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Friday, July 13, 2007
Did You Hear It?
The fat lady sings at intermission as well as at the end.
So I'm supposed to eat crow because LossMitPunk bullied Casey into settling? And took money for "services rendered" that didn't result in any loss mitigation?
That punk-ass nimrod did more harm to his own reputation by acting like an ass-clown than Casey ever did.
Yes, and municipal budget disasters and the new hired gun lawyer to defend San Buenaventura's impending illegal zoning changes. The fine print on what FDIC really insures. I'll probably have a few words about tonights world premier of John William's latest "Potter" score at the Hollywood Bowl.
This is intermission. The first acts were necessary to protect society. That sounds arrogant/egotistical whatever. Sorry but if people had not spoken up Casey'd have moved on to bigger things. If the Corp Credit details had not been raised here do you think he would have stopped where he did? If the secret trip to Australia had remained secret do you think there might be an offshore account by now? All the "we are watching," "what you plan is illegal" was all true and Casey has admited it. There's going to be a lot of cleaning up around the edges. Who owns the rights to the story for instance. Who is held liable for certain debts. Then theree's the upstory; who enabled this serial real estate fraud? Is there enough to go after any gurus? We any investment clubs practicing law or RE without licienses? There will be more but unless Casey has fooled almost everyone with a great performance it won't be about personal stuggles. At least not from me.
I can't keep track anymore since I've been busy at work.
LMP is an unknown. LMP is an ass after the fraudcast. LMP is great because of the legal filings. LMP is an ass cause he's going to get the case thrown out. LMP is ok since the suit has been delayed. LMP is an ass cause he got paid and nothing else happened.
The Casey Serin Saga officially qualifies as (Comic Book Store Guy voice) Best. Internet. Drama. Ever.
I had my doubts about the sincerity of the most recent stated efforts at making changes, but the sale of the domain is critical. Actions speak louder than words, and while the trainwreck watchers have heard all the words before, the sale of the domain is for real. While Casey still retains the potential for trying to get out of the book deal rights contract, there's nothing he can do to get the domain back. He's taken a very real step toward a new future, and he knows it.
I wish him and his family the best; it's not over, not by a long shot, but after so many steps backwards he's finally taken one big step forward.
Saw G and her Sister at McGees (a NightClub in Fair Oaks, suburb of Sacramento) Bought her a drink, she had no idea I had any clue who she was :evilgrin:. She told me she was going to be at 815L (A downtown Sacramento nightclub) on Saturday and that me and my friend should stop by.
It looks like Snowflakes days are numbered, she's already hitting the local club scene.
@ ratlab You know, people need a bad guy in this story. Looks like I’m it! But ya can’t please everyone in a situation this complex, from a behind the scenes perspective. So if it makes people happy to have a villain in this melodrama? No big deal -- may as well let them have their entertainment.
You played and forced a hand. Had you not made things serious for Casey, as Rob said, what would be the next move.
He would have likely taken off for Colorado or some other supporterz location full of enablers.
He would not have easily came home from Washington either.
Fuck that noise.
Mark forced his hand. Now Casey will face what we all wanted him to face...the music. The Fed, the lawyers, the debts, his wife, his family, all of that.
It took a deal.
Mark made a compromise for the team. I admitted yesterday (without knowing the whole story) that from my perspective there was no solid endgame that would satisfy me. I've slept on this one and while I still think he was bailed out, this is still the better scenario over suicide, leaving the country for good, continued scamming, getting arrested on the spot, or turning to other things.
This is what is best for G. This is what is best for Casey.
People can argue that Duane and Mark took advantage of him and his situation, but let's face it. The story was at the end, and needed an ending. This way, it's "win-win-win".
Peripheral Visionary @ 7:58 AM: ”While Casey still retains the potential for trying to get out of the book deal rights contract, there's nothing he can do to get the domain back. He's taken a very real step toward a new future, and he knows it.”
Ahhhh, no, irrespective what folks may think? Casey can’t get those book rights back unless I assign them back (and I shall one day). And THAT was Casey’s choice, not my doings!
And as far as the domain sale, that too is essentially out of Casey’s hands. I also have sale rights to the domain, he can’t back out now (ANOTHER Casey requested provision). So based on these hard facts, I have to think the man is serious. And baring no strange turn of events? This story is essentially over, as far as IAFF is concerned.
@ SouthernBread Thanks. There were some compromises on my part, but I’m glad some folk see there was an end strategy to what only APPEARS like advantage. ;)
With all due respect, LMP, I think you're underestimating Casey's capacity for delusion. Didn't you hear his voice last night? It was flat and monotone -- except when he started talking about what he was going to do next. He started talking about blogging, and marketing, and real estate, and all of a sudden there was life and passion in his voice. He didn't even talk about Galina like in the same tone. Clearly, it's the only thing he loves. And Duane said that there is no non-compete in place w/r/t IAFF.com.
The story is not over for Casey. He's not going to fade off into the night unless he goes to jail. Mark my words.
@LMP: "Ahhhh, no, irrespective what folks may think? Casey can’t get those book rights back unless I assign them back (and I shall one day). And THAT was Casey’s choice, not my doings!"
I see the domain deal as different from the book deal. When he turns over the keys of the domain, it's done, and there's no reversing it. Plus, the fact that there's a signed contract for the domain means that Duane can force its turnover by presenting the contract to the domain provider.
I do believe Casey intends to honor the contract on the book rights assignment, but it needs to be said: he signed a contract signing over rights in the past that he completely violated. Granted, that particular contract was, by all accounts, unenforcable, but all I am saying is that previous actions must be taken into account.
I don't think he's getting the domain back, but there's a chance, even if not a big one, that he'll try to get around the book rights contract ("I only signed over the rights for my story on facing foreclosure, not my story facing the Feds!" etc.) I'm sure you're perfectly aware of that, I'm just saying that the risk is out there.
LossMitPro, I think you need to reconsider PVs point. Casey still retains the potential for trying to get out of the book deal rights contract. I fully expect some of this as well. A little backsliding is to be expected. There's going to be shiny objects and sometime maybe even a month or two from now Casey will hint that he proven himself and it may be time to get something going with the story righrs. Something like that. This doesn't mean I don't think Casey can make it, it means he's going to backslide a little like anyone would.
> You know, people need a bad guy in > this story. Looks like I’m it!
No, that would be Casey.
Mark - you don't rate high enough to be the bad guy, get over yourself.
Here is a question for you: Duane has put in more effort on all this and had far more out of pocket cost, yet he is going out of his way not to make a profit - proceeds from the site going to charity and all that.
You bullied CS into paying you more than simple court costs, you've pulled a profit off of others misery.
The question: Do you see the difference? Can you understand why people have respect for Duane and contempt for you?
Character shows in ones actions.
It is interesting to see the results when you google your name - not a pretty picture. You've earned that as a legacy from all of this and it is a result of your actions, not Casey's.
Do you care to comment on why you felt the overwhelming urge to answer the majority of the questions directed at Casey last night?
I realize you're trying to look out for Casey, but you're not his father. Stop acting like one, and let speak for himself.
By letting you stay unmuted last night, he allowed you to answer all his hard questions while he sat back let you do the dirty work. Stop letting him feed you your 15 minutes, and let him face his own music.
One last observation: while I think Casey has taken a very important step in the right direction, I think he is at high risk for future involvement in "shady" activity. I have seen this with other people: they'll get involved in something questionable, then will get "scared straight", go back to the respectable life for a little while . . . then, a few months or years later, it's back into the "gray areas."
The get-rich-quick bug might be half asleep for now, but it may re-awaken. Casey may go back to doing IT or general office work, but it simply would not surprise me to find out that he ends up selling herbal supplements of questionable value for a Utah County-based MLM.
First off, congratulations Mark V. Job well done and thank you for putting a stop to this thief.
Now, for what I want to say. Casey is a con-man at heart. I am hopeful that he will change, but I dought it - very obvious listening to him last night.
The only reason Casey backed down was self-preservation, nothing else.
This kid is the kind of kid that has to be watched for the rest of his life.
The only thing that will redeem Casey is time and time alone. After years of Casey doing the right thing with a proven track record of not committing any more crimes, is the day I will consider him back to normal. Until then, watch you.
One last thing, I am more than willing to bet the farm that this is NOT the end of Casey crimes or "shady deals". Just watch.
I wrote a long comment but somehow messed up the publishing. More or less it was along the lines of what Serinjustice and Peripheral Visionary wrote.
@ Rob Dawg I understand and accept that you can't share everything you know about this. But do you feel Casey has really turned this around. It seems like you do from your comments, am I reading them correctly?
If all this went down last Sep I'd feel a lot different than what has gone on for the last 10 months. Plus the still recent steve@serin.us MLM web hosting makes me think he's just sacrificing all of his assets to get people off of his back. The fact that he has to 'choose' his family over his business makes me feel like his mentality is the same. He's just a guy who likes get rich quick schemes.
Despite what any of us have to say about LMP, he forced fliptard to do something (or give up something).
Mark, what prevents fliptard from working around the book rights to start "another" book? Same goes for IAFF? Can't he just start another site with a different site name?
"So I'm supposed to eat crow because LossMitPunk bullied Casey into settling? And took money for "services rendered" that didn't result in any loss mitigation?"
All I can say is where there is a will, there is a WAY!!! Casey will find a way to break every one of these agreements and further piss off LMP and Duane. his track record speaks for itself. He just wants his wife to at least talk to him. HE IS DESPERATE!!!!! Wait until all of this pressure is off. he'll be back to his devious ways. A wise man once said,"YOU CAN MOVE A MOUNTAIN BEFORE CHANGING A MAN'S CHARACTER!!!"
Duane worked hard to help Casey. Casey blew him off.
Rob tried to expose every lie and the little fucker thought he could always stay 1 step ahead of the possie.
He ignored and lied to his wife and family.
Hundreds of folks tried to tell Casey the error of his ways. He just grinned that stupid smirk and blew them off.
It was not until LMP used the courts to corner that little rat that he started to smarten up.
It will take time to see if Casey gets the message and goes straight.
People talk about prison or the IRS like that is the worst that could happen to him.
The thing Snowflake best understand is that when you run with lowlifes and then steal from those same dirtbags, they don't all just walk away. Sometimes you wake up half alive in a shallow grave while someone is tossing dirt on your face for screwing with them.
Just because this has been white collar crime doesn't mean evil people will not get phyiscal.
Casey: This is your 1 chance to get on the straight and narrow. I sure hope you use it, as there may not be a second one...
LMP - you're an ass and the most likely candidate for the next haterz target. I don't care how you justify it you bullied him into it and for that reason it won't stick. You're the sort of American I hate.
So I should STFU just because you don't agree with my point of view? If you rub both your brain cells together ... REALLY hard ... I'm sure you'll at some point realise the fallacious nature of what you're suggesting.
I want to know what the judge said to him that scared him shitless. Before the hearing, he was acting like "Oh, the judge is SO going to side with me and throw this out and be mad at certain people for wasting his time!" and after the hearing he did a complete 180. I figured he'd get a rude awakening from the judge, but I didn't expect him to take the judge seriously enough to "change". The judge must be a miracle worker.
@ Rob Dawg I hear ya, and if Casey goes back to blogging he goes back to blogging, I could not force him to stop as mentioned on the podcast. Backsliding is to be expected I suppose, but for now at least enforceable agreements are in place to prevent that from taking place immediately.
Property Flopper @ 8:42AM: ”…Can you understand why people have respect for Duane and contempt for you? ...Character shows in ones actions.”
Yes I totally agree, using my real name then preaching about “character?” Well, I think I’ve demonstrated my qualities there, all in the face of cowards hiding behind pseudonyms.
ratlab @ 9:01 AM: ”Mark, what prevents fliptard from working around the book rights to start "another" book? Same goes for IAFF? Can't he just start another site with a different site name?”
Short answer; a C.C.P. 664.6 motion, with respect to the book rights. And Constitutionally no one but law enforcement can condition Casey to STOP blogging, at least I couldn’t by way of any civil settlement and expect to get away with it.
@ Rob Dawg I understand and accept that you can't share everything you know about this. But do you feel Casey has really turned this around. It seems like you do from your comments, am I reading them correctly?
My opinion is split several ways.
I feel that Casey believes he has turned a corner.
I feel he deserves a chance to demonstrate that he has changed. I unfortunately feel that his expectations of what that transformation should earn him and what it will actually get him will come into conflict. That will be the real test. Can Casey accept the consequences?
Again my opinion is one that does not matter. Casey claims to be ready to accept the consequences but I think that is only because he is still processing them for the first time rationally.
What is funny to me, is when Nacho paid $250 with good intentions of helping Casey and Casey blew her off royally.
Nacho was so pissed and distraut at Casey tatics that she had to take time off.
It's only a matter of time before a new shiny thing passes Casey's way and he will be back to it. Just like a drug adict.
You guys (Mark, Duanne, etc) are very smart with legal things, but you know nothing about human nature.
Again, I will repeat, I HOPE Casey changes his criminal ways, but this kid has given AMPLE warnings to everyone of who he is and what he is capable of doing.
I don't think it's about Casey's personality changing. I think it's about Casey giving up on trying to get out of this with one good deal. Or trying to get rich quick. He has to give up on this dream and embrace and accept reality. Personalities don't change that quickly.
He said last night that he avoided Marty because he knew he would buy in on what he had to say. Just like with most of the MLM garbage, and the other great ideas he's had and scaminars. He buys the hype, gets too excited and make a decision.
When he gets tempted again, and he will. He will get excited. He will feel the urge to go for it. He will have to stop himself a few times before it becomes habit. Then, overtime, he won't get as excited. He might even become skeptical. After about 5-10 years of this, he will learn to be able to judge these opportunites as they arrive. Then he might even become a good businessman.
"So I'm supposed to eat crow because LossMitPunk bullied Casey into settling? And took money for "services rendered" that didn't result in any loss mitigation?"
Look,chap,you seem to want Casey brought to heel,and he just was,a wee little bit. Now you might not like the "cut of the jib" of the bobby who accomplished that,but that's too bloody bad,isn't it?
Cashback was in no position to bargain for anything better because of his own stupid actions and inactions.
That's too bad,my heart bleeds and I'm cryin'a river,but that doesn't mean that the pawnbroker should,or will, give me top dollar for the crap I'm trying to hock,see?
Business is fundamentally about exploitation...always will be.
So let's call a spade a spade here buddy. Let me play devil's advoate for a second (not directed towards anyone)...
So you are saying Casey was bullied? Well what would you have prefered Casey do? Retain his blog? Continue down his path to divorce, bankruptcy, jailtime, etc.? If you feel sorry for Casey and empathy towards him, why are you wishing him to fail? :)
1. What was the actual nature of the complaint(suit) you had against Casey. What damages? 2. What was the purpose of the assignment of book rights to you? Was it to prevent Marty from publishing the book? 3. Did you and Casey discuss the selling off of the blog and was it a stipulation in your settlement? 4. Did you at any time before or after your lunch with Casey speak to Duane regarding the selling of the blog, assignment of book rights or anything else regarding a settlement? 5. Who exactly informed Casey that the FBI was investigating him? When was he informed? Where and/or how was he informed? 6. Did the FBI (and other 3 letter agencies) investigations, ever come up during your talk with Casey when you two settled your suit? 7. Why did you stipulate that Casey should pay you $1,572.50 - when you know full well, and stated so, yourself that he has nothing? That money could go to Galina's CC debt. 8. Do you think Marty should be compensated for his time, effort and expenditure? Why or why not? 9. Should Marty seek judicial relief against Casey for the book deal, what are you prepared to do?
- Mark tried to help Casey. - Casey Blows him off - Mark comes back after it's all good. - Casey Blows him a second time. - Casey publicy accuses Mark of attacking him and his family. - Mark blows it that he will go After Casey's throat. - Casey and Mark are back in good terms.
I sure hope it all works out in the end, but anyone new looking at this history must wonder what the hell?
Who are we to tell KC what to do? The patronising comments on EN/IAFF and DLG/LMP's parternalistic attitudes AMAZE me. Look - we all have to fail on our own terms to learn our lessons! I can only assume LMP and DLG have either no children or have forgotten what they are like to raise.
The reason I react so aggressively towards LMP is his attitude reminds me of the punks that used to bully me around when I was a young kid - and when I got out into the real world and discovered that brain does overcome brawn I swore I wouldn't let it happen to me. And that's why today of all days I have sympathy of all things towards KC.
R-Boy @ 9:36 AM: ”If you seem approaching with a burning pitchfork, no worries. I'm making smores.”
LOL, then we’ll have a little “WEENIE” roast! ;)
Nah, if the Anti-LossMit Haterz wanna come after me so be it, I’m ready for it. Only what they THINK will happen, ain’t gonna happen. And if they THINK I’m intimidated by the threats? (GRIN) I think you know me better?
@ Gypsy Pete Do you’re thang, dude, and I’ll do mine. We’ll play, at least I will. ;)
@ Dick Listen to Casey’s podcast from last night; many of your questions are answered there. For those that aren’t? Perhaps I can address them later, maybe on one of Shark’s poscasts or something. But at this time I owe Marty the respect to deal with the book deal OUTSIDE of a public forum, hope you understand.
@ serinjustice I hear ya, but you know compromise is the root of successful negotiations. So no matter how things LOOK, the end result was a successful conclusion to a messy deal. Still, if I or Casey or Duane were to take fine lines then nothing would have been accomplished.
Casey proved he is oblivious to ALL the normal social warning signs. Being told something was illegal, immoral, stupid whatever. It wasn't until Mark told him that next time he sticks his hand in the cookie jar it'll be cut off (I'll go for your fucking throat) that Casey actually got it.
Everybody tried all the usual influences to no effect. Everyone took progressive measures until we got what was required.
To answer your question, you are correct. Who are we to tell KC what to do? We are no one. Anonymous. Casey made his life public. Therefore his life is open to the opinions and feelings of the peanut gallery.
good going with the case, regardless how it happened (yes I'm curious like others what the exact "come to jesus" or lightbulb moment was, and the whole timing/how of the FBI is a little weird).
But from everything you have said, Casey basically gave you the farm of his own free will(and then agreed to pay/reimburse you).
I just hope your contract is solid (and whatever contract he/you signed with Duane, I expect Duane has a I __ sell domain __ to Duane Legate for $__ attorney approved standard contract for this).
My bet is Casey being Casey will eventually at least look at this with some desire to squirm out of parts. I just dont want to hear "that settlement was MONTHS ago!".
This whole thing came together pretty quick, not crapping on your past legal work but you do have a well harped on tendency to make mistakes :), hopefully someone vetted the agreement. I also hope you can control/Casey can control himself for another week before his honor (Mcmaster?) can bind this legally (I dont quite understand what role the court would play in blessing the agreement but again..I can spell law thats about it.)
And heres to hoping Marty doesnt become the fly in the ointment, I cant see him selling the book (even if somehow he gets away for it) "The unauthorized Casey Serin story" isnt going to make the NY times bestseller either.
I'm really confused. The IAFF domain was not worth $20K. Whatever it's worth now is going to drop quickly in the next few months. We laughed at Casey's $100K offer. I would have laughed if he had offered $20K. Why is this an anti-Casey victory?
And the rights to what book? The one that Casey was going to self publish at Kinkos? The one that everyone laughed at and said wouldn't sell 500 copies? Why is that something to celebrate about?
Overall, it sounds like Casey finally got a sweet deal. He finally sold something that's not worth much and dropping in value for more than it's worth, and he sold something that was always worthless.
Casey finally got what he felt he deserved. No wonder people think it sounds like he's changed because for the first time in his life, he got the good end of a deal. Once Galina takes him back, he'll be right back to scamming for his riches.
And I'll believe the FBI stuff as soon as he talks to Feds with badges instead of giving him what could have been a crank call.
I swore I wouldn't let it happen to me. And that's why today of all days I have sympathy of all things towards KC.
I'm out of EN. See you on CHC.
Fucking goward (shouts f-u and goes). You try to take a nasty swipe at the people who are beating you on your own terms (brains) and running away. You have an opinion in desperate need of facts and a qualifed proponent.
I think we all know that there is a very high chance of KC backsliding into his sweet, passive dreamworld. At least until the possible criminal trial begins.
So let's examine his baby steps. The first is obvious. Did Casey phone Marty last night, as he'd promised on the fraudcast?
LossMitPro, I listened to the podcast. I'm asking for clarification. Honestly I feel you're skirting important issues. Maybe I've overloaded the number of questions? Ok, I'll limit it to just two:
Last night, you said: "Bottom line is this: we come out of the chambers and, by the time we come out of the chambers, it was disclosed at some point uh, that Casey was under investigation." Did you, or did you not notify Casey that he is currently under an FBI investigation in the Judge's chambers? If not, who notified Casey that he was under investigation by the FBI (and/or any other agency) in the Judge's chambers.
I will respect the issue of the Casey/Marty...er... Mark/Marty book deal and what interests Marty may or may not have with that book deal until you two have your discussion. However, I respectfully ask what was the purpose of assignment of the book rights to you. Was it not to circumvent the business agreement that Casey and Marty had in play and to prevent the publication of the Foreclosure Code book?
Please, sir, answer these two very direct questions.
Rob - I work in the same (or very similar) industry as you do - I have a similar pedigree (PDP-11LSI onwards, repair skills to discrete component level etc upwards). It's not a matter of being beaten by brains perhaps but emotion. On all accounts except one (your anti immigration stance - but I do empathise with the CA. situation). I have respected you and enjoyed your posts. Good luck with the blog and I hope that in the future we can all look back at this and laugh and not have regret. Adios and stay safe.
I would like to repeat that I am very pro-immigrant. It is for this reason and others I am very anti-illegal invasion.
Indeed look at the parallels. I agree with the favorable treatment of homehowners but Casey snuck in without going through legal channels. Look at the harm he caused.
> Well, I think I’ve demonstrated my > qualities there
Oh, you most certainly have. Again and again...
> all in the face of > cowards hiding behind pseudonyms.
It really upset you that your "REAL NAME" got out into the public, didn't it? Well... who do you blame for that?
Tell you what - let's do a test of character. I will be quite happy to post under my real name (hell, I suspect Benoit could "out" me with about 30 second of effort - he has proven remarkably good in his detective work).
I'll happily do this if you will turn the $1,500 (and any future profits from the story rights) to a good charity. Habitat is a favorite around here.
How about it? Finally do your reputation some good...
Property Flipper @ 11:11 AM: ”I'll happily do this if you will turn the $1,500 (and any future profits from the story rights) to a good charity. Habitat is a favorite around here.”
Oh I see, you want me to give up my costs of suit to prove something to YOU??? LOL, riiiight, well, if I had any respect for ya I might consider the offer. Since that’s not the case, thanks but I don’t need an exposure of you’re real name. I could get that easy enough as well. ;)
mejustme @ 11:30 AM: ”would love to see a breakdown of those $1,500+ costs that are coming out of Galina's money.”
Why? That’s certainly nobody’s business; the costs are quite legit, nonetheless. And Galina will be just fine once this is all concluded, although you’re welcome to off-set my costs and contribute to G’s fund if you like?
@ Property Flipper Yup that’s me, bully all the way. ;)
I'm leaving EN too. I know I'm a nobody and don't amount to Bogie's hill of beans, but since when has that ever stopped anybody speaking their piece? You really ought to stop focusing Casey and look to yourself Rob. A victory over an opponent where you degrade yourself and become almost as slimy as him isn't much of a victory. Climbing into bed with that piece of shit Lostmittpro was a bad move. Just because he's anti-Casey you're willing to accept anything huh? Grow some morals man.
Dick @ 12:00 PM: ”…you earned yourself another hater….And you know why you'll never answer them.”
LOL, I earned myself another Hater because I won’t answer questions that have already been addressed, and am showing respect to the court. Yup, pure sound logic; I can’t ague with.
Tell me, do people like you REEEAALY think I care?
I'm leaving EN too. ...A victory over an opponent where you degrade yourself and become almost as slimy as him isn't much of a victory.
Leave your real name and contact info and I shall get back to you with the details of my having degraded myself. Pardon while I don'thold my breath. You see Ellit one thing that has become clear is that there is a huge body of people who somehow feel they can say anything they want as long as they are anonymous. This is not correct as you have just demonstrated.
Climbing into bed with that piece of shit Lostmittpro was a bad move. Just because he's anti-Casey you're willing to accept anything huh?
Being a recent arrival you are forgiven for having formed that opinion. Being as you are leaving there's no need to correct your misapprehension.
Grow some morals man.
Excellent avice best provided via demonstration and not lecture.
Casey has been rubbing off on you. You too are feeding on your own bullshit.
I'm a dick. You know what a dick has? Balls.
Unlike you, I don't have to overcompensate when my masculinity is threatened, by verbally berating weak children to prove how much of a man I am.
My actions are enough. How I carry myself in business and life speaks volumes... to me. And that's what I care about. And perhaps the most important thing I may possess is not wealth, or respect or adoration from others but ethos. Something that has and will forever elude you. The rest simply fall into place.
I know your beef appears to be with LossMitt but I still would like an answer to this. If he had not stood up to Casey and forced Casey's hand, then how would the situation resolve itself to the betterment of Casey, G, the public-at-large, etc?
Foreclosure News From some industry sources... ***** California, the largest state, had the greatest number of foreclosures in June with 38,801, or one foreclosure for every 315 households.
About 58 percent of the properties in foreclosure are tied to subprime loans, according to a RealtyTrac spokesperson. *****
Next month will be worse. A whole new set of arm's being reset. Plus there are threats of class-action suits against mortgage providers for issueing subprime loans and predatory lending practices.
139. pink_lips July 13th, 2007 at 12:09 pm Hi Casey, I have tried to contact you with no response. Why are you dealing with lossMittTit? He is obviously a vulture of the highest order. I will NEVER visit this sight again knowing he will be profiting, and I am sure others wont either. The “draw” has always been you and your story. This site will do nothing and earn nothing after (if) you are gone. I am sorry you did not talk to me before all of this, as I do have some funds available that may have helped against the people that are supposedly helping you. Good luck Casey
I guess Casey lost out - PinkLipz haz some fundz, ya'll!!!
I appreciate your question™ but our friends, Casey and Mark have already stipulated that Casey was not "motivated" to sell the blog, unload the book, remove himself from the Internet and get a W-2 job by such things as petty lawsuits or minor nuisances like say an FBI investigation.
Rather, the only motivation was to rectify the wrongs in his marriage and nurse it back to health.
As much as I would love to answer your question, the point would, ostensibly be is moot.
Wow. Just checking in & it's flameflest. What happened to all the fun people who could occasionally veer off topic to discuss the amazing length of the Argentinian Duck Dong?
I'm really confused now and hope you can clear this up for me. You have a problem with the way the situation was handled, but you offer no other solution or method of which it should have been handled. Is that your position?
Wow, the breakdown of the "Casey Community" is pretty interesting. Is this typical for an Internet phenomenon?
Actually the regulars are still here. We are just watching the trolls, troll themselves. All that happened is that the trolls learned to register for a blogger account.. The base core is still the same.
Pardon me while I throw some news in the middle of the flame war, but Duane is reporting on CHC that his deal to buy the blog is on hold pending the review of some higher offers that came in last night.
Interesting how anything dealing with Casey never ends, isn't it?
You're asking me to answer a question that has already been answered, by the man himself, Casey. Apparently you want me to offer "another" scenario in which Casey could have achieved the same result: being forcibly stripped of his blog, potential lucrative book publishing deal, and the civil liberty to post on the Internet. Is this what you're asking?
You're essentially asking a loaded question, the great equalizer in fact. Despite the ridiculousness of this, I will give you my perspective however it will obviously not be the answer you want.
Casey has some serious dysfunctional issues but he was not, ever, a physical danger to himself or anyone else. So it would have suited me fine for Casey's "situation" to have resolved itself at it's own pace. In fact the wheels have already been set in motion with Galina resent moves. I think she's better off with out him. He abused their relationship and never appreciated her. (But he's come to realize that.)
Casey hasn't learned a damn thing being forced to do the things he's had to do in the passed few days. He may convince himself that he chose to quit this life for his wife, but the reality is, he was under immense emotional (and financial) pressures. Exactly how the current events played out, we will never know because parties involved will never discuss them publicly.
So you want to know how else this would have been resolved? Galina would file for divorce. Mortgage companies would have finally sold off the homes Casey bought and sued Casey for the losses. Cashcall would have filed suit. During the suits, but most likely after, after Casey has been found to be in severe neglect of numerous laws, Fed, state and/or local authorities would have launched criminal charges against him and his ass would be in jail.
All things which are still going to happen. Galina will also still be on the hook and her credit will still be fucked.
So there you go, I just wasted my fucking time, entertaining you and answering your dumb question.
I'd be inclined to take offense to your remark that some of us are trolls but I'm not one that usually flies off the fucking handle when dealing with people of the Internet.
1. Talk to Marty about possible deals that won't run afoul of Mark's contract.
2. Try to get Duane to persuade Galina to take him back by keeping up the "I've changed" act for a while.
3. Plan relaunch of IAFF under a new name. The name had to be changed anyway because it's no longer accurate, so getting G's credit cards paid off for it was a sweet deal!
I may have not official stated my approval of the Casey world tour coming to an end - but I am ok with it. I'm ok with Casey selling the blog. I'm ok Casey stepping off the internet. I'm not ok, however, with the tactic that was utilized though. My feeling is that Casey is easily manipulated and was under extreme duress.
The book deal is something I'm a little torn on. On the one hand, I think it was probably his only real leverage left. It could have potentially made him some serious money, which if used properly , could have alleviated one or two or more creditors debt (for both Casey and Galina.) I think the one person Casey should have communicated with was his wife. If totally honest and open with her and the family they may have been ok with the book knowing that it could generate some sweet passive income to pay creditors. The only other person Casey should have spoken to was an actual an actual attorney and not a law junkie. The circumstances of the assignment of the book rights is a big thorn in my side because it's perfectly evident that it was done for the sole purpose of circumventing the Casey/Marty business agreement. LMP will pressure Marty to back off, like he pressured Casey. Shyster or not, Marty has legitimate rights to earn his far share of a buck. LMP is, and so is Duane.
Mark: Why did Casey sign ownership of the book deal away? Was it so he didn't have to sink more money into it? I thought it was all set to come out (the book) and start making money.
Duane: I hope Casey doesn't resent galina for him having his hand forced by Mark. Really it would have been better to have Galina empowered and have been the one to force Caseys hand. I don't know how qualified Duane is as marriage counseling. Are arrangements being made for them to get a ligit counselor or has duane committed to long term counseling.
Has everyone forgotten that he still has the serin.us domain? It would be easy to simply set some stuff up on that site. I found his Australian adventure fascinating and wouldn't mind seeing some more "Globe Trekker" type stuff with photos and so forth. Of course, he may have to stick closer to home for a while -- Fresno, Modesto, etc. but there's a world of fun stuff right there in CA. He could put a RE focus on his travels to give them the unique angle people expect from him; drive around the suburbs in his Vdubs looking at developments and foreclosures and posting about the breaking of the RE bubble, etc.
@Nigel's Guest Blogger: "Wow, the breakdown of the "Casey Community" is pretty interesting. Is this typical for an Internet phenomenon?"
Overall, I don't think it's unusual, it might even be typical. I call it the "Ginger Magician" effect, but it would take a while to explain the source for that one . . .
At 2:03 PM, LossMitPro said... fackENers @ 1:19 PM: ”LiMPs 15 minutes of fame is about up” And thank God for that (about time too)! ;) ~Mark
Mark you don't have to respond to every post that references you. Makes you seem desperate for the attention. please don't say that you don't care what I or anybody else thinks about you. If you do I will be so hurt.
I understand many of your obsersations, but have you ever worked with a drug adict?
I have and you can never reason with a drug adict. Casey is no different.
The only thing I see here is way too much optimism - Casey will be back, sooner rather than later.
Casey, right at this momemnt, is going through Sellers Remorse and he is thinking twice if he made the right decision.
Later, when Casey see's that Galina will not take him back and how AWFUL a W2 job can be, how mundane W2 jobs are, how he will be the grunt worker he so much dispices, he will come back to his criminal ways.
Just watch and see. Just like when Mark said all was good between Casey and Him, what 3 times now, watch Mark change his mind yet again.
Benoit is right. He'll be back by 8/15/07 and it probably won't take him that long. If that was the real Galina posting last night, it doesn't sound like she's waiting for his return with open arms. Since this ostensible change of heart has to do with getting her back, that reason will not be holding him back much longer.
Of course, there are the other reasons for the the change of heart that those of us in the outer circle don't know about, so that may keep him offline.
Just the fact that the FBI has opened a file on him should be enough for him to never make another public utterance until that is resolved. Yet he continues on with talkcasts and such. Unbelievable. If the FBI doesn't scare him, I can only imagine what the "other" reasons are.
Just heard your comments on the chief100 talkcast. I agree with your general negative impressions of prison (I believe we send way too many people to prison, and that prisons are lousy places), but Casey would likely go to a federal prison rather than a state facility. Federal prisons are much safer and more humane than state prisons (especially in California). Sharky is correct on his assessment of the "schools for crime" aspect of prisons. That said, I've got to agree with Duane - prison might actually benefit Casey. No one can say for certain, but it is POSSIBLE.
Flame me all you like, but I am actually knowledgeable in this area (I prefer to keep private, but trust me, I'm qualified). Prison is not a nice place, by any means, but the image of prison in TV/movies (and perhaps the one story someone heard from a friend) is often overblown. Even the issue of prison rape -- current CREDIBLE research with inmates and former inmates indicates that this is a RARE event. Sorry to burst the bubble of everyone hoping for Casey to be some "bubba's" girlfriend. Unlikely. Possible, of course, but unlikely.
Finally, my two cents: I don't think Casey is going to go to prison (at least not for very long). This whole housing bubble/foreclosure/bankruptcy wave debacle is going to "go down"/be spun as the exclusive fault of the big, evil banks, who deluded poor widdle innocent consumers (who, as adults, can't really be expected to READ what they sign, now can they??) The whole criminal justice system is all about numbers of convictions and hooking "bigger fish". Casey will cooperate and provide those who want to spin it this way with a poster boy, in exchange for a reduced sentence, perhaps not even incarceration. Maybe that's his destiny - to be the poster boy for one thing or another!
The politicized nature of this whole process is also obvious. Senators and Representatives will have a great time making careers (and hay) of this, and introducing bills to regulate lending, blah blah blah.
Watch the film "Maxed Out" for more on this. It's a pretty decent documentary, but gives NO consideraton to the responsibility that people who GET THEMSELVES INTO DEBT have. It's a personal bugaboo of mine. The banks, lenders, and certainly the credit card companies are sleazy as hell, but people are responsible for their own behavior.
I'll be shocked if Casey gets as far as working a W2 job. He'll make a halfassed effort at applying for some, get rejected, and use that as his excuse for going back to sweet deals.
Yes Casey is waffling, theres 14 pages of comments on it over at ch.c.
Here is the short
someone offered a significant amount more than Duane (he hasnt said as much, more debt than Galina has). Duane has given Casey permission to negotiate until noon tommorrow.
LMP is in the loop (feelings unknown).
I'm of the opinion Duane should enforce the existing contract (for more than one reason), but he feels getting the most money for Galina is most important, which I can't argue.
@ serinjustice Your 2:12 PM comments... 100% accurate.
My opinion, he will come to the realization that he was "forced" to sell. And will resent it. Just like he has resentment for Galina.
Casey is still chasing the shiny objects. He's still in communication with these fucking supporters who are enabling he misguided adventures. The current shiny object, getting more money for the blog which he already agreed to sell to Duane for 20k. He's had two higher offers, one as much as 35k which he is considering and Duane is allowing him to go for it.
I think Duane should take control of the blog now, and broker any deals on Casey's behalf for more money because Casey will just fuck it up. But Casey as to do it.
Casey believes that all deals can be renegotiated. And what I mean by renegotiated is that he'll just ignore the deal and say sorry dude, it's my weakness.
It is better to allow the higher bidders a chance to make good on their bids - If CS files for bankrupcy, any asset transfers will be looked at. If he sold the site in a sweetheart deal and not to the highest bidder, the court may reverse the sale.
The worst outcome, of course, will be if someone buys the site and hires CS to continue to produce content. He needs to step away from the blog completely.
That said, I fully expect he will return, he does seem to be addicted to the attention and to be SERIOUSLY adverse to work.
In all fairness to Duane, I think he's giving Casey the best best opportunity to get the absolute max he could out of the blog. He's basically stepping aside to see if the offers pan out. If nothing becomes of the offers, Duane will purchase it.
I posted this before and I'll note it again, I do not believe KC got a phone call from an FBI agent. I don't doubt there is an investigation going on (LMP has said he mentioned this in chambers, though I don't know how he knew) but the FBI does not phone subjects of investigations to let them know they're being investigated.
If they're investigating someone, they will a) meet the individual in person and b) ask all the questions, NOT tip off the subject with information.
Which begs the question, who impersonated an FBI agent in order to prank Fliptard?
The prankster may or may not have known there was a real investigation going on, he may just have guessed, and it would not be an unreasonable guess.
I don't think it was LMP because Fliptard would likely have recognized his voice.
I.m just happy that Mark ruined his reputation. What an asshole!!! I'm also glad that fatRob is checking into rehab. Good luck Rob I'm sure you'll find a higher power in your quest for sobriety.
Have I been banned or something guys? I know I wasn't my usual hat'n self last night...
But I'm back in form today. If Casey is trying to back out of his deal with Duane and Mark - well, none of us should be surprised. Afterall, two weeks ago, he told me that "contracts can always be renegotiated."
As they say, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Hope for the best, expect the worst. He is who he is.
Is anyone going to listen to the "Casey Insider" call that is to start in a couple of minutes?
Oh... I tried to register at caseyhaterz.com no luck.. never got the "confirmation" e-mail. Have I been banned here too? :(
I'd be inclined to take offense to your remark that some of us are trolls but I'm not one that usually flies off the fucking handle when dealing with people of the Internet.
So, where did I call you a troll and where did I fly off the handle? (specifically)
While addressing you, I also want to point out another issue:
Casey has some serious dysfunctional issues but he was not, ever, a physical danger to himself or anyone else. So it would have suited me fine for Casey's "situation" to have resolved itself at it's own pace.
The problem is that the people he pulled down with him would have been further in trouble. Casey was digging fast. That is why I was relating him to trying to be Buckaroo Banzai. Personally, I don't think Casey will be 'fixed' until he hits a real wall, if even then. In the last talkcast, I was still hearing him trying to hedge. I think he will revert. I just wanted to see the people he was dragging down with him released and allowed to recover. If this gives Casey a second chance, so be it so long as later on, he doesn't yet drag others down when he goes AWOL.
mejustme @ 11:30 AM: ”would love to see a breakdown of those $1,500+ costs that are coming out of Galina's money.”
Why? That’s certainly nobody’s business; the costs are quite legit, nonetheless.
What in all these blogs and blogs and blogs is anybody's business but Casey and Galina's? If you'd have minded your own business you wouldn't be involved at all. And frankly your continual hogging of the spotlight is embarrassing.
Of course it's nobody's business. And if you say your costs are legit, that's proof enough for me.
Not.
And Galina will be just fine once this is all concluded, although you’re welcome to off-set my costs and contribute to G’s fund if you like?
Me, offset your costs on a misguided travesty of our legal system? Moi? When you won't even state what they are?! For all I know it's a supply of new mittens from Neiman-Marcus.
I'm a disinterested party, remember. Or, as you call it, a dysfunctional party. Jeesh.
At least you've stopped giving away your lack of schooling by avoiding the word "whom." But if you ever want to learn how to use it, I'm sure there are basic adult school classes in your area.
I'm not ok, however, with the tactic that was utilized though. My feeling is that Casey is easily manipulated and was under extreme duress.
The method concerned me too, but I also don't know the detail of some of the contracts he has signed. While he might be easy to manipulate, Casey also does a lot of manipulation himself (those that manipulate sometimes have a hard time uncovering when it is being done to them). That being said, I don't think that going to court is manipulating. I also know that he was dragging others down with him. Problem is that if not stopped now, it will only involve more extreme duress in the future. Those that he was dragging down would have been even more adversely affected.
If totally honest and open with her and the family they may have been ok with the book knowing that it could generate some sweet passive income to pay creditors. The only other person Casey should have spoken to was an actual an actual attorney and not a law junkie.
This is probably true, but the people Casey seemed to like to 'partner' with him, would try to take him to the cleaners on the book. I don't know if there are any other 'considerations' on the assignment of the book. If it is anything like the IAFF sale, I would not be surprised that there would be a revenue assignment.
Jebus H Christ people (BJ and kate specifically).....can't you tell you're being trolled when the troll not only jumps out from under the bridge but then laughs and bitch slaps you across the face with a 20# trout?
dick is obviously a troll.
His reference to RexReason comes from the CampIdiot board (hell maybe it existed before that) where a troll makes a post with an inflammatory title. Once a person clicks to see the message it's "RexReason sucked nigger dick in prison" with an x-rated video clip of a black guy sucking off another black guy.
Galina, Casey's mom are almost like creditors because they extended credit to Casey through access of their personal credit line. Now their credit rating is tossed because the credit associated with them has not been paid.
Some of dicks comments are valid, so I answered them (the comments).
But also note his reply to my earlier statement to the effect that there were trolls on this board. I didn't point to him directly. I just said trolls. To which he seemed to identify himself to.
I tend to doubt Casey got a good deal or believe he would have sold if he didn't feel backed into a corner.
I also don’t understand why he signed an agreement with LossPro without having someone look over the contract first. Or why decided to show up at court without an attorney. But then I never understood why he bought as many homes as he did with it was obvious the market had turned.
I guess it's only fitting he gets ripped off. Still I would have thought that by this time Casey would have been wise enough NOT to sign anything (esp. those he hooked up with thru IAFF) without having the paperwork reviewed by a lawyer.
Actually I don’t think the guy’s headed for jail but an emotional breakdown? Well, that’s another story.
Casey dug being an internet star but that's coming to a close and with his marriage all but done he’s in for a rude awaking: It’s over. And once that sinks in unless he gets some serious help it’s either the bottle or worse.
@crimekate Even the issue of prison rape -- current CREDIBLE research with inmates and former inmates indicates that this is a RARE event.
The research is flawed for two reasons:
First, few men will admit to being raped during a personal interview with a stranger. Second, most prisoners think that a man who yields to intimidation or threats isn't a rape victim.
Hell, most guards think the same thing.
The biggest threat to Casey in the hoosegow will be murder. He will try some scams or gamble on credit. When he can't pay, HE WILL PAY.
I wonder if, in the few minutes between the shank entering his right kidney and him passing out, he will finally realize that he fucked up.
You are correct (all research is flawed, in fact) - but yes, your points are correct. However, that doesn't invalidate my point. I didn't put up stats because they are most likely underestimates. However, and really, the current research yields very convincing evidence of this - this particular cliche about prison is really, really overblown. (Look into the Rutgers studies, in particular. And no, I'm not one of the researchers myself).
While murders also happen in prison, it's really not quite the scene portrayed on OZ. (especially federal prisons. I'm not talking about the "Club Fed" clich here, but rather the types of offenses and offenders dealt with in the federal system are very different than those dealt with at the state level.
"Regardless of whether the lawsuit was frivolous or not, LossMitPro spent time and money on it." - from IAFF - looks like Casey thought it was frivolous.
My only question for Mark, is that since you said you would go for Casey's Fucking Throat and then everything is fine and dandy, what are you going to say once Casey does it again to you?
serinjustice: i was surprised by the level of anti-Mark, anti-deal hostility on IAFF right now. but i think the basic difference is: Mark is the only person Casey has ever met who will hold him to his agreement. And all Mark has to do to enforce it is get Casey deposed, and open the can of worms that puts Casey ultimately in jail. If Casey violates the agreement, Mark will use Casey's unprosecuted-criminal status to compel him to comply. Deposition is Casey's throat and Mark will take the time to go for it. That's how he's different. So Marty's under the bus, and Mark is not.
If Casey gets deposed in a civil suit, that will not in any way shape or form get him sent to jail. Things just do not work that way, and it's wishful thinking to think that they do. The judge cannot press charges, the civil suit jury cannot press charges... law enforcement can and they already know all about him doing this stuff and have him admitting criminal behavior on the record in both written and audio form. Yes, they definitely have enough to press charges and win the case. Some little civil suit wouldn't embarrass them into doing something either, this clown has been in USA Today as well as other newspapers and tv shows and radio shows around the world!!! And that's not enough to shame them into action but some frivolous suit by an internet bully IS enough?
I'm sick of hearing this "ooh if we get him deposed then law enforcement would do something." Seriously John, don't speak if you don't know what you are speaking about, it's stupid, its wishful thinking, and it provides people excuses to continue acting sleazily.
Question: Why would people still visit IAFF once Casey either retires or moves to another site? If he moves isn't it responsible to assume the vast majority of traffic will follow him? Yet, regardless of what Casey does after leaving IAFF will now be without its' major asset: Casey himself.
So how will the new owners expect to make money if traffic crawls to a standstill next month?
So Marty-Mart just posted at www.theforeclosurecode.com that Casey hasn't contacted him yet.
Were we to be surprised? Did we honestly feel that Casey had turned a corner? That his personality would not include such things as dealing with his problems, calling people back, trying to resolve all of his messes?
Or is he simply following the advice of those who are trying to guide him out of the intestinal maze in the hopes of trying to unscrew himself? Only time will tell...
It obvious that Casey has already back-slidded since his "coming clean" outage.
I told you so!
I personally support Mark V and Duanne for doing what they did, but what I don't like and it is very obvious by now, is that you Mark and Duanne need to back-off some when people call on you.
One day you want to go for Casey's Fucking throat, sceaming like a mad man, next day it's all good and you and Casey are tickling each other silly.
Please..... You need to settle down a bit and more importanly, when we call you on some things, like why are so nice to Casey now, or why are you so mad at Casey now, you need understand the legit of the question.
First of all Casey, I am happy that you are trying to turn your life around and stopping your criminal ways.
I honestly hope you succeed.
That being said, you need to face the music now, the destruction you soley created and the many people you ruined emotionally and financially.
So I hope and pray that they throw the book at you, that you end up serving many rotten years in prison and that you pay hard, REALLY hard for all of the damage you have caused.
Once that damaged is paid off (if it can ever be paid off), 30-50 years from now, I then hope you succeed.
Not a heater, not a supporter, but a realist wanting to make sure you now reap what you created.
First step is recognizing that damage you have done. Check.
Second step is knowing that sorry will not excuse nor fix what you have done and time to pay up.
Best of luck buddy and I hope to see a picture of you going to Jail.
7/14/07 @ 10:50am PST Facts Regarding the Foreclosure Book Publishing Agreement No communication from Casey for six days now to attempt to straighten out this mess.
Later today or tomorrow, there will be an in-depth factual analysis of the publishing agreement that Casey himself leaked out, thus violating his Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA), among other serious breaches of contract. This private agreement is posted all over the internet as a result of his leak.
These will be actual true facts to clear up any speculation that is circulating. This will not be a mud-slinging "let's get back at Casey" type thing. Facts and only facts.
Whatever "book rights" Casey has claimed to sign over, they have nothing to do with our specific agreement with him and the Foreclosure Code Book Series.
We do not need Casey's approval to proceed ahead with publishing the Foreclosure Code book. Our stance is that Casey has breached the agreement multiple times and thus our agreement with him is null and void. The agreement is governed by the state of Nevada, not California.
With no communication from Casey regarding settling any matters, we'll continue to post actual facts to stop any speculation regarding our company and our publishing agreement.
In order to resolve any issues in a fair and balanced manner, Casey needs to contact us.
Watch for the in-depth factual analysis today or tomorrow...
7/13/07 @ 2:15pm PST Foreclosure Code Book: When, or if, it Will be Released There has been a lot of speculation and drama this past week whether or not this book will be published, with, or without Casey. As of today, still no direct contact with Casey for going on five days.
With our company name and reputation, and my personal name and reputation, defamed all over the internet, as a result of being associated with Casey, with apparently many of the leaks coming from Casey himself, multiple breaches of contract, copyrighted material taken, plus, an enormous amount of wasted time, money, and energy, silence can be kept no more.
More to follow depending on how things turn out with Casey...
I met with an agent today about some land I'm looking to buy. The first words out of his mouth, "you work on the internet, have you heard about this Casey guy in California...bunch of hippies". I kid you not.
whether deposition in a civil suit is a danger to casey or not, he believes it is, so anyone who sues him gets their way. hell, NLL gets their way just for asking. he'll sign ANYTHING, with no professional consultation, and that doesn't seem to change. so marty should sue, and settle over lunch on terms of buying the domain for $20,000, thus protecting the marketing channel for his existing investment, while leasing to whomever to recover costs, and then let mark sue him over this claim that mark owns what marty publishes. anything short of controlling the domain screws marty. of course, i think marty's claims of grand rolodex power are bull and his recent communications about "talking to casey" seem to reinforce that. casey doesn't have anything to tell you, guy.
Can someone from Caseyhaterz.com please fix the registration e-mail so that people can register again? I've been waiting for the registration e-mail for more than 24 hours ... or please check the Caseyhaterz.com admin e-mail account for problems.
Mark gave Casey deadline, Casey missed. Duane sent e-mails. Duane says deal off. Casey comes back and says he was out of the house and busy and Duane's overreacting. Duane asks Casey if it was a misunderstanding and Casey hangs up. Impasse
Seriously, there is something wrong with the registration process at Caseyhaterz.com. I USED to be registered with a user account of "yss43", but somehow my registration disappeared yesterday.
Despite numerous attempts to re-register under different usernames / e-mail addresses, I do NOT get the confirmation e-mail. And no, it is not in my Junk Mail / SPAM folder -- I work in IT so I know how to check for that.
It looks like I'm not the only one having this problem. I would appreciate it if someone could pass this info along to The Dude, T or someone who can look into it. Again, my old userid was "yss43".
I didn't care for the way Casey Haterz.com came about and the responses to it from both "sides", but considering the dearth of Casey discussion and news on EN, it seems a registration at CHC is needed for me to continue my pursuit of justice towards SERCASEY. I attempted to register as 'I_L_M_S' but the confirmation email never arrived. Then, I attempted to register as 'ILMS' but the forum software told me that name had been taken. I think this may be a sign that I should return my energies and critiques to the local paper's letters-to-the-editor as opposed to Fliptard's escapades.
I think we need to get both 'sides' together. Just like Caseypedia serves a purpose and does not compete with EN, so it is with CH.C in my mind.
I see a lot of divisions occuring personally right now, and I myself am in no position to be peacemaker, but I would prefer everyone's attention was on Casey and other topics, not undoing what are really, mutually supportive sites.
A lot of folks have had to try several times to get through the reg process, don't give up! I think Annie has similar problems but was able to work it out, so I put out the call to get someone from over there to give you a hand.
Please tell us again how all is good with you and Casey, yet again..
Also, we have a UNDER THE BUS counter at CaseyPedia.com. So that we can keep a count of how many times Casey throws the same people under the bus and how they keep coming back to Casey.
I appreciate the compliments you've given me before. I saw a couple of the posts you made right before Rob deleted them. The few I saw, 'just one post this time rob, why don't you just say soem dude is banned', for example, to paraphrase, did not seem to merit deletion.
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Did she sing:
"Sooooooolar Tax Creditsssssss!"?
Oh,btw...tell the diva to keep it down.
I think Akubi is "under the weather".
aackk!!
So I'm supposed to eat crow because LossMitPunk bullied Casey into settling? And took money for "services rendered" that didn't result in any loss mitigation?
That punk-ass nimrod did more harm to his own reputation by acting like an ass-clown than Casey ever did.
This is justice?
thppttt!!!
S_t_C
Did she sing:
"Sooooooolar Tax Creditsssssss!"?
Yes, and municipal budget disasters and the new hired gun lawyer to defend San Buenaventura's impending illegal zoning changes. The fine print on what FDIC really insures. I'll probably have a few words about tonights world premier of John William's latest "Potter" score at the Hollywood Bowl.
This is intermission. The first acts were necessary to protect society. That sounds arrogant/egotistical whatever. Sorry but if people had not spoken up Casey'd have moved on to bigger things. If the Corp Credit details had not been raised here do you think he would have stopped where he did? If the secret trip to Australia had remained secret do you think there might be an offshore account by now? All the "we are watching," "what you plan is illegal" was all true and Casey has admited it. There's going to be a lot of cleaning up around the edges. Who owns the rights to the story for instance. Who is held liable for certain debts. Then theree's the upstory; who enabled this serial real estate fraud? Is there enough to go after any gurus? We any investment clubs practicing law or RE without licienses? There will be more but unless Casey has fooled almost everyone with a great performance it won't be about personal stuggles. At least not from me.
I can't keep track anymore since I've been busy at work.
LMP is an unknown.
LMP is an ass after the fraudcast.
LMP is great because of the legal filings.
LMP is an ass cause he's going to get the case thrown out.
LMP is ok since the suit has been delayed.
LMP is an ass cause he got paid and nothing else happened.
Is that the scorecard thus far?
The Casey Serin Saga officially qualifies as (Comic Book Store Guy voice) Best. Internet. Drama. Ever.
I had my doubts about the sincerity of the most recent stated efforts at making changes, but the sale of the domain is critical. Actions speak louder than words, and while the trainwreck watchers have heard all the words before, the sale of the domain is for real. While Casey still retains the potential for trying to get out of the book deal rights contract, there's nothing he can do to get the domain back. He's taken a very real step toward a new future, and he knows it.
I wish him and his family the best; it's not over, not by a long shot, but after so many steps backwards he's finally taken one big step forward.
Saw G and her Sister at McGees (a NightClub in Fair Oaks, suburb of Sacramento) Bought her a drink, she had no idea I had any clue who she was :evilgrin:. She told me she was going to be at 815L (A downtown Sacramento nightclub) on Saturday and that me and my friend should stop by.
It looks like Snowflakes days are numbered, she's already hitting the local club scene.
@ ratlab
You know, people need a bad guy in this story. Looks like I’m it! But ya can’t please everyone in a situation this complex, from a behind the scenes perspective. So if it makes people happy to have a villain in this melodrama? No big deal -- may as well let them have their entertainment.
After all, what good drama doesn’t have a heavy?
~Mark
Mark, fuck that noise brother.
You played and forced a hand. Had you not made things serious for Casey, as Rob said, what would be the next move.
He would have likely taken off for Colorado or some other supporterz location full of enablers.
He would not have easily came home from Washington either.
Fuck that noise.
Mark forced his hand. Now Casey will face what we all wanted him to face...the music. The Fed, the lawyers, the debts, his wife, his family, all of that.
It took a deal.
Mark made a compromise for the team. I admitted yesterday (without knowing the whole story) that from my perspective there was no solid endgame that would satisfy me. I've slept on this one and while I still think he was bailed out, this is still the better scenario over suicide, leaving the country for good, continued scamming, getting arrested on the spot, or turning to other things.
This is what is best for G. This is what is best for Casey.
People can argue that Duane and Mark took advantage of him and his situation, but let's face it. The story was at the end, and needed an ending. This way, it's "win-win-win".
DOUG!! BE CAREFUL!!
Maybe G and her sister are setting you up. If you and your buddy show up at the club to meet her, KC may be there to beat you up!!
You never know what a woman will do, particularly during troubled times.
Peripheral Visionary @ 7:58 AM:
”While Casey still retains the potential for trying to get out of the book deal rights contract, there's nothing he can do to get the domain back. He's taken a very real step toward a new future, and he knows it.”
Ahhhh, no, irrespective what folks may think? Casey can’t get those book rights back unless I assign them back (and I shall one day). And THAT was Casey’s choice, not my doings!
And as far as the domain sale, that too is essentially out of Casey’s hands. I also have sale rights to the domain, he can’t back out now (ANOTHER Casey requested provision). So based on these hard facts, I have to think the man is serious. And baring no strange turn of events? This story is essentially over, as far as IAFF is concerned.
@ SouthernBread
Thanks. There were some compromises on my part, but I’m glad some folk see there was an end strategy to what only APPEARS like advantage. ;)
~Mark
With all due respect, LMP, I think you're underestimating Casey's capacity for delusion. Didn't you hear his voice last night? It was flat and monotone -- except when he started talking about what he was going to do next. He started talking about blogging, and marketing, and real estate, and all of a sudden there was life and passion in his voice. He didn't even talk about Galina like in the same tone. Clearly, it's the only thing he loves. And Duane said that there is no non-compete in place w/r/t IAFF.com.
The story is not over for Casey. He's not going to fade off into the night unless he goes to jail. Mark my words.
@LMP: "Ahhhh, no, irrespective what folks may think? Casey can’t get those book rights back unless I assign them back (and I shall one day). And THAT was Casey’s choice, not my doings!"
I see the domain deal as different from the book deal. When he turns over the keys of the domain, it's done, and there's no reversing it. Plus, the fact that there's a signed contract for the domain means that Duane can force its turnover by presenting the contract to the domain provider.
I do believe Casey intends to honor the contract on the book rights assignment, but it needs to be said: he signed a contract signing over rights in the past that he completely violated. Granted, that particular contract was, by all accounts, unenforcable, but all I am saying is that previous actions must be taken into account.
I don't think he's getting the domain back, but there's a chance, even if not a big one, that he'll try to get around the book rights contract ("I only signed over the rights for my story on facing foreclosure, not my story facing the Feds!" etc.) I'm sure you're perfectly aware of that, I'm just saying that the risk is out there.
LossMitPro,
I think you need to reconsider PVs point. Casey still retains the potential for trying to get out of the book deal rights contract. I fully expect some of this as well. A little backsliding is to be expected. There's going to be shiny objects and sometime maybe even a month or two from now Casey will hint that he proven himself and it may be time to get something going with the story righrs. Something like that. This doesn't mean I don't think Casey can make it, it means he's going to backslide a little like anyone would.
Mark Villasenor Said:
> You know, people need a bad guy in
> this story. Looks like I’m it!
No, that would be Casey.
Mark - you don't rate high enough to be the bad guy, get over yourself.
Here is a question for you: Duane has put in more effort on all this and had far more out of pocket cost, yet he is going out of his way not to make a profit - proceeds from the site going to charity and all that.
You bullied CS into paying you more than simple court costs, you've pulled a profit off of others misery.
The question: Do you see the difference? Can you understand why people have respect for Duane and contempt for you?
Character shows in ones actions.
It is interesting to see the results when you google your name - not a pretty picture. You've earned that as a legacy from all of this and it is a result of your actions, not Casey's.
https://www.tdnam.com/trpItemListing.aspx?&miid=7719233
so another 10% daily price chop
looks like 10% will be going to Galina's ladies night drinks fund
10% for fishy treats
****
um CASEY your BLOG WORTH 100K
is that why you "sold" it for 20K even though you have higher offers?????!!!?!??!
Once again I'm absent for all the high-drama.
Oh well.
Mark,
Do you care to comment on why you felt the overwhelming urge to answer the majority of the questions directed at Casey last night?
I realize you're trying to look out for Casey, but you're not his father. Stop acting like one, and let speak for himself.
By letting you stay unmuted last night, he allowed you to answer all his hard questions while he sat back let you do the dirty work. Stop letting him feed you your 15 minutes, and let him face his own music.
LossMitPro -- So if it makes people happy to have a villain in this melodrama?
Mark VillainSeñor™...? ;-)
One last observation: while I think Casey has taken a very important step in the right direction, I think he is at high risk for future involvement in "shady" activity. I have seen this with other people: they'll get involved in something questionable, then will get "scared straight", go back to the respectable life for a little while . . . then, a few months or years later, it's back into the "gray areas."
The get-rich-quick bug might be half asleep for now, but it may re-awaken. Casey may go back to doing IT or general office work, but it simply would not surprise me to find out that he ends up selling herbal supplements of questionable value for a Utah County-based MLM.
Mark,
incoming e-mail. i dropped the ball, my bad.
-SB
@8:35 Sprezzatura:
I agree 100%!
First off, congratulations Mark V. Job well done and thank you for putting a stop to this thief.
Now, for what I want to say. Casey is a con-man at heart. I am hopeful that he will change, but I dought it - very obvious listening to him last night.
The only reason Casey backed down was self-preservation, nothing else.
This kid is the kind of kid that has to be watched for the rest of his life.
The only thing that will redeem Casey is time and time alone. After years of Casey doing the right thing with a proven track record of not committing any more crimes, is the day I will consider him back to normal. Until then, watch you.
One last thing, I am more than willing to bet the farm that this is NOT the end of Casey crimes or "shady deals". Just watch.
I wrote a long comment but somehow messed up the publishing. More or less it was along the lines of what Serinjustice and Peripheral Visionary wrote.
@ Rob Dawg
I understand and accept that you can't share everything you know about this. But do you feel Casey has really turned this around. It seems like you do from your comments, am I reading them correctly?
If all this went down last Sep I'd feel a lot different than what has gone on for the last 10 months. Plus the still recent steve@serin.us MLM web hosting makes me think he's just sacrificing all of his assets to get people off of his back. The fact that he has to 'choose' his family over his business makes me feel like his mentality is the same. He's just a guy who likes get rich quick schemes.
Despite what any of us have to say about LMP, he forced fliptard to do something (or give up something).
Mark, what prevents fliptard from working around the book rights to start "another" book? Same goes for IAFF? Can't he just start another site with a different site name?
"So I'm supposed to eat crow because LossMitPunk bullied Casey into settling? And took money for "services rendered" that didn't result in any loss mitigation?"
Sputnik, STFU and go shit in someone's shoes, OK?
All I can say is where there is a will, there is a WAY!!! Casey will find a way to break every one of these agreements and further piss off LMP and Duane. his track record speaks for itself. He just wants his wife to at least talk to him. HE IS DESPERATE!!!!! Wait until all of this pressure is off. he'll be back to his devious ways. A wise man once said,"YOU CAN MOVE A MOUNTAIN BEFORE CHANGING A MAN'S CHARACTER!!!"
Property Flopper
You just don't get it.
Duane worked hard to help Casey. Casey blew him off.
Rob tried to expose every lie and the little fucker thought he could always stay 1 step ahead of the possie.
He ignored and lied to his wife and family.
Hundreds of folks tried to tell Casey the error of his ways. He just grinned that stupid smirk and blew them off.
It was not until LMP used the courts to corner that little rat that he started to smarten up.
It will take time to see if Casey gets the message and goes straight.
People talk about prison or the IRS like that is the worst that could happen to him.
The thing Snowflake best understand is that when you run with lowlifes and then steal from those same dirtbags, they don't all just walk away. Sometimes you wake up half alive in a shallow grave while someone is tossing dirt on your face for screwing with them.
Just because this has been white collar crime doesn't mean evil people will not get phyiscal.
Casey: This is your 1 chance to get on the straight and narrow. I sure hope you use it, as there may not be a second one...
H
LMP - you're an ass and the most likely candidate for the next haterz target. I don't care how you justify it you bullied him into it and for that reason it won't stick. You're the sort of American I hate.
Khatie,
So I should STFU just because you don't agree with my point of view? If you rub both your brain cells together ... REALLY hard ... I'm sure you'll at some point realise the fallacious nature of what you're suggesting.
Now go check your shoes, skank.
thpptt!!!!
S_t_C
I want to know what the judge said to him that scared him shitless. Before the hearing, he was acting like "Oh, the judge is SO going to side with me and throw this out and be mad at certain people for wasting his time!" and after the hearing he did a complete 180. I figured he'd get a rude awakening from the judge, but I didn't expect him to take the judge seriously enough to "change". The judge must be a miracle worker.
@ Rob Dawg
I hear ya, and if Casey goes back to blogging he goes back to blogging, I could not force him to stop as mentioned on the podcast. Backsliding is to be expected I suppose, but for now at least enforceable agreements are in place to prevent that from taking place immediately.
Property Flopper @ 8:42AM:
”…Can you understand why people have respect for Duane and contempt for you? ...Character shows in ones actions.”
Yes I totally agree, using my real name then preaching about “character?” Well, I think I’ve demonstrated my qualities there, all in the face of cowards hiding behind pseudonyms.
ratlab @ 9:01 AM:
”Mark, what prevents fliptard from working around the book rights to start "another" book? Same goes for IAFF? Can't he just start another site with a different site name?”
Short answer; a C.C.P. 664.6 motion, with respect to the book rights. And Constitutionally no one but law enforcement can condition Casey to STOP blogging, at least I couldn’t by way of any civil settlement and expect to get away with it.
@ Gypsy Pete
Sure you want that fight? ;)
~Mark
@ Rob Dawg
I understand and accept that you can't share everything you know about this. But do you feel Casey has really turned this around. It seems like you do from your comments, am I reading them correctly?
My opinion is split several ways.
I feel that Casey believes he has turned a corner.
I feel he deserves a chance to demonstrate that he has changed. I unfortunately feel that his expectations of what that transformation should earn him and what it will actually get him will come into conflict. That will be the real test. Can Casey accept the consequences?
Again my opinion is one that does not matter. Casey claims to be ready to accept the consequences but I think that is only because he is still processing them for the first time rationally.
What is funny to me, is when Nacho paid $250 with good intentions of helping Casey and Casey blew her off royally.
Nacho was so pissed and distraut at Casey tatics that she had to take time off.
It's only a matter of time before a new shiny thing passes Casey's way and he will be back to it. Just like a drug adict.
You guys (Mark, Duanne, etc) are very smart with legal things, but you know nothing about human nature.
Again, I will repeat, I HOPE Casey changes his criminal ways, but this kid has given AMPLE warnings to everyone of who he is and what he is capable of doing.
So how many times over the next few years will G and family have to hear about how much he "gave up" for her?
@Rob, everyone...
I don't think it's about Casey's personality changing. I think it's about Casey giving up on trying to get out of this with one good deal. Or trying to get rich quick. He has to give up on this dream and embrace and accept reality. Personalities don't change that quickly.
He said last night that he avoided Marty because he knew he would buy in on what he had to say. Just like with most of the MLM garbage, and the other great ideas he's had and scaminars. He buys the hype, gets too excited and make a decision.
When he gets tempted again, and he will. He will get excited. He will feel the urge to go for it. He will have to stop himself a few times before it becomes habit. Then, overtime, he won't get as excited. He might even become skeptical. After about 5-10 years of this, he will learn to be able to judge these opportunites as they arrive. Then he might even become a good businessman.
Just my two cents....
Mark,
If you seem approaching with a burning pitchfork, no worries. I'm making smores.
Seriously, I'd be really pissed to see folks turn haterz-stalkerz on you.
But you knew that already. Public kudos for what part you played.
Sputnik:
"So I'm supposed to eat crow because LossMitPunk bullied Casey into settling? And took money for "services rendered" that didn't result in any loss mitigation?"
Look,chap,you seem to want Casey brought to heel,and he just was,a wee little bit.
Now you might not like the "cut of the jib" of the bobby who accomplished that,but that's too bloody bad,isn't it?
Cashback was in no position to bargain for anything better because of his own stupid actions and inactions.
That's too bad,my heart bleeds and I'm cryin'a river,but that doesn't mean that the pawnbroker should,or will, give me top dollar for the crap I'm trying to hock,see?
Business is fundamentally about exploitation...always will be.
@Gypsy Pete said...
So let's call a spade a spade here buddy.
Let me play devil's advoate for a second (not directed towards anyone)...
So you are saying Casey was bullied? Well what would you have prefered Casey do? Retain his blog? Continue down his path to divorce, bankruptcy, jailtime, etc.? If you feel sorry for Casey and empathy towards him, why are you wishing him to fail? :)
LossMitPro
1. What was the actual nature of the complaint(suit) you had against Casey. What damages?
2. What was the purpose of the assignment of book rights to you? Was it to prevent Marty from publishing the book?
3. Did you and Casey discuss the selling off of the blog and was it a stipulation in your settlement?
4. Did you at any time before or after your lunch with Casey speak to Duane regarding the selling of the blog, assignment of book rights or anything else regarding a settlement?
5. Who exactly informed Casey that the FBI was investigating him? When was he informed? Where and/or how was he informed?
6. Did the FBI (and other 3 letter agencies) investigations, ever come up during your talk with Casey when you two settled your suit?
7. Why did you stipulate that Casey should pay you $1,572.50 - when you know full well, and stated so, yourself that he has nothing? That money could go to Galina's CC debt.
8. Do you think Marty should be compensated for his time, effort and expenditure? Why or why not?
9. Should Marty seek judicial relief against Casey for the book deal, what are you prepared to do?
Thanks.
gypsy pete:
" Anyone with an objective view point some time in the future will review this and come to the same conclusion; LMP bullied KC into surrendering."
I can see where this could result in even MORE business or LMP.
BTW,the fact that he only received expenses...any thoughts?
Interesting time line:
- Mark tried to help Casey.
- Casey Blows him off
- Mark comes back after it's all good.
- Casey Blows him a second time.
- Casey publicy accuses Mark of attacking him and his family.
- Mark blows it that he will go After Casey's throat.
- Casey and Mark are back in good terms.
I sure hope it all works out in the end, but anyone new looking at this history must wonder what the hell?
SB et al..
Who are we to tell KC what to do? The patronising comments on EN/IAFF and DLG/LMP's parternalistic attitudes AMAZE me. Look - we all have to fail on our own terms to learn our lessons! I can only assume LMP and DLG have either no children or have forgotten what they are like to raise.
The reason I react so aggressively towards LMP is his attitude reminds me of the punks that used to bully me around when I was a young kid - and when I got out into the real world and discovered that brain does overcome brawn I swore I wouldn't let it happen to me. And that's why today of all days I have sympathy of all things towards KC.
I'm out of EN. See you on CHC.
aackk!!!
And wouldn't ya know it, LossMitPunk just showed up on IAFF, trying to boss more people around.
thpttt!!
S_t_C
R-Boy @ 9:36 AM:
”If you seem approaching with a burning pitchfork, no worries. I'm making smores.”
LOL, then we’ll have a little “WEENIE” roast! ;)
Nah, if the Anti-LossMit Haterz wanna come after me so be it, I’m ready for it. Only what they THINK will happen, ain’t gonna happen. And if they THINK I’m intimidated by the threats? (GRIN) I think you know me better?
@ Gypsy Pete
Do you’re thang, dude, and I’ll do mine. We’ll play, at least I will. ;)
@ Dick
Listen to Casey’s podcast from last night; many of your questions are answered there. For those that aren’t? Perhaps I can address them later, maybe on one of Shark’s poscasts or something. But at this time I owe Marty the respect to deal with the book deal OUTSIDE of a public forum, hope you understand.
@ serinjustice
I hear ya, but you know compromise is the root of successful negotiations. So no matter how things LOOK, the end result was a successful conclusion to a messy deal. Still, if I or Casey or Duane were to take fine lines then nothing would have been accomplished.
~Mark
Casey proved he is oblivious to ALL the normal social warning signs. Being told something was illegal, immoral, stupid whatever. It wasn't until Mark told him that next time he sticks his hand in the cookie jar it'll be cut off (I'll go for your fucking throat) that Casey actually got it.
Everybody tried all the usual influences to no effect. Everyone took progressive measures until we got what was required.
@gypsy
To answer your question, you are correct. Who are we to tell KC what to do? We are no one. Anonymous.
Casey made his life public. Therefore his life is open to the opinions and feelings of the peanut gallery.
@LMP
good going with the case, regardless how it happened (yes I'm curious like others what the exact "come to jesus" or lightbulb moment was, and the whole timing/how of the FBI is a little weird).
But from everything you have said, Casey basically gave you the farm of his own free will(and then agreed to pay/reimburse you).
I just hope your contract is solid (and whatever contract he/you signed with Duane, I expect Duane has a I __ sell domain __ to Duane Legate for $__ attorney approved standard contract for this).
My bet is Casey being Casey will eventually at least look at this with some desire to squirm out of parts. I just dont want to hear "that settlement was MONTHS ago!".
This whole thing came together pretty quick, not crapping on your past legal work but you do have a well harped on tendency to make mistakes :), hopefully someone vetted the agreement. I also hope you can control/Casey can control himself for another week before his honor (Mcmaster?) can bind this legally (I dont quite understand what role the court would play in blessing the agreement but again..I can spell law thats about it.)
And heres to hoping Marty doesnt become the fly in the ointment, I cant see him selling the book (even if somehow he gets away for it) "The unauthorized Casey Serin story" isnt going to make the NY times bestseller either.
I'm really confused. The IAFF domain was not worth $20K. Whatever it's worth now is going to drop quickly in the next few months. We laughed at Casey's $100K offer. I would have laughed if he had offered $20K. Why is this an anti-Casey victory?
And the rights to what book? The one that Casey was going to self publish at Kinkos? The one that everyone laughed at and said wouldn't sell 500 copies? Why is that something to celebrate about?
Overall, it sounds like Casey finally got a sweet deal. He finally sold something that's not worth much and dropping in value for more than it's worth, and he sold something that was always worthless.
Casey finally got what he felt he deserved. No wonder people think it sounds like he's changed because for the first time in his life, he got the good end of a deal. Once Galina takes him back, he'll be right back to scamming for his riches.
And I'll believe the FBI stuff as soon as he talks to Feds with badges instead of giving him what could have been a crank call.
I swore I wouldn't let it happen to me. And that's why today of all days I have sympathy of all things towards KC.
I'm out of EN. See you on CHC.
Fucking goward (shouts f-u and goes). You try to take a nasty swipe at the people who are beating you on your own terms (brains) and running away. You have an opinion in desperate need of facts and a qualifed proponent.
I think we all know that there is a very high chance of KC backsliding into his sweet, passive dreamworld. At least until the possible criminal trial begins.
So let's examine his baby steps. The first is obvious. Did Casey phone Marty last night, as he'd promised on the fraudcast?
NR
LossMitPro,
I listened to the podcast. I'm asking for clarification. Honestly I feel you're skirting important issues. Maybe I've overloaded the number of questions? Ok, I'll limit it to just two:
Last night, you said:
"Bottom line is this: we come out of the chambers and, by the time we come out of the chambers, it was disclosed at some point uh, that Casey was under investigation."
Did you, or did you not notify Casey that he is currently under an FBI investigation in the Judge's chambers? If not, who notified Casey that he was under investigation by the FBI (and/or any other agency) in the Judge's chambers.
I will respect the issue of the Casey/Marty...er... Mark/Marty book deal and what interests Marty may or may not have with that book deal until you two have your discussion. However, I respectfully ask what was the purpose of assignment of the book rights to you. Was it not to circumvent the business agreement that Casey and Marty had in play and to prevent the publication of the Foreclosure Code book?
Please, sir, answer these two very direct questions.
Thank you.
Rob - I work in the same (or very similar) industry as you do - I have a similar pedigree (PDP-11LSI onwards, repair skills to discrete component level etc upwards). It's not a matter of being beaten by brains perhaps but emotion. On all accounts except one (your anti immigration stance - but I do empathise with the CA. situation). I have respected you and enjoyed your posts. Good luck with the blog and I hope that in the future we can all look back at this and laugh and not have regret. Adios and stay safe.
@serinjustice 9:56
Casey Blows him a second time.
There you go. :)
Pete, fair enough.
I would like to repeat that I am very pro-immigrant. It is for this reason and others I am very anti-illegal invasion.
Indeed look at the parallels. I agree with the favorable treatment of homehowners but Casey snuck in without going through legal channels. Look at the harm he caused.
Mark Villasenor Said:
> Well, I think I’ve demonstrated my
> qualities there
Oh, you most certainly have. Again and again...
> all in the face of
> cowards hiding behind pseudonyms.
It really upset you that your "REAL NAME" got out into the public, didn't it? Well... who do you blame for that?
Tell you what - let's do a test of character. I will be quite happy to post under my real name (hell, I suspect Benoit could "out" me with about 30 second of effort - he has proven remarkably good in his detective work).
I'll happily do this if you will turn the $1,500 (and any future profits from the story rights) to a good charity. Habitat is a favorite around here.
How about it? Finally do your reputation some good...
Hey Kidz,
It’s Friday the 13th and time to play 6 Degrees of Casey Serin to Jason Voorhees!
Woohoo!
Sweet slasher exploitation fun with Kevin Bacon!
Property Flipper @ 11:11 AM:
”I'll happily do this if you will turn the $1,500 (and any future profits from the story rights) to a good charity. Habitat is a favorite around here.”
Oh I see, you want me to give up my costs of suit to prove something to YOU??? LOL, riiiight, well, if I had any respect for ya I might consider the offer. Since that’s not the case, thanks but I don’t need an exposure of you’re real name. I could get that easy enough as well. ;)
(Where do these people get such ideas??)
~Mark
Mark,
Please, may I direct you attention to my 10:24 AM post.
Thank you,
Mike (real name)
^the most you'll get. I was schooled on FC, you never, ever reveal personal info on the Internet.
I would love to see a breakdown of those $1,500+ costs that are coming out of Galina's money.
Mark -
Deduct the -actual- costs of your suit (filing fee) and donate the remaining (including book rights proceeds).
The suit did not cost you $1,500.
Figured you'd back away. Gypsy Pete had it right, it's the bully mentality.
mejustme @ 11:30 AM:
”would love to see a breakdown of those $1,500+ costs that are coming out of Galina's money.”
Why? That’s certainly nobody’s business; the costs are quite legit, nonetheless. And Galina will be just fine once this is all concluded, although you’re welcome to off-set my costs and contribute to G’s fund if you like?
@ Property Flipper
Yup that’s me, bully all the way. ;)
~Mark
[b]"I would love to see a breakdown of those $1,500+ costs that are coming out of Galina's money."[/b] - mejustme
gratis,............$314.50
zilch,.............$314.50
nada,............$314.50
zip,...............$314.50
zero-money.....$314.50
_________________________________
TOTAL............$1572.50
without delusions... PRICELESS
@ Dick
Yup, agreed, PRICELESS! ;)
~Mark
hell, I suspect Benoit could "out" me with about 30 second of effort
Taking a page from Flailing Forward, I suspect your real name is Properton Flopperopoulous ;-)
LossMitPro,
Congratulations, you earned yourself another hater. And with good reason.
But you know I'm no dipshit. You know the questions I've asked you are significant.
And you know why you'll never answer them.
I'm leaving EN too. I know I'm a nobody and don't amount to Bogie's hill of beans, but since when has that ever stopped anybody speaking their piece? You really ought to stop focusing Casey and look to yourself Rob. A victory over an opponent where you degrade yourself and become almost as slimy as him isn't much of a victory. Climbing into bed with that piece of shit Lostmittpro was a bad move. Just because he's anti-Casey you're willing to accept anything huh? Grow some morals man.
Dick @ 12:00 PM:
”…you earned yourself another hater….And you know why you'll never answer them.”
LOL, I earned myself another Hater because I won’t answer questions that have already been addressed, and am showing respect to the court. Yup, pure sound logic; I can’t ague with.
Tell me, do people like you REEEAALY think I care?
~Mark
Mark,
some of these people just need to read a book every now and then...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM5i0zPC4T8&mode=related&search=
@LossMitPro
Tell me, do people like you REEEAALY think I care?
Unfortunately it sounds like you do.. you are responding to their posts/questions.
I'm leaving EN too. ...A victory over an opponent where you degrade yourself and become almost as slimy as him isn't much of a victory.
Leave your real name and contact info and I shall get back to you with the details of my having degraded myself. Pardon while I don'thold my breath. You see Ellit one thing that has become clear is that there is a huge body of people who somehow feel they can say anything they want as long as they are anonymous. This is not correct as you have just demonstrated.
Climbing into bed with that piece of shit Lostmittpro was a bad move. Just because he's anti-Casey you're willing to accept anything huh?
Being a recent arrival you are forgiven for having formed that opinion. Being as you are leaving there's no need to correct your misapprehension.
Grow some morals man.
Excellent avice best provided via demonstration and not lecture.
Benoit Said:
> I suspect your real name is
> Properton Flopperopoulous ;-)
Darn it, you Benoit, you got me. Yes, I am of the famous Flopperopoulous clan. :)
Wow, the breakdown of the "Casey Community" is pretty interesting. Is this typical for an Internet phenomenon?
This whole situation was based around someone who was doing some bad things and continued to do them.
A few actually got involved beyond the "fun and internet sleuthing" and did something about it.
Casey is done (and has been doomed for a while but just didnt realize it.)
Now people don't like the methodology that got us here and are going off to pout.
Bizarre.
Hey Mark,
Casey has been rubbing off on you. You too are feeding on your own bullshit.
I'm a dick. You know what a dick has? Balls.
Unlike you, I don't have to overcompensate when my masculinity is threatened, by verbally berating weak children to prove how much of a man I am.
My actions are enough. How I carry myself in business and life speaks volumes... to me. And that's what I care about. And perhaps the most important thing I may possess is not wealth, or respect or adoration from others but ethos. Something that has and will forever elude you. The rest simply fall into place.
Good luck to you, Mark.
Dick,
I know your beef appears to be with LossMitt but I still would like an answer to this. If he had not stood up to Casey and forced Casey's hand, then how would the situation resolve itself to the betterment of Casey, G, the public-at-large, etc?
@ BJ
Slow day (Fridays generally are for me).
Foreclosure News
From some industry sources...
*****
California, the largest state, had the greatest number of foreclosures in June with 38,801, or one foreclosure for every 315 households.
About 58 percent of the properties in foreclosure are tied to subprime loans, according to a RealtyTrac spokesperson.
*****
~Mark
Next month will be worse. A whole new set of arm's being reset. Plus there are threats of class-action suits against mortgage providers for issueing subprime loans and predatory lending practices.
139. pink_lips
July 13th, 2007 at 12:09 pm
Hi Casey, I have tried to contact you with no response. Why are you dealing with lossMittTit? He is obviously a vulture of the highest order. I will NEVER visit this sight again knowing he will be profiting, and I am sure others wont either.
The “draw” has always been you and your story. This site will do nothing and earn nothing after (if) you are gone.
I am sorry you did not talk to me before all of this, as I do have some funds available that may have helped against the people that are supposedly helping you. Good luck Casey
I guess Casey lost out - PinkLipz haz some fundz, ya'll!!!
@Nice
"...ya'll!!!"????
Is it just me or are the Lower East Coasters taking over? :)
Hey SB,
I appreciate your question™ but our friends, Casey and Mark have already stipulated that Casey was not "motivated" to sell the blog, unload the book, remove himself from the Internet and get a W-2 job by such things as petty lawsuits or minor nuisances like say an FBI investigation.
Rather, the only motivation was to rectify the wrongs in his marriage and nurse it back to health.
As much as I would love to answer your question, the point would, ostensibly be is moot.
Wow. Just checking in & it's flameflest. What happened to all the fun people who could occasionally veer off topic to discuss the amazing length of the Argentinian Duck Dong?
nice,
Casey missing out on some hot cougar action.
This kid can never make the right decision.
@Dick,
I'm really confused now and hope you can clear this up for me. You have a problem with the way the situation was handled, but you offer no other solution or method of which it should have been handled. Is that your position?
Mark, I'm getting a kick out of your transformation into an immature e-thug, chock full of e-threats and e-badassery.
Yes, the Fart™ is calling you immature. I guess it takes one to know one, eh?
Re-read some of your posts, big man. Really. You don't need to worry about a third party sullying your name on the internet.
You take care of that task all by your lonesome...
LMP:
Since that’s not the case, thanks but I don’t need an exposure of you’re real name. I could get that easy enough as well. ;)
I really want a snarky comment for this, but I'm way too busy shaking in my e-boots. I'll see if I can think something up later...
@Nigel's Guest Blogger
Wow, the breakdown of the "Casey Community" is pretty interesting. Is this typical for an Internet phenomenon?
Actually the regulars are still here. We are just watching the trolls, troll themselves. All that happened is that the trolls learned to register for a blogger account.. The base core is still the same.
@Hyper Fart
I really want a snarky comment for this, but I'm way too busy shaking in my e-boots. I'll see if I can think something up later..
You shouldn't have posted this. It makes you look slow on the draw.. Better to keep silent than confirm..
Yeah, Bemused Guy, I also miss Argentinian Duck Dongs and thongs.
Pardon me while I throw some news in the middle of the flame war, but Duane is reporting on CHC that his deal to buy the blog is on hold pending the review of some higher offers that came in last night.
Interesting how anything dealing with Casey never ends, isn't it?
LiMPs 15 minutes of fame is about up.
SB,
You're asking me to answer a question that has already been answered, by the man himself, Casey. Apparently you want me to offer "another" scenario in which Casey could have achieved the same result: being forcibly stripped of his blog, potential lucrative book publishing deal, and the civil liberty to post on the Internet. Is this what you're asking?
You're essentially asking a loaded question, the great equalizer in fact. Despite the ridiculousness of this, I will give you my perspective however it will obviously not be the answer you want.
Casey has some serious dysfunctional issues but he was not, ever, a physical danger to himself or anyone else. So it would have suited me fine for Casey's "situation" to have resolved itself at it's own pace. In fact the wheels have already been set in motion with Galina resent moves. I think she's better off with out him. He abused their relationship and never appreciated her. (But he's come to realize that.)
Casey hasn't learned a damn thing being forced to do the things he's had to do in the passed few days. He may convince himself that he chose to quit this life for his wife, but the reality is, he was under immense emotional (and financial) pressures. Exactly how the current events played out, we will never know because parties involved will never discuss them publicly.
So you want to know how else this would have been resolved? Galina would file for divorce. Mortgage companies would have finally sold off the homes Casey bought and sued Casey for the losses. Cashcall would have filed suit. During the suits, but most likely after, after Casey has been found to be in severe neglect of numerous laws, Fed, state and/or local authorities would have launched criminal charges against him and his ass would be in jail.
All things which are still going to happen. Galina will also still be on the hook and her credit will still be fucked.
So there you go, I just wasted my fucking time, entertaining you and answering your dumb question.
A dumb question, maybe? But you have enlightened me to your position.
I'm not trying to bait you, I simply wished to know where you were coming from.
I agree that he is not off the hook on most of that. He will still owe a lot of money. Money that he will likely never be able to fully repay.
Thanks for your time and the response.
@Roger
Can a leopard chang his spots? LOL -- How very Casey.
IAFF may go the way of the dinosaur--but Casey will forever be hunting for that golden goose.
BJ,
I'd be inclined to take offense to your remark that some of us are trolls but I'm not one that usually flies off the fucking handle when dealing with people of the Internet.
Cheers!
Can we start a how long til Casey comes back party, or is it too soon?
Can we start a how long til Casey comes back party
Just set your kitchen "egg timer" for roughly 35 minutes, on midnight August 3rd. He'll be back before the bell rings. :-Þ
Casey's next steps:
1. Talk to Marty about possible deals that won't run afoul of Mark's contract.
2. Try to get Duane to persuade Galina to take him back by keeping up the "I've changed" act for a while.
3. Plan relaunch of IAFF under a new name. The name had to be changed anyway because it's no longer accurate, so getting G's credit cards paid off for it was a sweet deal!
Thanks SB,
I may have not official stated my approval of the Casey world tour coming to an end - but I am ok with it. I'm ok with Casey selling the blog. I'm ok Casey stepping off the internet. I'm not ok, however, with the tactic that was utilized though. My feeling is that Casey is easily manipulated and was under extreme duress.
The book deal is something I'm a little torn on. On the one hand, I think it was probably his only real leverage left. It could have potentially made him some serious money, which if used properly , could have alleviated one or two or more creditors debt (for both Casey and Galina.) I think the one person Casey should have communicated with was his wife. If totally honest and open with her and the family they may have been ok with the book knowing that it could generate some sweet passive income to pay creditors. The only other person Casey should have spoken to was an actual an actual attorney and not a law junkie. The circumstances of the assignment of the book rights is a big thorn in my side because it's perfectly evident that it was done for the sole purpose of circumventing the Casey/Marty business agreement. LMP will pressure Marty to back off, like he pressured Casey. Shyster or not, Marty has legitimate rights to earn his far share of a buck. LMP is, and so is Duane.
fackENers @ 1:19 PM:
”LiMPs 15 minutes of fame is about up”
And thank God for that (about time too)! ;)
~Mark
Mark:
Why did Casey sign ownership of the book deal away?
Was it so he didn't have to sink more money into it?
I thought it was all set to come out (the book) and start making money.
Duane:
I hope Casey doesn't resent galina for him having his hand forced by Mark. Really it would have been better to have Galina empowered and have been the one to force Caseys hand. I don't know how qualified Duane is as marriage counseling. Are arrangements being made for them to get a ligit counselor or has duane committed to long term counseling.
Galina:
Are you really going to 815L?
*grinding teeth*
I would like to hold out hope that Casey might be trying to turn a corner, but I'm beginning to question that, yet again.
Has everyone forgotten that he still has the serin.us domain? It would be easy to simply set some stuff up on that site. I found his Australian adventure fascinating and wouldn't mind seeing some more "Globe Trekker" type stuff with photos and so forth. Of course, he may have to stick closer to home for a while -- Fresno, Modesto, etc. but there's a world of fun stuff right there in CA. He could put a RE focus on his travels to give them the unique angle people expect from him; drive around the suburbs in his Vdubs looking at developments and foreclosures and posting about the breaking of the RE bubble, etc.
Huell Howser, move over ...
PS and don't forget www ifacedforeclosure com, which is still up for auction on myebid ... (hint hint)
@Nigel's Guest Blogger: "Wow, the breakdown of the "Casey Community" is pretty interesting. Is this typical for an Internet phenomenon?"
Overall, I don't think it's unusual, it might even be typical. I call it the "Ginger Magician" effect, but it would take a while to explain the source for that one . . .
At 2:03 PM, LossMitPro said...
fackENers @ 1:19 PM:
”LiMPs 15 minutes of fame is about up”
And thank God for that (about time too)! ;)
~Mark
Mark you don't have to respond to every post that references you. Makes you seem desperate for the attention. please don't say that you don't care what I or anybody else thinks about you. If you do I will be so hurt.
@Dick.
I understand many of your obsersations, but have you ever worked with a drug adict?
I have and you can never reason with a drug adict. Casey is no different.
The only thing I see here is way too much optimism - Casey will be back, sooner rather than later.
Casey, right at this momemnt, is going through Sellers Remorse and he is thinking twice if he made the right decision.
Later, when Casey see's that Galina will not take him back and how AWFUL a W2 job can be, how mundane W2 jobs are, how he will be the grunt worker he so much dispices, he will come back to his criminal ways.
Just watch and see. Just like when Mark said all was good between Casey and Him, what 3 times now, watch Mark change his mind yet again.
It's only a matter of time.
Benoit is right. He'll be back by 8/15/07 and it probably won't take him that long. If that was the real Galina posting last night, it doesn't sound like she's waiting for his return with open arms. Since this ostensible change of heart has to do with getting her back, that reason will not be holding him back much longer.
Of course, there are the other reasons for the the change of heart that those of us in the outer circle don't know about, so that may keep him offline.
Just the fact that the FBI has opened a file on him should be enough for him to never make another public utterance until that is resolved. Yet he continues on with talkcasts and such. Unbelievable. If the FBI doesn't scare him, I can only imagine what the "other" reasons are.
I can't believe he won't be back.
Did Casey sell iamfacingforclosure.com (no 'e') too or does he still have that one?
Sharky -
Just heard your comments on the chief100 talkcast. I agree with your general negative impressions of prison (I believe we send way too many people to prison, and that prisons are lousy places), but Casey would likely go to a federal prison rather than a state facility. Federal prisons are much safer and more humane than state prisons (especially in California). Sharky is correct on his assessment of the "schools for crime" aspect of prisons. That said, I've got to agree with Duane - prison might actually benefit Casey. No one can say for certain, but it is POSSIBLE.
Flame me all you like, but I am actually knowledgeable in this area (I prefer to keep private, but trust me, I'm qualified). Prison is not a nice place, by any means, but the image of prison in TV/movies (and perhaps the one story someone heard from a friend) is often overblown. Even the issue of prison rape -- current CREDIBLE research with inmates and former inmates indicates that this is a RARE event. Sorry to burst the bubble of everyone hoping for Casey to be some "bubba's" girlfriend. Unlikely. Possible, of course, but unlikely.
Finally, my two cents: I don't think Casey is going to go to prison (at least not for very long). This whole housing bubble/foreclosure/bankruptcy wave debacle is going to "go down"/be spun as the exclusive fault of the big, evil banks, who deluded poor widdle innocent consumers (who, as adults, can't really be expected to READ what they sign, now can they??) The whole criminal justice system is all about numbers of convictions and hooking "bigger fish". Casey will cooperate and provide those who want to spin it this way with a poster boy, in exchange for a reduced sentence, perhaps not even incarceration. Maybe that's his destiny - to be the poster boy for one thing or another!
The politicized nature of this whole process is also obvious. Senators and Representatives will have a great time making careers (and hay) of this, and introducing bills to regulate lending, blah blah blah.
Watch the film "Maxed Out" for more on this. It's a pretty decent documentary, but gives NO consideraton to the responsibility that people who GET THEMSELVES INTO DEBT have. It's a personal bugaboo of mine. The banks, lenders, and certainly the credit card companies are sleazy as hell, but people are responsible for their own behavior.
/steps off soapboax
Yes, Casey will be back.
Just wait til Casey is working a W2 job doing mundane things, grunt work which he has made so much fun of.
Casey will begin to sweat, and remember how much fun he had pocking at W2 workers, grunt workers, how he is so much better that that.
Casey will TURN the moment a shiny new things crosses his way.
Casey is about to face his worse nightmare - His own self.
Hey, it happened sooner than I expected:
At CaseyPedia.com, it now says:
AFF sold to Duane, but Casey is waffling (has other higher offers)
Note the "but" part. Amazing. It already started and his blog is not even down yet...
I'll be shocked if Casey gets as far as working a W2 job. He'll make a halfassed effort at applying for some, get rejected, and use that as his excuse for going back to sweet deals.
the fat lady belched, false alarm people :)
If it were me, and it's not, I'd expect Duane to rescend the offer if he doesn't make a decision by Monday.
Higher offers my ass. He's just trying to milk Duane for more money. He's pulled that stunt before.
Yes Casey is waffling, theres 14 pages of comments on it over at ch.c.
Here is the short
someone offered a significant amount more than Duane (he hasnt said as much, more debt than Galina has). Duane has given Casey permission to negotiate until noon tommorrow.
LMP is in the loop (feelings unknown).
I'm of the opinion Duane should enforce the existing contract (for more than one reason), but he feels getting the most money for Galina is most important, which I can't argue.
@ serinjustice
Your 2:12 PM comments... 100% accurate.
My opinion, he will come to the realization that he was "forced" to sell. And will resent it. Just like he has resentment for Galina.
Casey is still chasing the shiny objects. He's still in communication with these fucking supporters who are enabling he misguided adventures. The current shiny object, getting more money for the blog which he already agreed to sell to Duane for 20k. He's had two higher offers, one as much as 35k which he is considering and Duane is allowing him to go for it.
I think Duane should take control of the blog now, and broker any deals on Casey's behalf for more money because Casey will just fuck it up. But Casey as to do it.
@crimekate
Hi RexReason, you know what you did in prison. Don't make me say it.
Duane needs to hold him to the contract in my opinion as well. That kid needs to learn that a deal is a deal.
Casey believes that all deals can be renegotiated. And what I mean by renegotiated is that he'll just ignore the deal and say sorry dude, it's my weakness.
It is better to allow the higher bidders a chance to make good on their bids - If CS files for bankrupcy, any asset transfers will be looked at. If he sold the site in a sweetheart deal and not to the highest bidder, the court may reverse the sale.
The worst outcome, of course, will be if someone buys the site and hires CS to continue to produce content. He needs to step away from the blog completely.
That said, I fully expect he will return, he does seem to be addicted to the attention and to be SERIOUSLY adverse to work.
Oh man, this is like a bad dream in steroids on a non-stop roller coaster.
Casey is already back to his ways and Duanne is backing down. Amazing.
Watch how Casey will push the envelope more and more until the new law suit.
The Blog will be sold to the HIGGER bidder, the higher bidder will ENABLE Casey to continue to bring in more money for the new owner.
Amazing, but you guys know nothing about Human nature.
Duane, Mark, my hats goes off to you with legal things, but you guys are kids in this area.
Casey is going to throw you both under the Bus, what 4 times now? And both of you will come back for more with it's all good now for the x time.
Amazing.
In all fairness to Duane, I think he's giving Casey the best best opportunity to get the absolute max he could out of the blog. He's basically stepping aside to see if the offers pan out. If nothing becomes of the offers, Duane will purchase it.
There is NO fairness when deal with a con-man.
For goodness sake, that is the entire reason for the name - A CON MAN.
At this point in time, if Casey screws Duanne again, then Duane deserves it.
I am all for fairness, but you need to be working with fair people to begin with. Casey is not one.
I posted this before and I'll note it again, I do not believe KC got a phone call from an FBI agent. I don't doubt there is an investigation going on (LMP has said he mentioned this in chambers, though I don't know how he knew) but the FBI does not phone subjects of investigations to let them know they're being investigated.
If they're investigating someone, they will a) meet the individual in person and b) ask all the questions, NOT tip off the subject with information.
Which begs the question, who impersonated an FBI agent in order to prank Fliptard?
The prankster may or may not have known there was a real investigation going on, he may just have guessed, and it would not be an unreasonable guess.
I don't think it was LMP because Fliptard would likely have recognized his voice.
I'm fucking amazed LMP did not twist the shmuck's arm into a declaration of legal incompetence and have him assigned power of attorney and payee.
I agree about the FBI thing probably being fake.
Maybe Casey already called, found it was fake and this is why he is already back to screwing people.
Amazing. Doesn't anyone here ever learn?
I.m just happy that Mark ruined his reputation. What an asshole!!! I'm also glad that fatRob is checking into rehab. Good luck Rob I'm sure you'll find a higher power in your quest for sobriety.
Uh oh. Looks like Casey didn't call Marty last night:
"still no direct contact with Casey for going on five days". Apparently that's pissed off Marty a little.
www.foreclosurecode.com - scroll to bottom. No news, just a tease of a forthcoming unloading on Casey.
wow what a joke.....
Hey Rob go have a few drinks you'll feel better
What is the site where there is talk going on about Casey already going back on his word?
caseyhaterz.com. You have to register to read, and registration doesn't seem to be working at the moment.
@serinjustice 3:19
The Blog will be sold to the HIGGER bidder
LMAO. Beware the Higger Bidders!
(Better watch how you say that in certain neighborhoods ...)
Mark Villasenor -
Did any part of Casey's agreement with you break his agreement with Marty?
Do we know who mentioned first that the FBI was investigating Casey? Was it the judge or LMP?
Have I been banned or something guys? I know I wasn't my usual hat'n self last night...
But I'm back in form today. If Casey is trying to back out of his deal with Duane and Mark - well, none of us should be surprised. Afterall, two weeks ago, he told me that "contracts can always be renegotiated."
As they say, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Hope for the best, expect the worst. He is who he is.
Is anyone going to listen to the "Casey Insider" call that is to start in a couple of minutes?
Oh... I tried to register at caseyhaterz.com no luck.. never got the "confirmation" e-mail. Have I been banned here too? :(
What happens when someone gives a party and no one shows up???? A BOMB.
Circle of Trust - the big "Casey Insider" who trolled us last week shows up for the fraudcast... and it was a fraud.... Zip, zilch, nada.
And to think, I was going to flash the boobs tonight!
Sorry guys.
@dick
I'd be inclined to take offense to your remark that some of us are trolls but I'm not one that usually flies off the fucking handle when dealing with people of the Internet.
So, where did I call you a troll and where did I fly off the handle? (specifically)
While addressing you, I also want to point out another issue:
Casey has some serious dysfunctional issues but he was not, ever, a physical danger to himself or anyone else. So it would have suited me fine for Casey's "situation" to have resolved itself at it's own pace.
The problem is that the people he pulled down with him would have been further in trouble. Casey was digging fast. That is why I was relating him to trying to be Buckaroo Banzai. Personally, I don't think Casey will be 'fixed' until he hits a real wall, if even then. In the last talkcast, I was still hearing him trying to hedge. I think he will revert. I just wanted to see the people he was dragging down with him released and allowed to recover. If this gives Casey a second chance, so be it so long as later on, he doesn't yet drag others down when he goes AWOL.
@ dick
I have no idea what your comment meant. I have no affiliation with someone called "RexReason".
maybe it was a typo/misfire. If so carry on!
Annie:
No way you are banned -- check your spam bin.
Is anyone going to watch the KCRA interview tonight? I'm interested in how many times he blinks his eyes.
mejustme @ 11:30 AM:
”would love to see a breakdown of those $1,500+ costs that are coming out of Galina's money.”
Why? That’s certainly nobody’s business; the costs are quite legit, nonetheless.
What in all these blogs and blogs and blogs is anybody's business but Casey and Galina's? If you'd have minded your own business you wouldn't be involved at all. And frankly your continual hogging of the spotlight is embarrassing.
Of course it's nobody's business. And if you say your costs are legit, that's proof enough for me.
Not.
And Galina will be just fine once this is all concluded, although you’re welcome to off-set my costs and contribute to G’s fund if you like?
Me, offset your costs on a misguided travesty of our legal system? Moi? When you won't even state what they are?! For all I know it's a supply of new mittens from Neiman-Marcus.
I'm a disinterested party, remember. Or, as you call it, a dysfunctional party. Jeesh.
At least you've stopped giving away your lack of schooling by avoiding the word "whom." But if you ever want to learn how to use it, I'm sure there are basic adult school classes in your area.
@dick
I'm not ok, however, with the tactic that was utilized though. My feeling is that Casey is easily manipulated and was under extreme duress.
The method concerned me too, but I also don't know the detail of some of the contracts he has signed. While he might be easy to manipulate, Casey also does a lot of manipulation himself (those that manipulate sometimes have a hard time uncovering when it is being done to them). That being said, I don't think that going to court is manipulating. I also know that he was dragging others down with him. Problem is that if not stopped now, it will only involve more extreme duress in the future. Those that he was dragging down would have been even more adversely affected.
@dick
If totally honest and open with her and the family they may have been ok with the book knowing that it could generate some sweet passive income to pay creditors. The only other person Casey should have spoken to was an actual an actual attorney and not a law junkie.
This is probably true, but the people Casey seemed to like to 'partner' with him, would try to take him to the cleaners on the book. I don't know if there are any other 'considerations' on the assignment of the book. If it is anything like the IAFF sale, I would not be surprised that there would be a revenue assignment.
Comments are were recently made on the IAFF blog about buying the site from Casey.
However LossPro asked posters to refrain from making offers to buy the domain because Casey no longer controls those sale rights. LossPro does!!
What's that all about?
@John
I think LossMitPro is managing several aspects of Casey's assets to the benefit of debtors.. ie Galina, Casey's mom.
Jebus H Christ people (BJ and kate specifically).....can't you tell you're being trolled when the troll not only jumps out from under the bridge but then laughs and bitch slaps you across the face with a 20# trout?
dick is obviously a troll.
His reference to RexReason comes from the CampIdiot board (hell maybe it existed before that) where a troll makes a post with an inflammatory title. Once a person clicks to see the message it's "RexReason sucked nigger dick in prison" with an x-rated video clip of a black guy sucking off another black guy.
Sheesh....jiminy trolling crickets.
Oops wrong effective side of the transaction,
Galina, Casey's mom are almost like creditors because they extended credit to Casey through access of their personal credit line. Now their credit rating is tossed because the credit associated with them has not been paid.
@ The_Scum
Thanks - I don't follow all the EN comments that closely, I should have simply ignored it.
@the_scum
And you are not?
Some of dicks comments are valid, so I answered them (the comments).
But also note his reply to my earlier statement to the effect that there were trolls on this board. I didn't point to him directly. I just said trolls. To which he seemed to identify himself to.
@The_Scum
Uh,... hi there. Yes, I post at CI and FFC, as do many other people here. Including yourself. WTF is that supposed to mean?
My RexReason post above was to someone I though was Rex. You're an idiot.
I tend to doubt Casey got a good deal or believe he would have sold if he didn't feel backed into a corner.
I also don’t understand why he signed an agreement with LossPro without having someone look over the contract first. Or why decided to show up at court without an attorney. But then I never understood why he bought as many homes as he did with it was obvious the market had turned.
I guess it's only fitting he gets ripped off. Still I would have thought that by this time Casey would have been wise enough NOT to sign anything (esp. those he hooked up with thru IAFF) without having the paperwork reviewed by a lawyer.
Actually I don’t think the guy’s headed for jail but an emotional breakdown? Well, that’s another story.
Casey dug being an internet star but that's coming to a close and with his marriage all but done he’s in for a rude awaking: It’s over. And once that sinks in unless he gets some serious help it’s either the bottle or worse.
@crimekate
Even the issue of prison rape -- current CREDIBLE research with inmates and former inmates indicates that this is a RARE event.
The research is flawed for two reasons:
First, few men will admit to being raped during a personal interview with a stranger. Second, most prisoners think that a man who yields to intimidation or threats isn't a rape victim.
Hell, most guards think the same thing.
The biggest threat to Casey in the hoosegow will be murder. He will try some scams or gamble on credit. When he can't pay, HE WILL PAY.
I wonder if, in the few minutes between the shank entering his right kidney and him passing out, he will finally realize that he fucked up.
@bz
You are correct (all research is flawed, in fact) - but yes, your points are correct. However, that doesn't invalidate my point. I didn't put up stats because they are most likely underestimates. However, and really, the current research yields very convincing evidence of this - this particular cliche about prison is really, really overblown. (Look into the Rutgers studies, in particular. And no, I'm not one of the researchers myself).
While murders also happen in prison, it's really not quite the scene portrayed on OZ. (especially federal prisons. I'm not talking about the "Club Fed" clich here, but rather the types of offenses and offenders dealt with in the federal system are very different than those dealt with at the state level.
cheers.
"Regardless of whether the lawsuit was frivolous or not, LossMitPro spent time and money on it." - from IAFF - looks like Casey thought it was frivolous.
the only explanation of the lawsuit that ever made sense to me was: casey agreed to keep mark anonymous, and then broke the agreement.
no lawsuit that gets casey deposed is frivolous. game, match, and set. name your price! and he did.
JohnDiddler, but none of that ever happened. So kindly stop blathering about fuckheaded hypotheticals.
Kthanx.
hi, dick. my, you are a dick!
You guys are all for one rude awakening.
Casey will go back to doing "shady" things.
My only question for Mark, is that since you said you would go for Casey's Fucking Throat and then everything is fine and dandy, what are you going to say once Casey does it again to you?
serinjustice: i was surprised by the level of anti-Mark, anti-deal hostility on IAFF right now. but i think the basic difference is: Mark is the only person Casey has ever met who will hold him to his agreement. And all Mark has to do to enforce it is get Casey deposed, and open the can of worms that puts Casey ultimately in jail. If Casey violates the agreement, Mark will use Casey's unprosecuted-criminal status to compel him to comply. Deposition is Casey's throat and Mark will take the time to go for it. That's how he's different. So Marty's under the bus, and Mark is not.
John,
If Casey gets deposed in a civil suit, that will not in any way shape or form get him sent to jail. Things just do not work that way, and it's wishful thinking to think that they do. The judge cannot press charges, the civil suit jury cannot press charges... law enforcement can and they already know all about him doing this stuff and have him admitting criminal behavior on the record in both written and audio form. Yes, they definitely have enough to press charges and win the case. Some little civil suit wouldn't embarrass them into doing something either, this clown has been in USA Today as well as other newspapers and tv shows and radio shows around the world!!! And that's not enough to shame them into action but some frivolous suit by an internet bully IS enough?
I'm sick of hearing this "ooh if we get him deposed then law enforcement would do something." Seriously John, don't speak if you don't know what you are speaking about, it's stupid, its wishful thinking, and it provides people excuses to continue acting sleazily.
Question: Why would people still visit IAFF once Casey either retires or moves to another site? If he moves isn't it responsible to assume the vast majority of traffic will follow him? Yet, regardless of what Casey does after leaving IAFF will now be without its' major asset: Casey himself.
So how will the new owners expect to make money if traffic crawls to a standstill next month?
So Marty-Mart just posted at www.theforeclosurecode.com that Casey hasn't contacted him yet.
Were we to be surprised? Did we honestly feel that Casey had turned a corner? That his personality would not include such things as dealing with his problems, calling people back, trying to resolve all of his messes?
Or is he simply following the advice of those who are trying to guide him out of the intestinal maze in the hopes of trying to unscrew himself? Only time will tell...
Now that Mark has settled the lawsuit. I have three questions.
1. Will Mark still help Casey work out settlements with his lenders?
2. Will Duane still give Casey an IT job?
3. Will Galina call off the divorce?
It obvious that Casey has already back-slidded since his "coming clean" outage.
I told you so!
I personally support Mark V and Duanne for doing what they did, but what I don't like and it is very obvious by now, is that you Mark and Duanne need to back-off some when people call on you.
One day you want to go for Casey's Fucking throat, sceaming like a mad man, next day it's all good and you and Casey are tickling each other silly.
Please..... You need to settle down a bit and more importanly, when we call you on some things, like why are so nice to Casey now, or why are you so mad at Casey now, you need understand the legit of the question.
This is for Casey:
First of all Casey, I am happy that you are trying to turn your life around and stopping your criminal ways.
I honestly hope you succeed.
That being said, you need to face the music now, the destruction you soley created and the many people you ruined emotionally and financially.
So I hope and pray that they throw the book at you, that you end up serving many rotten years in prison and that you pay hard, REALLY hard for all of the damage you have caused.
Once that damaged is paid off (if it can ever be paid off), 30-50 years from now, I then hope you succeed.
Not a heater, not a supporter, but a realist wanting to make sure you now reap what you created.
First step is recognizing that damage you have done. Check.
Second step is knowing that sorry will not excuse nor fix what you have done and time to pay up.
Best of luck buddy and I hope to see a picture of you going to Jail.
This is posted at foreclosurecode.com:
7/14/07 @ 10:50am PST
Facts Regarding the Foreclosure Book Publishing Agreement
No communication from Casey for six days now to attempt to straighten out this mess.
Later today or tomorrow, there will be an in-depth factual analysis of the publishing agreement that Casey himself leaked out, thus violating his Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA), among other serious breaches of contract. This private agreement is posted all over the internet as a result of his leak.
These will be actual true facts to clear up any speculation that is circulating. This will not be a mud-slinging "let's get back at Casey" type thing. Facts and only facts.
Whatever "book rights" Casey has claimed to sign over, they have nothing to do with our specific agreement with him and the Foreclosure Code Book Series.
We do not need Casey's approval to proceed ahead with publishing the Foreclosure Code book. Our stance is that Casey has breached the agreement multiple times and thus our agreement with him is null and void. The agreement is governed by the state of Nevada, not California.
With no communication from Casey regarding settling any matters, we'll continue to post actual facts to stop any speculation regarding our company and our publishing agreement.
In order to resolve any issues in a fair and balanced manner, Casey needs to contact us.
Watch for the in-depth factual analysis today or tomorrow...
7/13/07 @ 2:15pm PST
Foreclosure Code Book: When, or if, it Will be Released
There has been a lot of speculation and drama this past week whether or not this book will be published, with, or without Casey. As of today, still no direct contact with Casey for going on five days.
With our company name and reputation, and my personal name and reputation, defamed all over the internet, as a result of being associated with Casey, with apparently many of the leaks coming from Casey himself, multiple breaches of contract, copyrighted material taken, plus, an enormous amount of wasted time, money, and energy, silence can be kept no more.
More to follow depending on how things turn out with Casey...
About the 6 days Casey has not called Marty.
Like I said, Casey is alreay back-slidding. What, 1-2 days after the "coming clean" promise?
A con-man is a con-man. A drug adict can be helped by simply locking them up in a safe house. But a con-man cannot be changed.
I hear that the deal between Duane and Casey is off.
Does that surprise anyone?
I met with an agent today about some land I'm looking to buy. The first words out of his mouth, "you work on the internet, have you heard about this Casey guy in California...bunch of hippies". I kid you not.
whether deposition in a civil suit is a danger to casey or not, he believes it is, so anyone who sues him gets their way. hell, NLL gets their way just for asking. he'll sign ANYTHING, with no professional consultation, and that doesn't seem to change. so marty should sue, and settle over lunch on terms of buying the domain for $20,000, thus protecting the marketing channel for his existing investment, while leasing to whomever to recover costs, and then let mark sue him over this claim that mark owns what marty publishes. anything short of controlling the domain screws marty. of course, i think marty's claims of grand rolodex power are bull and his recent communications about "talking to casey" seem to reinforce that. casey doesn't have anything to tell you, guy.
Hey,
Can someone from Caseyhaterz.com please fix the registration e-mail so that people can register again? I've been waiting for the registration e-mail for more than 24 hours ... or please check the Caseyhaterz.com admin e-mail account for problems.
yee, check your spam folder. Registration e-mails have been known to end up there
there may be an impromptu talkshoe
I been waiting for 2 days to get email confirmation from CaseyHaterz domain too.
It's not in my spam folder. SOmeone Please fix it!
Impronptu talkshoe.
It beeter not me Duanne or Mark back to hating Casey.
To dial into the Talkcast...
1. Dial: (724) 444-7444
2. Enter the Talkcast ID: 42573
not sure if the talkshoe will be starting or not, I think the meat was just dished on chc
Duane is on
Talkshoe has Duanne saying that Mark V is really pissed off now.
ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS I TOLD YOU SO YOU IDIOTS. GO BACK AND READ WHAT I POSTED IN THE LAST 2 DAYS.
Mark / Duanne no NOTHING about human nature and of Casey.
IDIOTS!!!
On what? There's yet another one? Linky please.
Casey just joined the talkshoe!
Do a search on talkshoe.com for
CaseyBlowsItAgain
Thanks. Found it. When will this Casey crap stop interfering with my life? 12 Step program needed.
Casey is pulling a Casey.
I TOLD YOU SO IDIOTS!!!
So let's get ready for another going for the Fucking Throat attacked followed by a it's all good now and to repeat again.
THIS IS A CLOWN SHOW PEOPLE.
Casey is pulling a "I did not know" BS.
Casey is screwing Duanne and Mark V.
Duanne, give it up dude - you are being played like a flute by Casey.
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IDIOTS - CASEY IS A CON-MAN.
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What part of Con-man do YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
Can anyone please bring me up to speed as to what has happened? Thanks.
Mark gave Casey deadline, Casey missed. Duane sent e-mails. Duane says deal off. Casey comes back and says he was out of the house and busy and Duane's overreacting. Duane asks Casey if it was a misunderstanding and Casey hangs up. Impasse
Thanks for the info. Which deadline was that, BTW? To sign the new contract with LMP? Is this the deal to end the lawsuit or to sell IAFF or both?
http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-42573/TS-34288.mp3
The talkshoe from earlier
Benoit,
Seriously, there is something wrong with the registration process at Caseyhaterz.com. I USED to be registered with a user account of "yss43", but somehow my registration disappeared yesterday.
Despite numerous attempts to re-register under different usernames / e-mail addresses, I do NOT get the confirmation e-mail. And no, it is not in my Junk Mail / SPAM folder -- I work in IT so I know how to check for that.
It looks like I'm not the only one having this problem. I would appreciate it if someone could pass this info along to The Dude, T or someone who can look into it. Again, my old userid was "yss43".
thanks!
yee
I didn't care for the way Casey Haterz.com came about and the responses to it from both "sides", but considering the dearth of Casey discussion and news on EN, it seems a registration at CHC is needed for me to continue my pursuit of justice towards SERCASEY. I attempted to register as 'I_L_M_S' but the confirmation email never arrived. Then, I attempted to register as 'ILMS' but the forum software told me that name had been taken. I think this may be a sign that I should return my energies and critiques to the local paper's letters-to-the-editor as opposed to Fliptard's escapades.
As always,
I L M S
ILMS:
I think we need to get both 'sides' together. Just like Caseypedia serves a purpose and does not compete with EN, so it is with CH.C in my mind.
I see a lot of divisions occuring personally right now, and I myself am in no position to be peacemaker, but I would prefer everyone's attention was on Casey and other topics, not undoing what are really, mutually supportive sites.
A lot of folks have had to try several times to get through the reg process, don't give up! I think Annie has similar problems but was able to work it out, so I put out the call to get someone from over there to give you a hand.
I am always,
soem dang dood
If the deal is off, what does that mean? Is the lawsuit still on-going?
Hey Mark / Duanne,
Please tell us again how all is good with you and Casey, yet again..
Also, we have a UNDER THE BUS counter at CaseyPedia.com. So that we can keep a count of how many times Casey throws the same people under the bus and how they keep coming back to Casey.
Thanks.
Soem dude-
I appreciate the compliments you've given me before. I saw a couple of the posts you made right before Rob deleted them. The few I saw, 'just one post this time rob, why don't you just say soem dude is banned', for example, to paraphrase, did not seem to merit deletion.
As always,
I L M S
Why was the Talkshoe taken off? It's not there any longer:
To dial into the Talkcast...
1. Dial: (724) 444-7444
2. Enter the Talkcast ID: 42573
I had the same problem as a few others attempting to register at CH.C. never received an email and i don't have junk mail turned on.
anyone got an idea on how to register?
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