Remember guys, Casey will be on KCRA Friday at 6:30pm (Pacific)KCRA 3 Television
You can contact the station by phone at (916) 446-3333.
News department (Report Breaking News), call (916) 444-7316.
Newsroom Fax: For Press Releases: (916) 441-4050
Planning Desk: Follow Up On Press Release Or Pitch A General News Story: (916) 325-3386
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Hat tip to Dick who points this out in the previous thread.
And this had better not be his announcement because it isn't yesterday's story.
"If Mohammed won't go to the mountain, the mountain must come to Mohammed." Tell them the truth Casey or the truth will seek you out.
Addendum: IAFF doesn't make me laugh anymore but someone in the comments speculating on the big announcement is pure comedy gold: 11. Poomp
July 10th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
You’re a female renter trapped in a male real estate speculator’s body?
127 comments:
first, murst
It's like a giant onion on Mohammed's head.
More "sweet" media coverage for fliptard, huh?
Long time Hater, first time poster (posted this in other thread as it died).
It seems to me that even if Mark wins, he loses. Let's say he wins the suit and Casey is ordered to pay him $10,000. How many times have you heard about a civil suit in which someone who is ordered to pay does not? Or cannot? I see it all the time in my business.
Also, Mark Villasenor's name will be forever tainted by this. Google his name and you come up with the Caseypedia entry and all sorts of ugliness.
I wouldn't do business with a fifty year old man who gets heavily involved in the real life equivalent of an internet flame war. Nevermind one who angrily threatens a 24 year old hippie with all the gravelly bravado of a WWF wrestler. It's pathetic.
And let's not forget threatening Pink Lips. He kept asking for her contact information. Would you give that lunatic YOUR contact information?
Rob Dawg:
"And this had better not be his announcement because it isn't yesterday's story.
"If Mohammed won't go to the mountain, the mountain must come to Mohammed." Tell them the truth Casey or the truth will seek you out."
Purely guessing...
Cashback got served with a summons or C&D about a completely separate judicial matter upon walking out of the courtroom door.
I've seen that trick before.
Process servers LOVE court appearances...high probability that "the bunny" will actually be there, won't be armed, and will have counsel at hand to advise him to cool his jets and shut his mouth.
And, uh, liverwurst?
I LOL'd at that post, too. Thanks for saving me the trouble of cutting and pasting!
So ... does anybody know what really happened in the courtroom yesterday? Surely someone must've talked to Lost Mittens?
this sounds like Casey:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28366
@ Jade
Yes, that does sound like Casey's usual 'woulda-coulda-shoulda' line of itsallgood. Next year!
@andrew
Absolutely spot on. I doubt it could have been said better.
That picture is just begging to have Jiffy Pop photoshopped onto it, but I don't want to have a jihad declared on Rob.
The Silence Of The Koi
I'm going to need a head count for those who will be having the sweet just desserts and those of you who a begging for a steaming pile of crow.
It is highly unlikely that a judge would allow the contents of a chamber discussion in an ongoing matter scheduled for fast track further hearings to be discussed openly. You'll have to satisfied all the good news about 'tards latest round of issues being "interesting" and the expeditious scheduling and wait now to see what Casey says that was so very important yesterday that wasn't the hearing. Right now my money is that he won't mention it.
Lets us have our just desserts and leave the steaming pile of crow for Casey. He likes it, apparently, seeing as how he keeps shoveling it down.
"If Mohammed won't go to the mountain, the mountain must come to Mohammed."
I'm guessing this is code-speak (Coté-Speak?) for "if Casey doesn't get a job within a certain period of time, either a no-pay job will be foisted upon him a la community service, or Casey gets shipped to jail."
On a sidenote, didn't see this elsewhere here... The Fraudcast has been moved up to tomorrow night (Thursday) at 8:00 PM EST, due to the TV appearance.
Dessert for me please
Rob,
The real saying is actually the other way around ("If the mountain won't come to Mohammed, Mohammed will go to the mountain.") Did you reverse it on purpose?
Cashcall coming?
The flip side is that if LMP does not sue Casey, it will look as if he can be taken advantage of by any two-bit internet con-boy.
The serious mistake that many organizations make is looking at lawsuits on a case-by-case basis; in isolation, nearly all cases will look like they're either not worth pursuing (if plaintiff), or worth settling out of court (if defendant). From a wider perspective, however, it's worthwhile to aggressively pursue certain specific cases, if only to put the fear into other would-be litigants, contract-breakers, patent violators, etc.
A bit Machiavellian? Perhaps, but this is the legal realm, not a junior high popularity contest. And in LMP's unofficial line of work, any impact to LMP's reputation is likely to be more of an asset than a liability.
And with respect to Casey being judgement-proof: he has little money, a lot of debt, and few worldly possessions to his name. But there's one big asset hanging out there with a firm offer putting a $15,000 price tag on it . . . the question is can the holder of the judgement get to it before (ex) family members do.
You know what would have been really 'interesting' at yesterday's hearing? His wife asking the judge to protect her interests.
The serious mistake that many organizations make is looking at lawsuits on a case-by-case basis; in isolation, ....it's worthwhile to aggressively pursue certain specific cases, if only to put the fear into other would-be litigants, contract-breakers, patent violators, etc.
Exactly and the ultimate Casey/EN tie-in. Mortgage holders need to put a little fear into the borrowers. All I hear from the recent spate of no-down I/O FBs is "the worst that can happen is I live free for 6 months and turn in the keys." My CDs depend on them paying and this attitude if allowed to persist risks the rntire banking industry.
Did you reverse it on purpose?
Yes. In context the analogy is that since Casey won't move the rest of the world needs to move underneath his feet to get him where he needs to be.
@ Dawg -- My CDs depend on them paying
My CDs go in my stereo, which then proceeds to crank out some nice tunes. :)
@Rob Dawg,
Exactly and the ultimate Casey/EN tie-in. Mortgage holders need to put a little fear into the borrowers. All I hear from the recent spate of no-down I/O FBs is "the worst that can happen is I live free for 6 months and turn in the keys." My CDs depend on them paying and this attitude if allowed to persist risks the rntire banking industry.
This is a noble endeavour but futile. The only reason why Casey is in this mess is because he's so stupid as to brag about his crimes on the internet and the media. His narcissim painted a bulls eye on his fronthead.
The mega crooks out there who flipped 20+ houses in SD and other places don't post about it on a blog. The immense mayority of them get away with it.
Face it, EN got on Casey's case because of Casey's idiocity and unrepentance. He going to court and losing whatever little he has left (IAFF is the only thing of any value under his name) will have no impact on the mega crooks.
Speaking of which, when is EN going to initiate a hounting campaing on the headge fund managers at Bear Sterns? When are you taking those guys to court?
Rob:
How long are you giving CashbackCasey to spill his guts?
He likes to deliver ultimatums,let's see how he likes receiving 'em.
As to what else may have happenned yesterday...trying to identify which mine blew up underneath him is like trying to single out an individual stone in an avalanche.
Hey Kidz,
It's time to vote for the 6 Degrees of Casey Serin to Mahatma Gandhi win-win winner! We have some impressive entries this week including the honorable
M. SINGH who may or may not have appeared in a Bollywood film. He has yet to answer that question...
Re:
>>All I hear from the recent spate of no-down I/O FBs is "the worst that can happen is I live free for 6 months and turn in the keys." My CDs depend on them paying and this attitude if allowed to persist risks the rntire banking industry.<<
You speak almost as if you feel many FBs have a choice, and are deliberately choosing to hand in the keys and slink away. They've already gotten the mortgages they shouldn't have gotten, and now they can't easily get out from under them. There are at least hundreds of "FBs" locally who have been laid off in the last twelve months because of plant closings, some car dealership closings, the vast slowdown in the real estate market, and many other assorted business failings. Now upside-down without the bottomless ATM formerly provided by escalating housing prices, these borrowers are dead in the water. They were unwise and ill-informed when securing their toxic mortgages, but it's done and it's too late to fix it. Their loans have been sliced, bundled, and sold to parties apparently unconcerned that the chance of any payback is optimistic at best.
I just know what I read and I'm no financial expert, but I think lots of paper, such as your imperiled CDS, are going to go poof sometime relatively soon. It appears to be a house-o-cards situation, even flimsier than most people suspect, which will crush supposedly secure victims with an unexpected rain of debris. It's scary as hell, at least to me with my economics 101 level of comprehension.
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot the usual Fannnnn stuff - Casey sucks and farting space robots are cool.
7:26 Sharky said
>>Process servers LOVE court appearances...high probability that "the bunny" will actually be there, won't be armed, and will have counsel at hand to advise him to cool his jets and shut his mouth.
Why wait a whole week when they can birddog the front door of the Sac TV station.
That would make a great opening shot for the interview..
Might want to have KCRA download some of those house & pool photos to show the damage KC has done to the community and ask WTF he was thinking.
Or contact the Sac County DA and local office of the FBI to be sure they are watching as Casey sure likes an audience. I am sure he would appreciate it.
h
Rob Dawg:
"Mortgage holders need to put a little fear into the borrowers."
Perhaps so, and Fliptard suits to a tee what would be needed to send that message.
But if its' overdone,it will backfire badly.
In addition to the speculators,abaker's dozen of "hard-charging,go-getting" mortgage brokers need to eat the shit biscuit also.
Audit the records and see which "fire-breathing sooperstar" was responsible for the most defaulted loans,(percentage-wise),and then "execute" him or her.
h simpson:
"Why wait a whole week when they can birddog the front door of the Sac TV station.
That would make a great opening shot for the interview.."
GOOD THINKING!!!
Peripheral Visionary said...
The flip side is that if LMP does not sue Casey, it will look as if he can be taken advantage of by any two-bit internet con-boy.
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That is exactly what I have been talking about, but you said it better than I did.
GTG, don't usually post from the W2 location.
To: Exurban Nation
From: I L M S
Subject: SERCASEY's Machinations and Malefactions
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I navigated to the seedy port IAFF before sunrise, and as the vile scroll unfurled, like a Jolly Roger made from Semi Vegan™ hemp and aniline dye, the paraffin candle's illumination shuddered -- a significant forebodement. My father gave me that candle... and he was a good man.
The details of IAFF under my current consideration are 1) the removal of IAFF's flagship banner ad placeholder no doubt indicates interest in advertising on that wretched broadsheet of bamboozlement is not bustling, this idea reinforced by the many remaining SWEET LINKS™. But that observation is superficial compared to the more important point 2) the possible motives for Mr. Serin to share in advance his media appearance on KCRA, "Where The News Comes First."
I believe it was one Steely Dan that suggested, "Times are hard, you're afraid to pay the fee, so you find somebody, who can do the job for free." Now then, SERCASEY, that is what you intend to perpetrate on your HATERZ™- is it not? You recognize your story of debt and recovery - and how dare you cheapen honest American innovation and work ethic, built upon the teachings of those such as Martin Luther that you purport to pledge belief in - is far less interesting to outlets such as KCRA, "Where The News Comes First", than a portrait of The World's Most Hatted Blogger.
Hear me well Casey, I know, others knew, and now more know, your motive for boasting about your television appearance. Incidentally, have you reflected on your morbid proclivity to shamelessly besmirch your family's name in national and international media coverage? Do you feel this story the fleeting and amoral fame you may near is worth the devastating and total lack of respect your father has for you?
Yes, we understand you in fact desire for the HATERZ to call into KCRA, "Where The News Comes First," and you've already practiced the opening lines infront of a gas station bathroom mirror, have you not? Did you recite lines such as this as you looked into your own vacant eyes in the reflection of a 1500 hours free for one month AOL CD?
"Now Casey, let me start of by saying, we have rarely had as much audience feedback as we did for your appearance today"
"Yeah I know, it's crazy right? Like these people -- what did I ever do to them? Take it so personally. It's crazy"
"And you say they hate you?"
"Right. Right. I call em HATERZ, well, its like they try and sabotages all my efforts to pay back my creditors! I mean, here I am -- let me ask you a question, wouldn't it be great if I could pay back my debt by sharing my story?--"
"And that's what you blog for?"
"Right, yeah that's why I started I Am Facing Foreclosure dot com, to get my story our there and try to help other people, but these Haterz have made it really hard to help other people and pay back the banks and support my family"
Casey, it was in that same work that The Dan said,
"I'm a fool to do your dirty work"
And no, I will not be contacting KCRA, "Where The News Comes First."
"I don't wanna do your dirty work no more"
[Oh Yeah]
As always,
I L M S
...and you've already practiced the opening lines infront of a gas station bathroom mirror, have you not? Did you recite lines such as this as you looked into your own vacant eyes in the reflection of a 1500 hours free for one month AOL CD?
Beautiful imagery I L M S!
If it weren't for my looser W-2 I'd enter it in Caseypedia. Perhaps I'll bookmark it for now.
I predict a lot of uses of the phrase "I made some mistakes."
@ lawnmower man
Doesn't it irritate the holy hell out you (it does me) that he says he made some mistakes - but does nothing to change his circumstances?
And that Triple J interview where he said he wanted to make money passively, which essentially means he doesn't want to actually work. GAWD, this kid needs his ass kicked into a jail cell!
*working out my anger issues*
Unless this thing has already been taped, the reporter should ask, "Do you think you should go to jail? Why or why not?"
... then watch the slick rationalization dance of doom begin.
I will also be disappointed if some aspect of the scamming of his own mother/wife/etc. isn't brought up. Make him squirm.
ilms = golfclap. Quoting the Dan. Giving cogent analysis, with verve and good humor, but with seriousness of purpose. I bow, good sir. Terrific post!
Rob Dawg = please. please. please. no more. please. "Ah, but if you look back to the figure, he was facing 'left'; you see, I reversed it to indicate the fact that the polarity had been reversed on the modulator... that was your clue that modulator...modelo...modulus...see, the case was weakening!"
Any more of that, and I'm just gonna hurl.
I was showing someone here at work Snowflake's "needs" list, had a good laff at his expense, and I noticed, "accountant/bookeeper" is now "urgent"/
Who lit a fire under his murse?
M & P -
Speculation, but I suspect it is either getting ready for court next week or he is trying to get in front of his tax mess.
Casey's news is he has finished editing his crappy book. Confirm.
by the way, has anyone sent any of this info to Nancy Grace? :)
Andrew,
Please...If Mark pulls this off why not celebrate that he DID have a plan and it worked? So you hate him, I am sure he is fine with it but if you are a hater you should rejoice that Casey might finally be put in his place.
Criminals need to be stopped.
JFTR My guess is he was served with divorce papers at the courtroom.
@ Southern Bread
Why haven't YOU fired this off to Nancy Grace?
I, personally, like Greta WAY better than Nancy. Nancy is way too whiny. In my house, even my daughter knows, 7pm is Time For Greta! Apparently, no, you cannot get enough Anna Nicole Smith information, even from the dead!
@ Anita Beirnow
I doubt that. He may have been served with separation papers, but the divorce is still a ways off.
I'm not going to lie, I enjoyed Nancy's coverage of the Natlie Hollaway..well the first 2 weeks, not the following 2 years.
I haven't had a chance to watch her in a while. I can't say you make me feel like I am missing much.
He may have been served with separation papers, but the divorce is still a ways off.
Aha, I didn't know that's how it works.
My inner yenta is indulging in too much wishful thinking today, it's probably something business-related.
@Dolph
One of the most entertaining parts of this saga is watching Casey destroy himself by digging himself deeper and deeper (seriously what idiot would put up 5 grand to have some shady guy self-publish your book under the guise of being a real publisher? You could do it for a couple hundred yourself on Lightning Source).
That being said, I was in favor of the lawsuit until I heard Mark on the Foreclosure Friday and then the Haterzcast. Then it all kind of came together, the rage, threatening Pink Lips, naming Mocha in the suit. Unprofessional, unstable.
As awful as Casey is, I think Mark is worse. And he's only hurting himself. I can't imagine who would want to do business with such a lunatic. I would like to see our murse-toting roadrunner caught by a different coyote.
So Rob, what would you guess is the probability that, in the fullness of time, the whole story which you have hinted at will come to light?
Are there some things that can never be told, or can we haterz afford to be patient, content in the knowledge that one day, all the beans will be publicly spilled?
I can wait. But I'm very intrigued to know what is really going on in CaseyWorld and I'd like to think that one day the whole story will come out, as long as it didn't cause much additional collateral damage.
I L M S,
You have been honored with a Caseypedia entry of your own which I hope to flesh out between looser W-2 duties. Perhaps some of the other Caseypedia editors could assist in the mean time...
Audit the records and see which "fire-breathing sooperstar" was responsible for the most defaulted loans,(percentage-wise),and then "execute" him or her
Can we toss in the NAR and their one-sided monopoly of the real estate information into that "execution bucket" as well?
Nice to see David "Liar-rhea" scurry off into some un-named crevace the moment he realized he would be an obvious target once this steamroller of real estate death gathered speed.
"All I hear from the recent spate of no-down I/O FBs is "the worst that can happen is I live free for 6 months and turn in the keys." My CDs depend on them paying"
Then you had better get your money out of CD's an into T-Bills, cause its gonna get worse.
KCRA’s investigation of another real estate fraud in Sacto
“Following a KCRA 3 investigation, the state Department of Real Estate filed a civil complaint against mortgage company officials and a Realtor, alleging fraud, dishonest services and much more.”
“The Department of Real Estate complaint alleges Martin -- along with Gabriel Viramontes, Mario Fellini, Joseph Gallo and Jennifer Huang -- misled investors and lied on loan applications.”
Wouldn’t it be funny if the media hound inadvertently got his own media investigation started against him? Would the DRE become interested in someone who is not licensed such as Casey?
@ Rob Dawg / Anyone
Can you go into some more detail on the CD situation? Are you talking about losing the interes? I have an ING CD and a B of A CD. I thought that both are FDIC insured - am I at risk here?
thanks
Jerry
@Andrew: "As awful as Casey is, I think Mark is worse. And he's only hurting himself. I can't imagine who would want to do business with such a lunatic. I would like to see our murse-toting roadrunner caught by a different coyote."
The problem is that "shady" behavior attracts shady associates. The people Casey has become associated with have become more and more questionable as Casey has dug himself further into the legal hole--Duane is widely regarded as a straight shooter, Mark is somewhat controversial . . . and then there's Marty, and "Mocha", and "Pink Lips". The last two might be otherwise respectable individuals, but to be frank, they creep me out and it would not surprise me in the least if they were serious trouble waiting to happen.
But Marty is not the end of it, when Casey gets desperate he will start attracting some very nasty characters indeed--it will not be long before Casey will be in the company of outright criminals and predators. That's what happens when someone is on the "shady" side of the law--criminals and predators know they're vulnerable, know they can't go to the police, and take serious advantage of them.
Jerry Mander asks:
@ Rob Dawg / Anyone
Can you go into some more detail on the CD situation? Are you talking about losing the interes? I have an ING CD and a B of A CD. I thought that both are FDIC insured - am I at risk here?
FDIC and the credit union and associated agencies will NEVER allow anyone to lose principle in a US denominated CD type gauranteed instrument.
Cold comfort in the worst case, cool comfort in even poor cases. The principal is protected not the return. Indeed even the principal can take years to get back. $10,000 USD in 2014 dollars for your 2006 2 year CD is not really satisfaction.
I don't think things wil get that bad but understand that in crunches the fine print on "liquid" assets may contain surprises.
I've tried this before. Dealing with trash merely takes effort. Dealing with waste takes effort and education and experience. Dealing with toxic waste takes all of the above and special skills and contacts and more.
What people are doing is saying that because firemen are drawn to fires that they are no better than pyromaniacs. Experts in putting out credit/debt fires could be reasonably expected to consider Casey Serin's inferno to be a challenge.
Well don't plan on any news soon:
His latest:
"Don’t get so worked up… I still have till midnight to deliver, don’t I?"
Figures.
Cross Posted to CaseyLand™, posted here to survive the RealityDistortionField™.. and because he tends to look here first.. ☺
WRT: Casey will be on KCRA Friday at 6:30pm (Pacific)
KCRA 3 Television
You know Casey, depending upon how LMP wrote the TRO, you could be handing a victory to LMP with respect to your KCRA 'interview'. Not only that, you might induce others who have inside information to spill a few of the beans to protect certain certain particulars by revealing background facts.
Step carefully. Dealing with Judges is not like dealing with Duane, LMP, Marty or anyone else. Judges have quite a bit more authority over your life and you can't do much about their decisions.
asw: failforward.. sweet!!
::rinse rinse gargle::
Rob, I have now named you in my lawsuit against EVERYONE EVER. Casey, Mark, Mocha, my dry cleaners, the sovereign nation of Uzbekistan, the Noid (avoid him!), Winston Churchhill, and for some reason, dinosaurs.
I will be represented by Space Napoleon (he's like regular Napoleon, but from SPACE). He'll be in touch (and in space!).
Humm.. got internal config errors when trying to post the above to IAFF. Looks like the RealityDistortionField™ is effecting the running of computers associated with Casey...
IAFF still unresolved. Who has the last whole site image backed up?
Yeah, IAFF is intermittently reachable.
I assume the Big News is not "I screwed up the hosting again."
Puncture in the CaseySphere? IAFF is not responding, caseyhaterz.com says it is "currently unavailable, please try again later". Should I take CaseyPedia down in sympathy? Or has the San Andreas just decided to shift a few feet?
There, IAFF is back again. It was probably only those grid servers buckling under the weight of Casey's hair grease.
Caseyhaterz.com got some Massive Focused Action and was tranferred to a new home, with some pretty cool changes. Go to caseyhaterz.com, not your history or links straight to the old forums. Looks like all the data came over fine!
What's the dealio w/ CH.C being down?
I'm hoping it's just that spiffy new software TheDude was installing!!!
NVM, M&P answered my question.
- Postponement. The case wasn't thrown out, nor was any injunction granted. Too complex, too much to sift through in a short amount of time. Too hard to call either way.
- Expect EN, Caseypedia, CaseyHaterz, et al, to get polite e-mails and then C&Ds to remove any notice of "Mark Villasenor", LMP, and the like, from posts or comments right after the decision is rendered, either way. Google cleanup will take place. Chilling effects.
- KCRA appearance will be standard puff piece.
- Everyone predicting massive doom is wrong. There is no massive story taking place behind the scenes. Moving in with the parents, preparing BK, continuing to blog.
@Murses: "- Expect EN, Caseypedia, CaseyHaterz, et al, to get polite e-mails and then C&Ds to remove any notice of "Mark Villasenor", LMP, and the like, from posts or comments right after the decision is rendered, either way. Google cleanup will take place. Chilling effects."
Huh? First of all, LMP can file C&Ds all he wants, but it doesn't mean that anybody's obligated to comply, much less public internet forums (which are not free speech venues, but outside individuals can't simply arbitrarily censor them.) My understanding is that the restraining order against IAFF is based on the contract between Casey and LMP, which (I believe) included an NDA. No contract and/or NDA with EN, Caseypedia, forums, etc., means nobody has any power to enforce a "clean-up", barring copyrighted content.
Unless Mark has his name copyrighted . . . Mark Villasenor™. LMP™. Sweet™!
If Casey REALLY wanted to, he probably could enforce removal of copy-and-pastes of his posts here as elsewhere; similarly, if VagueGuru wanted to enforce copyright he could have Casey take down the images. Other than that, not much is going to happen from a "clean-up" standpoint.
@M&P: ah, I see. Maybe The Dude can get his details guys to redirect the old forum page?
Rob Dawg said
Experts in putting out credit/debt fires could be reasonably expected to consider Casey Serin's inferno to be a challenge.
Mark isn't here to fight fires. He wouldnt be asking for $10,000 if he was.
If I went to a house to fight a fire and the occupants didn't comply with my orders for helping them. I would walk away, I would NOT have sued them.
I think mark underestimated how big a challenge this was going to be and is now trying to save face. It's interesting to note how well Casey can stay in control while those around him flip their lids. Casey is not normal.
fackeners:
"I think mark underestimated how big a challenge this was going to be and is now trying to save face."
Perhaps so...but so what if it is?
The resulting action is satisactory...so far.
"It's interesting to note how well Casey can stay in control while those around him flip their lids."
Casey is"in control"?
I beg your pardon...of what, exactly,is Casey in control OF?
His vocal modulation?
From where I sit, that's the only thing he's in control of.
His entire life is imploding and collapsing in upon him as a result of his own actions.
It isn't "control"chum...it's utter denial by a terrified and desperate man.
I live in a state that executes convicts,(including the really guilty ones).
You DO realize that a lot of the guilty condemned get strapped to the table convinced that they didn't do anything wrong...that they're getting "screwed".
"Death Row conversions" DO happen,but they're not as common as you might think.
SHARKY :
I mean in regards to demeanor at least contrasted against mark flipping his lid when he said "Because I'm going to go for your fucking throat if you keep it up." and some other key out bursts.
Mark is no altruistic fire fighter. Just saying.
but yes I agree with you that casey is also off the deep end. But that doesn't make Mark a better person.
Fack,
Do you even KNOW THE DETAILS on why he is asking for 10K? Why assume he's a selfish SOB when you nor I know what the deal is.
You obviously hate the guy and that's yer right, but c'mon...until somebody posts the details of this lawsuit, I wish people would stop making assumptions that Mark's suit is ONLY about making 10K from somebody who doesn't have it. I firmly believe Mark KNOWS Casey doesn't have the money. There seems to be an unknown method to Mark's madness. I suggest we all see where this goes. We may all be pleasantly surprised or we may be totally disgusted by the outcome.
So what if Mark said that to Casey? I've seen harsher things POSTED in these forums. I've seen people post his family's personal info. I've seen people make sexual cracks about Caseys pre-teen sister.
I really wish people would get over Mark's personality issues and see where this takes all of us.
Just my 2 cents.
>> It's interesting to note how well Casey can stay in control while those around him flip their lids. Casey is not normal.
It's one of the marks of a "true" sociopath. They literally become calmer as others become more enraged.
If I went to a house to fight a fire and the occupants didn't comply with my orders for helping them. I would walk away, I would NOT have sued them.
That's what MARK does for a living. Casey is/was in no position to NOT comply with the requests. Why use a loss mitigation expert if you aren't gonna follow their plans? They NEGOTIATE settlements with creditors and that sometimes means the debtor HAS to go on a strict budget to make the other side happy.
Again, I am not asking people to love Mark but I wish people wouldn't make assumptions about his motivation without reading the full complaint.
I think Casey needs to read a book http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM5i0zPC4T8&mode=related&search=
Here's the thing about Mark and that $10k. Early on when he talked about the suit he said a number of times that he had very low expectation of collecting a cent off the suit. Thats one reason he doesnt have a lawyer, he doesnt want to pay for it on a case he doesnt realistically expect to collect on. (plus I dont think he expects to run into an opposing lawyer, whatever Marks understanding of law may be, its better than Casey's)
Now he said later different things about the suit and money. But money alone isnt the entire goal of the suit.
@Murses - Foiled Again!
Expect EN, Caseypedia, CaseyHaterz, et al, to get polite e-mails and then C&Ds to remove any notice of "Mark Villasenor", LMP, and the like, from posts or comments right after the decision is rendered, either way.
Slight problem with him doing that. If it has been dealt with all above board, shows all sides in an even light, and is from things he said in an open forum.. he is SOL.
For the Cease and Desist, he has to show it is intentionally damaging. That the intent of the pages is to damage and it is not representative of his real persona / behavior.
It the treatment on Caseypedia is even, it would probably not be in his best interest. Considering the Casey - Media links, having LMP do a Cease and Desist may get attention of the media... who has much deeper pockets than LMP (or most other people too).
Hey man this is EN. We all make assumptions.
Hey dang it. I am grumpy today. I am lashing out. I started a conversation I had no interest in pursuing. Ignore my trollish behavior.
Wish you all a nice rest of the day.
k/
@fackENers
I mean in regards to demeanor at least contrasted against mark flipping his lid when he said "Because I'm going to go for your fucking throat if you keep it up." and some other key out bursts.
I think LMP was trying to shock Casey into realizing that things are somewhere worse of 'its all good', and that Casey could actually end up taking a hit that he can't con someone else into handling (ie . wife, family).
BJ,
I seriously doubt Mark would sue to have comments removed from here and other sites. I think he does understand that criticism comes with the territory. If he was the petulant guy people make him out to be I would think he'd be threatening all of us right now.
I believe he won't. If he wins, we'll no doubt be hearing from him again. If he loses, well, I bet he still posts here or he may just say screw it and put this chapter of his life to rest. All IMHO of course...
Fack,
Fair enough.
Why use a loss mitigation expert if you aren't gonna follow their plans? They NEGOTIATE settlements with creditors and that sometimes means the debtor HAS to go on a strict budget to make the other side happy.
Part of what helps in Loss Mitigation, is the credibility of the person doing the Loss Mitigation. It is a bargaining chip to use with the loan holders. If you start negotiating with loan holders and your principle(debtor) suddenly changes direction, it harms what was negotiated in good face and effects the credibility of the person doing Loss Mitigation.
In Loss Mitigation, you are trying to convince the loan holders that part of the money is better than none, and that you are not likely to see any if the loan holder continues in the current path. Similarly with interest rate charges.
@Dolph
I seriously doubt Mark would sue to have comments removed from here and other sites. I think he does understand that criticism comes with the territory. If he was the petulant guy people make him out to be I would think he'd be threatening all of us right now.
I agree. The risk/reward ratio just does not fit.. and I do think there is more going on with respect to this...
The bozo who sued for $57mil for lost pants is back... he is appealing saying the judge made a fundemental mistake of law in rejecting his claims.
Some people get VERY upset and just know that the law will smite their opponent, regardless of merit.
Reminds me of someone... not sure why.
in good face
is supposed to be;
in good faith
Wasn't the 57Mil bozo a judge?
KCRA reporter: So, you bought eight homes?
Murse-toter: MmmmHmmm.
K: In a couple months?
Mt: Yeah.
K: And said you would live in each, eight times, as a principal residence?
Mt: Well, yeah, that's how you get the sweet™ loans at good interest rates.
K: And on each, eight times, you inflated your annual income, and were actually unemployed when filling out the aps?
Mt: Sure.
K: And did it in short time, and in four different states, to avoid being found out?
Mt: Right.
K: And only stopped, when on mortgage application number nine the loan was denied because they Googled and found your personal blog describing all this activity?
Mt: Yeah, pretty lame for them to cut me off, huh?
K: That...is...all...fraudulent activity. These...are...crimes.
Mt: Hey, I never denied makin' some mistakes. You know too much, too fast, 'n all that...
K: The first time you lied. On the first application. For either stated income, or for residency. You committed a crime.
Mt: It's a gray area...
Yeah, this is gonna be sweet™.
Hope the dumb Judge is in his doofy house listening in on his poopy TV.
At 3:19 PM, Dolph said...
"If [Mark Anthony Villasenor] was the petulant guy people make him out to be I would think he'd be threatening all of us right now."
You mean, like this:
For you folks whom wish to unlawfully enjoin others associated with Casey by veiled and suggestive disparagement, outlandish and speculative fodder, unlawful investigations serving no purpose? Be forewarned! Some associated with these matters are apt to test the legal theories aggressively, and with affect.
(and his attitude was:)
I, frankly speaking, look with more distain upon those whom cast stones at Mr. Serin for doing what they’ve either done themselves or wish they had the guts to.
Comment by LossMitPro | 04.22.2007 | 4:06 am
I don't think Mark is taking Casey to court over money, broken contracts, or hurt feelings.
He's simply giving Casey what he's deserved for a long time. Mark's NOT going to be ignored like a lender, mentor, or family member. Casey has gotten away with that routine over and over. Nobody ever really confronts the guy and Casey never takes anyone, anything, or any contracts serious. He prides himself in that.
Here's a guy who brings a shit-storm into his wifes life and then goes on vacation. Here's a guy who's raped banks for hundreds of thousands of dollars and he still hasn't stopped. Here's a guy who calls up a buddy one night and asks if he can borrow 50% for a "limited time" "advanced level" guru scaminar.
Out of all of the people Casey has touched in the past year, nobody has really stood up to the guy. Even the ones who got screwed over. He's been given too much sympathy, too much advice in one ear and out the other. Someone needs to grab Casey by the throat and scream - what the FUCK is your problem asshole!
Mark is trying to show Casey that not everyone walks away. That he yanked the wrong chain. He's doing a public service in preventing Casey from profiting from crimes and committing new ones. Somebody, anybody needs to stop Casey. I applaud Mark for his actions.
I think others in this picture need to take note. If you've gotten screwed over by Casey, this would be a good time to address it. There are quite a few people who have a case that'd merit a court appearance. Joy and Erin for example. Now is the time to strike.
That's "50k".
He called "Rich Son" one evening from a seminar to borrow $50k for a "limited time offer" super special multi-day bootcamp seminar thing.
yep, that sounds like casey
Aye, soem dood. Mark's interests align with ours at the moment, but I too haven't forgotten the threats he made against EN and EN posters.
There are quite a few people who have a case that'd merit a court appearance. Joy and Erin for example.
Heh: there's no way they'd want that ransom-note contract tested anywhere near a courtroom.
”Expect EN, Caseypedia, CaseyHaterz, et al, to get polite e-mails and then C&Ds to remove any notice of "Mark ----", LMP, and the like, from posts or comments right after the decision is rendered, either way. Google cleanup will take place. Chilling effects.”
Foremost, coming out of hiding here for just a bit until other aspects are executed; so (folks) don’t expect me to answer further questions or address any other details -- at least for the next few days (as it appears now). The comment above, however, warrants my immediate personal response...
Whoever posted the above-quote seems to forget that I was a private person with private rights under both the US and California Constitutions, long before being “outted” for helping Casey. To purport “chilling effects” for any action removing my real name from Internet aspects is not only disingenuous, but hypocritical in the extreme!
I did not and have not interjected my real identity into a public matter, rather I was outted by folks whom neither understand the law or private rights; perhaps under the misconception that their actions are protected conduct. Well, bunky, invasion of privacy is not protected even under the guise a “newsworthy” need to know or free speech! Never has been, because my REAL NAME had no bearing on the story! Get it? The outing folk could question and bring to bear my professional abilities, but my true name had no bearing on the story. PERIOD!!
What you seem to forget is that; while blogs and the CaseyPedias of Internet-world are considered protected from libel suit by Batzel vs. Cremers and case law like it. Such protections DO NOT (and cannot Constitutionally) extend to invasions of privacy, and any redress of such intrusions doesn’t mean a restriction can be placed on Free Speech values.
Moreover, I am on quite friendly terms with Rob Dawg whom I am very sure would remove my REAL NAME from any posts were I simply to ask him (he’s a gent, I have no worries he’d do as I request). I need no such court order to FORCE most folks to extend cooperation, as reasonable people can (and should) apply alternative means when possible.
In addition I’ve been in contact with some of the CaseyPedia folks, and they’ve graciously agreed to edit content there; I’ve just been too busy running my practice and handling the Casey issues to ask them for what they’ve already said they would do ON A FRIENDLY BASIS!!!
Simply put, I own MY real name and like many actors and people in the media have a right as to how that name is portrayed. That is all the more true considering I never asked to be exposed or “outted” and no amount of justification can square the reasons behind such. Pretty damn straight on that line, I have NEVER personally (myself) exposed my real identity on the blogs. And if I had no choice in the matter of exposure, which I did not, as a PRIVATE person before my engagement with Casey’s issues? Well, better brush up on case law if ya wanna debate those points to any degree.
The FACT I was “outted” is not a point of contention with me either (I hold no anger toward the folks who did that). But the affect of certain other folks applying my REAL NAME to actions, based on the original discovery and disclosure of that real name should be corrected! I was a PRIVATE person before entangling myself with Casey, and I fully intend to be that again once this Serin saga concludes. I have a Constitutional Right to no less.
That is the law, it cuts both ways to protect your free speech rights AND mine to remain private and control use of my name. If ya don’t like it, petition legislative bodies for change (good luck with that)! Fact is you’re assuming lots without all the facts or a clear understanding of supportive authority. I have no intention, whatsoever, of using any court orders to stifle free speech; but I may use that power to correct a wrong, done in the name of a misplaced right to know. It’s the affect of that act (my “outing”), not the act itself, I take strong issue with. There is a difference.
Bottom-line... Pseudonym protected folk can rake the name of “LossMitPro” over the coals `till the cows come home, and the creek rises. I could care less (other than proving a point here and there). But when my REAL NAME is used for derogatory fodder, as a direct result of my WORK (official duty) to another; under the false and misguided auspicious of “newsworthiness?” Sorry I ain’t buyin it and, thankfully, neither does the law.
And just so that we’re clear, I’m NOT upset or angry with anyone. I just want my name back, and you would too were you standing where I am.
~Mark
Mark -
You are an amazing legal and constitutional scholar.
> I was a PRIVATE person before entangling
> myself with Casey, and I fully intend to
> be that again once this Serin saga concludes.
> I have a Constitutional Right to no less.
Would you please be kind enough to point out WHERE in the Constitution you are guaranteed privacy?
Thanks in advance...
Oh, you can't? Why not?
IMHO, LMP blustered all over himself yet again:
"I did not and have not interjected my real identity into a public matter, rather I was outted by folks whom neither understand the law or private rights; perhaps under the misconception that their actions are protected conduct. Well, bunky, invasion of privacy is not protected even under the guise a “newsworthy” need to know or free speech! Never has been, because my REAL NAME had no bearing on the story! Get it? The outing folk could question and bring to bear my professional abilities, but my true name had no bearing on the story. PERIOD!!"
The record on this is clear, no matter how many 'friendly' people play Casey-games and expunge, move, redact, edit and soften it.
You came on to be a PLAYA!
Makin' Business!
You introduced yourself, and from virtually the first post made allusions to when and how you would reveal yourself fully. You toyed around and POINTED OUT initials, email domains, and other personally identifying information *meant* to lead to your identity being know, and in fact were not outed, but you yourself identified yourself by name and by corporation.
You go have your little litigation, and enjoy yourself.
But you best stick to the provable facts, and the truth, bubba, not what you wish were the case with your bluff and bluster.
You do NO ONE, least of yourself, any favors with that attitude.
You, frankly, make me sick.
Tell me, do you care to retract your initial claim to identify closer with Casey's mores than with those who would see him criminally prosecuted?
That was an all time low, IMHO.
I don't think you have ever explained that 180 degree reversal, and it goes STRAIGHT to what some might think of your credibility on this matter. IMHO.
PropFlop,
First, you are absolutely correct that privacy is not protected explicitly by the Constitution. The reasons are twofold. I shall only address one. The Founding Fathers were fearful that enumeration of natural rights in a manmade document could lead to limiting of those rights.
The Constitution says nothing about breathing either.
Mark: doesn't your own filing against Casey put your name firmly and squarely into public record?
@ Propety Flipper:
Article-I, Section-I of the California Constitution, Mr. Think he’s got something on Mark. Oh any, the US Constitution does not supersede similar rights endowed by a state. Try more reason, and nix the crap?
~Mark
Oh, and why does your F'n website try to scoop F'n people's f*'n clipboard, which often contains sensitive information, not meant for prying eyes of commercial ventures?
Is it a "bug"? If so, why was it not promptly corrected once you were notified of the behavior?
why does your F'n website try to scoop F'n people's f*'n clipboard,
Read the previous f*n answers to the f*n question.
worm sign
@ lawnmower man;
"Heh: there's no way they'd want that ransom-note contract tested anywhere near a courtroom."
They have little to nothing to lose by trying. Remember, they'd be going up against Casey. I'd bet on the ladies.
JUMPIN' JEBUS, DAWG!!!!!!!!!!!!
What freakin' alternate universe have we marched off into here?
YOU run a site that was for large measure, for large intervals, dedicated to exploiting any publicly legally available information on those associating with Serin, and making it public. HERE. Sharing it with others you knew would also place it on other publicly available locations.
Now you are claiming broad constitutional rights prohibit anyone from NOW (not previously) mentioning MArk Villasenor's name, when he himself interjected himself into this as Casey's public and acknowledged business and legal advisor?
I hope Mr. Villasenor has a law license, because if he has been dispensing legal advice to moptop, or others, as freely as he has been blowing verbal FARTS on Internet message boards, he may well have stepped afoul of the law himself.
OF course, IANAL, so that is just my opinion.
But, back to the point, what the HELL game do you think you are playing by pretending to be shocked, SHOOCKED to find there is gambling going on at Rick's casino?
Blech.
Rob Dawg -
Very good reply. Breathing involves only ones own actions, Mark is seeking to control the actions of others.
The old saying goes "your rights end at my personal space" - You have the right to do what you want, until it impacts others.
Casey's saga is a very public event prior to Mark getting invovled. Mark interjected himself into it and must live with the consequences. His name will forever be linked to this fiasco.
His grasp of the law is humorous at best. He may request his name be removed (and, likely most will be willing to), but he will not be able to get a court to order this... that's simply a fantasy.
That is what is so fun about Mark - he INSISTS that the world conform to his view and he threatens to use "THE LAW" when it does not.
At least he is amusing to watch.
Rob, as to the F'n question, I'll look, but all I've seen is OTHER's Speculation, not Mark stating what the facts of the deal were. But I admit I may well have over looked it. So, are you saying it is indeed in the record, if only I will go look at his posts? If so, I will do so.
Thanks for that.
LMP, if you piss off Casey as much as you do some of these guys, Yesterday must have been much more "interesting" than he's said.
Heres to several even more elightening experiences in his future.
mentioning MArk Villasenor's name, when he himself interjected himself into this as Casey's public and acknowledged business and legal advisor?
And, again: legal filing == public record. Mark himself has publicly attached his name to Casey's.
Well, he's pulled the plug and sounds somewhat contrite about some stuff. He's going to get a W2 job, etc.
I liked this part. "However, I cannot be a public figure anymore. A W2 job must be with a stable company, have benefits and compensate me well for my skill-set."
Mm, he certainly comes across as a real asset to any company. Casey should be grateful for any work offered.
So after August 3, no more IAFF. Allegedly.
"Co-operate with the mortgage companies I defrauded and the FBI"
Ummm....did I miss something... WHO brought up the FBI?
So basically his family was going to turn him in to the cops
Yes, it's all about saving his marriage now (he says).
I admire G's principles, but I fancy this will one day bite her in the ass. That boy does not take his marriage or his word very seriously.
MArk Villasenor Said:
> Article-I, Section-I of the California
> Constitution
Ah... let's go with state constitutions instead. OK... I can play that game.
You waived those rights when you interjected yourself into a very public train wreck.
You have personally put your "REAL NAME" into the public record with your little legal games (it's not LMP v. Casey Serin).
All comments you have posted become the property of the person owning the blog - you choose to contribute, you do not get to hold the rights after that (if you want to hold the rights, publish on your own blog).
I'd continue, but need to run to a client meeting... I'll be happy to continue tomorrow.
Simple answer - your arguements hold no water. Feel free to TRY to get your name removed from this mess... as a practical matter, it is not going to happen.
Next time, look carefully at your partner before jumping into a business arangement.
@NGB
The Haterz have certainly brought up the FBI and talked to them. Rob's big news may be the FBI finally filed a search warrant at Yulia's house.
Wow!
While I was posting here, Casey just put up a heck of a post.
I just posted a comment on Casey's site in reply, now, whether it gets through or not I don't know, but I offered my best wishes and no more grief from *me*, as long as he stays on course for what he outlined there - taking full responsibility, stopping the scams, stopping the foolishness and gurus, and trying to get a job to pay back debt.
I can't prove he is sincere.
I can't control what the rest of you do.
But as for me, I'm offering him the benefit of the doubt, and would suggest it would be great if others would too.
Regarding Casey's latest post.
"5. Co-operate with the mortgage companies I defrauded and the FBI - and do what I must do to make it right."
Does that mean he has already been contacted by the FBI?
FBI? The only person in the know who has said this flat out is Casey.
yep dood
If he's truely turned over a new leaf I'm happy for him.
I will be cautiously optomistic that he actually means it and can follow through.
I just wonder if (as is being theorized on the boards) that his wife hasnt taken him back, and doesn't by say day 23.
His infamy might have forced the FBI to take some action. Interestingly, even if they do not want to take action, Casey going contrite and then forcing them to take action could probably get him off with just probation. If he does this right he could get his bankruptcy and be off and running with a fresh start.
What happens that is, what happens if 3 weeks go by and his situation (job, home, family) isnt improved.
@ Relentless
What happens if ... IF? LOL
He can't be this stupid ...
"Also our agreement is calling me to do illegal things (putting my digital assets into entities while I am defaulting on all my lenders). I didn’t know it until I had a professional look at it. You probably didn’t know either."
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