judge what legitimate reason they had for a NDA. And what mentoring they did, in fact, provide to uphold their side of the contract.

BJ said...


A nuisance suit is a suit that can not be won (because the contract is unenforceable), but can be brought to court forcing Casey to spend money, which he does not have, to defend himself... If he does not defend himself, he will lose the case even if the contract was not enforceable (default judgment).

Duane LeGate said...

Hey wanna here something funny... as I was diggin throguh old emails.. wait here goes the 14235 thing...

lemme back up.. for those that dont know, i also own a site called REI.TV. we are trying to teach real estate investing the right way.. conservatively.. anyway.. we were looking around the nation for people that had good actionable content, that was also ethical, moral, and no pie in the sky crap... we did a casting call thru 813 casting (suprisingly the same casting company that found my old buddy Sam Leccima the disgraced former co-host of Flip this House...) ANYWAY...

Guess who sent in a response pointing us to his AWARD WINNING blogger site....

non other than the man known as anon aka butterfly aka NIGEL...

Now I thought THAT WAS A HOOT!

BJ said...

Anon really sounds like Nigel...

The Loan Ranger said...

DL,

How would the value of the IAFF site be assessed if he were to sell it? You had mentioned the site dropping value due to him selling ads. Does he have any chance of effectively monetizing the thing at this point?

Orson Buggy said...

@BJ

Then I guess the wise thing for Snowflake to do would be to force the issue and take the NLL to court to have the contract voided. But of course, that would involve that pesky action verb "do" of which Snowflake is so fond of ignoring.

Duane LeGate said...

My Opinion only...

Duane, give is some odds on Snowflake;

1. filing BK 1 %
2. going to jail 50% (rising though)
3. getting a divorce 95% (I have no basis for this.. but come one... enough already)
4.getting a job 40% (contract or part time only -- 100% he doesnot hold it one month)
5. leaving the country 50%
6. paying back one penny owed. 0%

he really doesnt care and thinks all the debt was just a big whoops.. and now that is old news..

I gave him a plan AND THE RESOURCES. to make this happen...

ok this part is a teaser.. more to come tommorow.

Aspeth said...

Duane,

On Nigel filing an application...that IS a hoot! Sounds just like him!!!

Rob Dawg said...

Guys, everybody has questions. Give DL a break. It's only 7:30 here on the correct coast but Mr. L is stuck in some backwater outside of Terminus, Georgia. [N.B. Terminus was the original name of Atlanta because it ws that end of the line for the railroad at the time. Damn sunk some learnin' in when youse weren't lookin'.]

Aspeth said...

and just another reinforcement that Nigel doesn't write a lot of paper in that office in SLC...

flailing forward said...

Duane,
If you had bought IAFF, what would you have used it for? We're continually speculating on what anyone would be able to do with IAFF if they bought it. It seems like without trainwreck boy, interest would die. Is the sole value just IAFF's google position?

Orson Buggy said...

Oh, and Snowflake exercising some "wisdom", which is right up there with him "doing" something useful.

Vacant office?? said...

Hasn't anyone but me noticed that Casey's home office is cleaned out vacant in the CNET pic?

UncleC

BJ said...

@Rob Dawg
Thereby my statement in an earlier post..

I wish Nigel would realize that he is a fluke of the Universe, and that it is laughing behind his back...

He does forget:
Know what to kiss... and when!

He may have tried calling Ken though..


It is from National Lampoon, and it is called Deteriorata!

Nigel takes himself way to seriously and is self important.

The follow-on Desiderata (on which it is very loosely based) is also an interesting read.

flailing forward said...

Oops, nevermind, Loan Ranger already asked my question. Duane PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE post Nigel's casting application, you have no idea how many years of haterz fodder that would be. Oh my god, I can just imagine the hatergasm.

Hi Nigeypoo! (waves into the proxy)

Hobbes said...

I'm not 26 years old, nor would I describe myself as a corporate attorney, but I have litigated contracts for 18 years .. I agree with what Duane's lawyer said... PRLinkBZ contract is a joke and no court will enforce, yet someone who wants to sell Casey's story will have to deal with it... Casey could file a what we call in Florida a DEC ACTION asking a court to declare the contract unenforceable.. but he might have to do that in Arizona or maybe he could make the NLL come to California... but there is no way that piece of shit is enforceable, it is hardly coherent and has no internal consistency ...

Duane LeGate said...

@ Ranger..

Ok.. how much to reveal here.. I have made some comments that Casey doesnt undersatnd the true value of the site.. both he and butterfly think it is the visitors.. they are wrong.. the links he is selling are shot.. but the site has tremendous value IF IT IS IN THE RIGHT HANDS...

not sure if I wanna say how just yet... hedging a little.. and I damn sure dont want to give mutt and jeff (snowflake and butterfly) any ideas...

I will tell you this.. normally when a company buys another, they keep some of the team in place for tranisition.. for the right buyer.. Casey would have to get booted out DAY 1

From a valuation standpoint.. I think I could get him close to 100K. I dont think he could sell it for 10.

Duane LeGate said...

flailing...

I own over 2000 websites.. I dont have any single one that gets the kind of traffic Casey gets.. and I dont want traffic for the sake of traffic. We MICRO target.

If I took on IAFF, I would do it with partners, I work with LowerMYBills, and other internet companies that ALL coupled together could monetize his traffic to a degree...

However... the site would have to be stripped almost all the way down to the bare bones and rebuilt so you would be destroying the google value...

this is also why i dont want to get in to deeply about how we rip apart sites and rebuild... it is a competivie advantage...

Legion said...

dammit I'm missing out on all the fun!!!!!!

Duane LeGate said...

WOW.. okay I didnt realize how much good ole 2 buck chuck was talking to me.. I am a horrible typer.. but it is starting to get bad... 23 minutes... any more??

A top selling Olympic pin salesman said...

My post on pleather undies didn't make the final cut, but it did make the also ran list at the main carnival site.

The Dude said...

Duane,

You'll have to cut it off for the nite.....otherwise this group will keep you up for three days with questions....LOL

A big thanks for sharing your experiences...you don't have to do it and it's appreciated by all.

Maybe Nigel will donate one of his Haterz(tm) T-shirts to Duane.

Aspeth said...

Duane, if your "reveal" on IAFF causes benefit to Casey and/or Nigel, then, in my humble opinion, it's best left out of the story, for however long that means.

I can't see the point in handing those two idiots any sort of valuable information.

Duane LeGate said...

Its stuff like this that makes me laugh like hell..

"At 7:39 PM, A top selling Olympic pin salesman said...
My post on pleather undies didn't make the final cut, but it did make the also ran list at the main carnival site.

The Loan Ranger said...

Thanks for the answers, DL.

I think we all have plenty of questions but I empathize with the East Coast thing. Looking forward to hearing more of the story. Thanks for sharing it here.

Legion said...

@duane

Thanks for the info.

My question is, Is Nigel Swaby as big an opportunistic loser as we make him out to be?

Anonymous said...

Duane,

Is the debt Snowflake listed on his spreadsheet the sum total of his debt, or is there more he won't reveal?

Did he go into detail as to why his wife had so many credit cards?

Rob Dawg said...

Duane,
My singular ability is that I catch on quick and can analogize. I see what you mean about site valuations and why unrealized potential can be more valuable than a mature site.

Without giving away any secrets I would imagine it is the difference between a greenfield exurban development with all the permits in place and a potentially toxic brownfield cenurban project that contravenes the cities' urban plan.

Nigel Swaby said...

I am a lot like Duane. I own over 2000 blogs and I don't have single one that gets any comments on a regular basis. I MICRO commentize.

Duane LeGate said...

RE: Nigels email pointing REI to his award winning blog...

I have the email, but I will have to have someone go through all the boxes of videos, headshots and everything else.. I dont know if he sent a demo or not.. now THAT would be interesting...

I will look and let you guys know but it wont be a quick turnaround...

The Loan Ranger said...

Please tell me Nigel didn't include a head shot.

Duane LeGate said...

Hey Dawg... 2 buck chuck says for me to knock it off 12 mintues early...

this was fun gang.. Rob, gimme and email in the am (after 10:30) and i will get going...

to the rest of you... good night.. to anon.. go screw yourself..

Legion said...

You know even if Casey was offered 100K for his site I bet you he wouldn't take it. For him it doesn't even pay off his unsecured debt, or cashcall, or even any of the people he owes money too. Casey doesn't know the meaning of whittling down debt. For him it has to be all or nothing, and, he even has to make money on it. Remember when he had already equity stripped his properties with his illegal cashbacks, and though was facing foreclosure, at one point was still hoping to make some money selling his properties?

LOL said...

Duane, do you know the identity of the person who loaned Casey the 22k that is due on a balloon this month? Not asking you to reveal who it is but what's going to happen when he does not pay up?

Nigel's Guest Blogger said...

A case of two-buck chuck is in it if you get that video in our hands!

Mr. Bubbles said...

Duane, Just so you know, rumor has it that Swaby attempted some illegal stuff ( Utah wrap and the Utah trip) with Serin and also possibly against Dawg. Dawg's been quiet on that topic, but it's fairly serious.

Seems you were right about him.

But we haterz knew that all along. LOL

flailing forward said...

"I have the email, but I will have to have someone go through all the boxes of videos, headshots and everything else.. I dont know if he sent a demo or not.. now THAT would be interesting..."

OMIGOD I'M WEEPING WITH JOY

Legion said...

The Loan Ranger said...
Please tell me Nigel didn't include a head shot.



Man if you looked like Nigel would you be including it in an application? Talk about too much information.

then again, he is stupid, he probably did.

The Loan Ranger said...

@ Legion:

He probably sent a picture of his BMW and his pool.

Nigel's Guest Blogger said...

Rob,

Look for a huge spike in traffic from proxyindex.com as Nigel has begun to rock back and forth on his ergonomic chair...

refresh...
1...2..3...refresh... 1...2..3...refresh... 1...2..3...refresh... 1...2..3...refresh...

Aspeth said...

Thanks, Duane. Good night.

A headshot including casting applicant said...

My post on spray-on hair being the new faux hawk didn't make the final cut, but it did make the also ran list at the main carnival site.

Anonymous said...

Is it just me or has Buttfly removed the "Full of Hate"?

flailing forward said...

Ahahaha, he did!! Round 1 goes to Duane Legate!!

Anonymous said...

I wonder what is going on in Nigel's head after reading this.

Legion said...

Anonymous said...
I wonder what is going on in Nigel's head after reading this.

Man, I do NOT want to even imagine what is going on in Nigel's head. I'm still half nuts after reading Aspeth's breakdown of the internet sites Casey went to .

Dumbfounded said...

Yep. Buttfly's post is gone.

Great fodder there Duane! Thanks!

Sprezzatura said...

Rock the **** on, Duane. That was awesome.

flailing forward said...

10 cans of Axe Titan says he had on his best Shatner toupee in that headshot.

(Mr. Burns voice) Excellent...

flailing forward said...

Yeah, thanks Duane! You the man.

lawnmower man said...

Is it just me or has Buttfly removed the "Full of Hate"?

He has indeed. He's also removed and closed comments on all posts.

flailing forward said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
LT said...

this is an update to a previous post about A&E's "flip that house" show.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=BE5E24B879761F5844E1AF0D800DED05?contentId=3213463&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Sprezzatura said...

HAHAHAHA.

DHC is indeed missing a post and suspiciously comment-free.

SCORE: Duane 1, Nigel 0

Buttflies are free to fly.... Fly Away... said...

Buttfly deletes Duane's Post

Buttfly, you are a coward and a piece of shit. I hope Dawg sues you and Goatse.

Dumbfounded said...

This IS rather funny. Check out the Google images for "nigel swaby":

http://images.google.com/images?um=1&tab=wi&ie=utf8&oe=utf8&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&q=%22nigel+swaby%22

Anonymous said...

Duane Legate wrote, "Casey still feels he has a winning formula and that for whatever reason the deck has been stacked against him thus far. He has a very high opinion of himself and he only wants to surround himself with people that agree with him."

Introduction
Narcissistic personality disorder is a serious emotional disturbance characterized by a grandiose, or extremely exaggerated, sense of self-importance. Individuals with this disorder lack empathy for other people but need constant admiration from them.

Narcissistic personality disorder is one of several types of personality disorders, all of which reflect an inability in the affected person to accept the demands and limitations of the world. These disorders may regularly interfere with a person's behavior and interactions with family, friends or co-workers. Among the other personality disorders are paranoid personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder, borderline personality disorder and obsessive-compulsive personality disorder.

Although people with narcissistic personality disorder have an exaggerated image of their own importance, they have vulnerable self-esteems and often don't like themselves. Therefore, they seek attention that confirms their grandiosity. When feedback doesn't validate their exaggerated image, they tend to lash out or withdraw.

Narcissistic personality disorder, which is less common than other personality disorders, is estimated to affect less than 1 percent of the general population. Some studies indicate that it's more common among men. The primary treatment is psychotherapy.

Pathological narcissism
The other end of the continuum — narcissistic personality disorder — is a persistent inability to establish a realistic, stable self-image, therefore creating an overdependence on others to regulate their self-esteem. This unrealistic self-image affects how people with this disorder behave and interact with others.

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder may include:

Grandiose sense of one's own abilities or achievements
Fantasies about having exceptional power, attractiveness or success
Sense of belonging to an exclusive group of people who truly understand each other
Need for constant praise
Expectations of special treatment
Exploitation of other people
Lack of empathy for other people
Envy of other people or a belief that you are the subject of other people's envy
Haughty or arrogant behaviors
Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder may come across as conceited or snobbish. They often monopolize conversation. They may belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior. When they don't receive the special treatment to which they feel entitled, they may become very impatient or angry.

People with narcissistic personality disorder tend to seek out individuals whom they perceive as equal to their own self-image or to whom they attribute the same special talents and qualities they see in themselves. They may insist on having "the best" of everything — car, athletic club or social circles.

Their personal relationships and interactions are driven by the need for admiration and praise. Consequently, people with narcissistic personality disorder value others primarily according to how well those individuals affirm their unrealistic self-image. This limited value of others usually means that people with the disorder aren't interested in or aren't capable of perceiving the feelings or needs of others. They may take advantage of other people to make themselves look as good as they imagine.

On the other hand, seeking admiration also makes people with narcissistic personality disorder vulnerable to criticism. If someone criticizes an individual's contribution to a project at work, for example, he or she will perceive this comment as an assault on an image that needs to be protected at all costs and may respond with feelings of shame, humiliation or sadness or may express rage, disdain or defensive behaviors.

Causes
The exact cause of narcissistic personality disorder is unknown. Researchers have identified childhood developmental factors and parenting behaviors that may contribute to the disorder:

An oversensitive temperament at birth
Overindulgence and overvaluation by parents
Valued by parents as a means to regulate their own self-esteem
Excessive admiration that is never balanced with realistic feedback
Unpredictable or unreliable caregiving from parents
Severe emotional abuse in childhood
Being praised for perceived exceptional looks or talents by adults
Learning manipulative behaviors from parents

Reference: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652/DSECTION=1

Casey Fannnnn said...

This is all too much for me to absorb. But I think I remember Duane from a thousand years ago in the Casey saga. And I remember the No Lemons Ladies, although I don't think Casey Fannnnnnnnnnnnnn existed, as such, at their time in Casey's glow.

This reminds me so much of DEVO. DEVO, as you know, was and is the greatest musical force of all time ever in the the history of the universe. Like all pantheons, the members of DEVO included amongst itself larcenous Italian swine, in this case one Gerald Casale. Gerald created the DEVO mythos in conjunction with one BOB LEWIS, then proceded to ignore that fact when DEVO was signed to Warner Brothers. Lewis sued, and prevailed in court, and Warners' had to pay a large settlement before the first DEVO album was recorded, thus earning DEVO the enmity of Warners' management and hastening DEVO's departure from mainstream pop culture five years later.

Casey is DEVO. PR SLINKEY SHIZZ is Bob Lewis. Any book publisher is Warner Brothers. This will not happen. Those who ignore his story are energy domed to repeat it. We must repeat. We are Casey. Are we not men? Casey isn't. He's some kind of neutered butt muffin. He may have a hole for poopin, but otherwise he's completely blank DOWN BELOW.

The Real Wagga™ said...

One of the best web evenings ever.

Missed most of it, had to go out drinking with a cute young dirty-blond coiffed lady with a mind to match...

Anonymous said...

The Olympics. Award winning blogs. Gold Medallion Homes... anyone else seeing what i'm seeing?

Dolph said...

Duane,

I know you mentioned how smart Casey is, but really...how can he be so smart yet so dumb? When I was his age I had more awareness of the world around me and I was making really good money.

We all make mistakes in life and God knows I have made my share, but I guess if Casey's so smart it proves that IQ is not indication of common sense. I also believe smarts can't make you a better businessman or entrepreneur.

Dolph said...

Hey Fannnn,

Funny you mention Devo. I met them a few months ago. Mark is a genius!

Nigels Mom said...

Dear Nigel,

STFU!

Sincerely,
STFU!

Casey Fannnnn said...

Re:
>>Funny you mention Devo. I met them a few months ago. Mark is a genius!<<

I have not met the group but I agree. All things DEVO and MM's soundtrack scores are in heavy rotation up in hyah. I am very pleased with the JIHAD JERRY album, which is essentially a new DEVO album.

sid_finster said...

Um...Caseyfann, I, like, respect you and stuff, but if DEVO is the greatest force blah blah blah, Casey ain't DEVO, unless you count black holes.

mejustme said...

Ok.. how much to reveal here.. I have made some comments that Casey doesnt undersatnd the true value of the site.. both he and butterfly think it is the visitors.. they are wrong.. the links he is selling are shot.. but the site has tremendous value IF IT IS IN THE RIGHT HANDS...

not sure if I wanna say how just yet... hedging a little.. and I damn sure dont want to give mutt and jeff (snowflake and butterfly) any ideas...

I will tell you this.. normally when a company buys another, they keep some of the team in place for tranisition.. for the right buyer.. Casey would have to get booted out DAY 1

From a valuation standpoint.. I think I could get him close to 100K. I dont think he could sell it for 10.


Sorry but I don't agree with Duane on this at all. The value of IAFF isn't the hits, it isn't the links, it isn't Casey (and his ability to generate media interest) and the train wreck content? What's left?

It's not a high Google ranking because that won't last without the links, the visitors, the media, the content. All that's left is the domain name, and that's not enough to justify $100K price. I'm sure there are other similar names out there that could serve a foreclosure resource site just as well. I mean, ifaceforeclosure.com is available right now, you can pick it up for less than $10, so why spend 10,000 times more?

If I'm missing something, I'd really like to know!

Re Casey's IQ: I'd venture it's about 110-120. Above average but nothing to write home about. Definitely not Mensa material.

And Casey thinks he's more creative than the average person? HA! Even he had to tip his hat to the creativity of ENers, evidenced by photoshopped photos, that hilarious flowchart, songs, remixes, etc., that they just toss off for a laugh. I'd say most of the people here would blow his doors off.

Duane LeGate said...

@mejustme...
"If I'm missing something, I'd really like to know!"

yes you are

Soem Dood said...

@lossmitpro: Just out of curiosity who is Duane LeGate, someone who has done business with Casey before? Will one of you good folks point me to a site, or provide a link?
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Just out of curiosity who is lossmitpro, someone who has done business with Casey before? Will one of you good folks point me to a site, or provide a link?

Soem Dood said...

One more thing, Mark:

"Please tell me, what BUSINESS is this of yours? How does the business activity of another entity affect you..? Do you realize what California laws you’re bending by asking such questions? Businesses, like people, have a right to conduct affairs in peace and without undue intrusion into its dealings.

Really, I ask seriously, because in the grander scheme of things such questions have no bearing on reality in relation to resolution of your situation. None whatsoever, not an inkling to the slightest degree! If the man wants to go to call talkshoe, so what??? And should he claim to have flown there on a red carpet, so be it! Again, so what? If he wants to do respond to certain people, that’s his prerogative. SOOOOO WHAAAAT????

In any case, I’ve said it before yet I’ll say it again… For you folks whom wish to unlawfully enjoin others associated with Duane by veiled and suggestive disparagement, outlandish and speculative fodder, unlawful investigations serving no purpose? Be forewarned!

Some associated with these matters are apt to test the legal theories aggressively, and with affect. Thus, you may wish to curtail how you comment in the very near future as such relates to others… Get in the habit now of keeping remarks related strictly to yourself, and leave others out of the fray! Do other than this shortly, and YOU (and/or others like you) may find yourself the topic of discussion in a forum with a tad more bite.

Am I making myself clear enough?"


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So, are you an attorney? Licensed to practice in CA?

Or just an internet blowhard?

I think you missed your latest issue, so here's a link:

Internet Tough Guy Magazine