AlterNet.org has joined the party watching the Housing Bubble burst. Their conclusion:
However, many homeowners followed the advice given to them by Realtors, politicians and financial advisors, and were simply pursuing the American Dream of homeownership. When the wreckage from the real estate bubble becomes clearer, these "experts" will have much to answer for.
Highly recommended as an introductory description.
151 comments:
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And an Independence Day MOIST!
>> these "experts" will have much to answer for.
How so? Anyone stupid enough to listen to take financial advise from someone without doing your own due dilligence is a fool.
This is the core of Casey's problem. Do you honestly think someone with an investment with a sure-fire 5% monthly return would share that with a random stranger? Even for a nominal fee?
Same thing with most of those "sure-thing" flips with "instant equity". "Wow, these nice people are giving me all this money for nothing. They are so stupid." Casey thought.
Same thing with the gurus. If Sheets or Kiyosaki are so damn successful, why are they still peddling their "wares" instead of living off the sweet passive income? If this works, why not keep it secret and to yourself.
Same thing with all the "magic stock picking systems" to beat the market. Again, if I had a sure-fire way to beat the market, I'd make more money setting up a hedge fund on my own than selling my secrets for nominal fees.
btw -- kudos from removing the annonymous posts. I feel the IQ of this place increasing above 131 already.
thank you rob
..bout damn time.
I had to take some vicodin..so I am going to go have some massive focused attention with my lazyboy.
king friday the 13th said...
>> these "experts" will have much to answer for.
How so? Anyone stupid enough to listen to take financial advise from someone without doing your own due dilligence is a fool.
The difference is that these people were supposed to be part of the due diligence not the suspicious sources. Besides, they will be blamed for screwing up the American Dream for tens of millions. There's going to be a need for scapegoats.
Oh, please. Where does personal responsibility come into the equation?
However, many homeowners followed the advice given to them by Realtors, politicians and financial advisors, and were simply pursuing the American Dream of homeownership.
Yeah, poor little them pursued homeownership over and over and over, because they were innocent sheep. They should be boiled oil oil.
BTW - Having to log onto my blogger account = not worth it.
Having to log onto my blogger account = not worth it.
Better suggestion?
I saw someone today driving down the US-60 in Phoenix, a brand new mustang, license plate said "DRTYPNY". This cant be a coincidence.
Having to log onto my blogger account = not worth it.
Oh cool: a quality barrier.
If what you have to say doesn't justify the minimal effort of signing in: not worth it.
lawnmower,
Right on. Apparently the anony[trolls/pussies/tards] are some combination of stupid, lazy, scared and worthless seeing as they are so quiet all of a sudden. Gee, who do we know that is stupid, lazy, scared and worthless?
BTW - Having to log onto my blogger account = not worth it.
This....from someone who runs a blog you have to get an invitation to even read.......
ROFLMAO
Please note this will be Mort's last contribution. Have a nice day!
^ ROFL
Mort got told.
WTF?? Whatever. Yeah, I got told. You got me good with that one guys. You always win over the troll tards because if they get their licks in you delete what they wrote. As to HousingPANLICK being turned off, I wouldn't want to be sued by a wannabe Johnny Cochran. LMAO. If you want to read it go to Petropest Launchpad and make a request.
Bob Dawg,
No site with any amount of traffic can have open comments. I'm surprised you were able to last as long as you did. Kudos to EN Nation.
Probably, the trolls, err virtual assistants, are now helping transcribe the Foreclosure Code. Trying to parse that monotone clenched-jaw mumbling of Casey into coherent sentences.
Instead, they should market the book as an e-audio book instead (i.e., the mp3's). I know I would buy several copies -- one each for the FBI, DOJ, IRS, CA tax agency, Sac DA, ...
We have Worm Sign on IAFF.....
I'm confused about this login to blogger account stuff, I logged in once when I created my account and have never needed to do so again. So it seems like the problem is with folks who have multiple computers, or multiple accounts. Or am I missing something?
Confirms my theory about landing in SEA to avoid any unpleasant surprises.
Just a thought - I have to agree with certain aspects of what both Sputnick and Fly in the Ointment are trying to get across. This blog has turned into a bit of a cheerleaders rally. First lets all hate Nigel! Wait a minute - he's a good guy now! Ra Ra Ra! Next let's hate Duane! Wait a minute - he's a good guy now too! Ra Ra Ra! Screw that - let's hate this LossMitPro guy - guess what - Ra Ra RA!
Will it be Marty we are cheering for next?????
Fly in the Ointmens said something very profound:
"There is one important thing that I have learned in life. Don't ever choose or put stock in your partners/associates, simply because you share in disliking or are fighting with the same person. It is very blinding."
CHJTS hs taken it upon himself to berate and insult anyone who tries to figure why people that the haterz once hated are now revered. I don't believe that these folks are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts - too many people in their own lives could probably use the attention and assistance. I agree that everyone may have had an epiphany regarding Casey that caused them to change their opinions of him - but a 180 degree about face is odd to me as well. Please Nigel, Duane and Mark - I am not putting you down in the least, but isn't it kind of strange to one minute be so belligerent to anyone that is against Casey then turn the corner and act like those same people should now support you? And if not, be told curtly to move along? I am against Casey too, but I could never dream of inserting myself into someone else's life without having a vested and personal interest. Why can't Casey's family or friends ask for a retraing order - or ask Mark' advice in retaining an attorney to do so? Why does this have to be played out so publically unless there is something to be gained somewhere down the line?? I have a big heart too but there are people that need help in my own neighborhood - some of them in far greater need than Galina Serin will (hopefully) ever find herself in. She has two parents that are there for her - why does both these families rely on the advice of a man they don't know and who is not an attorney?? My suggestion is to advise these folks to file their own lawsuits and restraining orders.
I have posted under dozens of handles in this blog - it will be disappointing to set all my alter egos aside. Some of you may remember the woebegotten "mel" from last year. She morphed into many personnas , including this one. Remember how we all respected and put stock in Tim from Monterey Bay because he disapproved of Casey just as much as we did? Then the sick epiphany that all of us had at the same collective moment that something was very very wrong with this person? Food for thought.
So Dawg finnally has caved in and banned annonymous comments. He's getting closer and closer to turning in to Casey.
Yep, this confirms the whole direction this blog has taken. Used to be fun. Totally agree with Caseys Sex Life.
Actually Rob Dawg, I have to give you some credit. At least you didn't go whole hawg panty waisted with comment moderation, like some limp wristed bloggers out there. Gotta own up to that one.
"Lastly, a copy of the filed/endorsed complaint Caption Sheet is attached for your consideration. This should suffice to confirm that suit has in deed been filed, and that I am moving forward with action"
What an arse. It doesn't suffice. You're supposed to send the whole thing.
I'll be very surprised if lost mittens doesn't get sanctions tossed at him at some point if he continues this way.
At 4:15 PM, Bubba said...
So Dawg finnally has caved in and banned annonymous comments. He's getting closer and closer to turning in to Casey.
Do you have any fucking idea how incredibly stupid that comparison makes you look? About 50 people just put you on their troll ignore list Bubba.
New IAFF Post about Mark's "stupid" ex parte hearing (Casey's words).
In addition, Gaysey's talkshoe page indicates another fraudcast™ is on for this Friday, July 6th, at 8:00 PM EST.
Weather sux right now in NYC... no fireworks for me. bleh.
Perhaps we graduate to moderated posts next. Nope, not going to be nearly as fun, what a bunch of wimps.
thhpppt
@Tony: Confirms my theory about landing in SEA to avoid any unpleasant surprises.
However, the "thanks to the supporter for covering my airfare and stay" rather contradict's Rob's "it was mum" assertion. Unless Casey's lying.
discussing possible business ventures
Who TF would even consider a business relationship with Casey at this point? Even without the "sabotaging haterz", Casey's demonstrated himself to be a hugely inept businessman.
There's no need to copy/paste the entire IAFF post here, surely? It just plays into Casey's "sabotaging haterz infringing my copyright" justification.
I thought Moms paid for the flight back?
Why does it sound like Marty is not involved with Snowflake's defense?
Oh, wait. *Smacks forehead*
It's Casey. It's all lies. Nevermind.
"Trying to make an honest living". THAT'S comedy gold, folks!
Ho Ho Ho - It's Santa Flipper Clause
He wants somebody to go to court for him to "lemme know what happens."
Santa thinks, sooner or later, he is going to find out.
Santa F. Clause
Rob, Duane, Mark?
Could we pleeeeaase have some extra fireworks tonight?
We've been good!
This blog was more fun when I could pretend to be a White Power Nazi!
"Who TF would even consider a business relationship with Casey"
Come, come, my good man.
Have you no imagination?
Behold...Guido
Caseys Sex Life @ 4:16 PM:
”Fly in the Ointmens said something very profound:
‘There is one important thing that I have learned in life. Don't ever choose or put stock in your partners/associates, simply because you share in disliking or are fighting with the same person. It is very blinding..’”
Good thoughts, and I take no offense (geeze can’t believe I have to “qualify” rational comments to avoid hysteria). But from a personal perspective I’ve justified my conduct throughout this saga with facts, truth and openness. Some say too much openness, but I’ll take my chances.
Still I am constantly compared to what folks remember (often very little), what they THINK they know about me, and what they extrapolate from bits and pieces. If one were to look at the whole record, the entire shebang, they’d clearly understand where I’m coming from and won’t be accusing of a cheerleader mentality.
For example just today someone accused me of conspiring with Casey, misunderstanding the nature and function of my profession. That is, even though I’ve explained that aspect many time. So frankly, I don’t get the mentality that jumps on particular bandwagons without grasping the total scope.
I have found those who have taken the time to follow this story, have a more balanced view which I highly respect (yourself presumably included in that group).
Bottom-line is look what I’m dealing with, Casey get’s effective notice of a hearing tomorrow and does what? Tries to SPIN the facts as though there are no consequences to his action, just as others are doing; so it should be no wonder if I get a little testy at times? (Please bear with me if so, you’ll find me far and away more good natured than not.)
In any regard, deep down, I do respect even those who disagree with me. I do not and have NEVER, ever, taken issue with rational disagreement.
Thanks for taking time to express your thought, I do appreciate them!
~Mark
1st lawnmower od right. i've mentioned this before. No complete posts. Two wrongs and all that. If he asks I will pull the content. IMO the content should be spread over 3-4 posts for editorial context thus avoiding copyright infringement.
As to the financial arrangements for the return trip. Gee, the guy borrows money simultaneously from a half dozen banks and you don't think he's capable of simultaneous wire transfer fraud? Besides, given his penchant for careful money management it wouldn't be beyond his powers of evil to be kiting checks and/or crying poor is it?
well, Casey's sweet pagerank is drying up...
he's down to number 11 for "foreclosure" from #5. That means's he's no longer on page 1. Hope Casey lowers the rates for the advertisers.
I know it's a moot point, since IAFF's days are limited, but it still warms my cockles.
While we imagine Stephanie J. in her dirty jeep cornering fliptard in a dark Portland alley, don't forget to play the 4th of July bonus 6 Degrees of Casey Serin to Scooter Libby bonus game!
Kiting checks? That's so 90's, tough to do with check 21 and know your customer.
Casey claims to have so many generous supporters, what is he a gigolo?
King,
Good to hear Casey is being sent to the clearance aisle. Sad to say however with all the foreclosure code minions clued into their alexa visits here ENs ranking is suffering the same fate. How will I ever realize my dreams with the anons blocked, the paid disruptors unpaid and all? Sniff. Anybody wanna talk about the destructive part Walmart is plying in the housing crisis?
Lost mittens,
Why didn't you send casey a complete PDF of the complaint? Do you not intend to ever perfect service?
Also, I don't think you actually understand what ex-parte hearings are for.
I suspect you are in for a rude awakening on tuesday.
>> There's no need to copy/paste the entire IAFF post here, surely?
I never understood that. Casey's compensation is NOT based on number of clicks or pageviews. It's more his SEO activity for foreclosure raising his PageRank (links from media, other sites). That is what he is selling.
Sorry about the complete post...
Maybe my memory of the Haterzcast is fuzzy, but I thought Mark said the ex parte was delayed until next week.
I understand why he removed Anna as a defendant, but wish he'd left Mocha (although, he can still add Mocha later as one of the Does).
Just posted this on IAFF, doubt it gets through so I thought I would put it here.
"Too bad I am not even going to be in town for the stupid hearing (I guess he did that on purpose)."
You have GOT to be kidding me? You can NOT blame Mark because you didn't believe him and went on your merry way to another state instead of coming home to deal with everything on your plate.
Grow up Casey and start taking responsibility as well as being accountable for your actions and decisions.
LOL Look at who I am saying this too! Nevermind.
"Remember how we all respected and put stock in Tim from Monterey Bay"
I didn't. I know Tim from fifteen years ago. He's less pompous now but I couldn't believe how clueless he was on IAFF, week after week.
I've watched (and participated) in this same sort of digital posse action. I've seen the dynamics of how overboard it can go.
I mean, come on. Hunting Casey down at Starbucks in Seattle? Okay, it was mostly a joke but... maybe not quite?
I see far more fraud and damage on a daily basis in corporate america, sick creepy ass-covering politicians pervade the IT world now and they fuck everything up. I just had one of them trash a project I was on, a guy with a cumulative experience of 5 years managed to disrupt and disband three guys totalling 70 years of experience because, you know what, you just get sick of wasting your time.
Where the hell are all of these Supporterz coming from? His Corporate credit. They don't exist. Exploring potential business ventures my ass.
Anyway he sounds pretty pissed - and no supporterz are gonna bail him out of this one. Good luck Lost Mittens.
I don't think it was so much respect or putting stock in the guy, it's just he had some magical power over Casey that he actually got him to DO something besides blather and post bullshit.
Beyond that, don't really want to discuss that guy. I saw his attack on that woman, and I just don't want anything to do with him, period.
Rob,
Thank you for requiring a login. The 30-second one-time registration and 3 second login per session will not in the least deter people who really want to post here (trolls included). BUT it will hopefully reduce the number of idiot fly by's.
At 4:13 PM, Caseys Sex Life said...
CHJTS hs taken it upon himself to berate and insult anyone who tries to figure why people that the haterz once hated are now revered. I don't believe that these folks are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts - too many people in their own lives could probably use the attention and assistance. I agree that everyone may have had an epiphany regarding Casey that caused them to change their opinions of him - but a 180 degree about face is odd to me as well. Please Nigel, Duane and Mark - I am not putting you down in the least, but isn't it kind of strange to one minute be so belligerent to anyone that is against Casey then turn the corner and act like those same people should now support ...
Casey shut his blog down awhile back as he should have done for months and months and concentrated on his mess and his marriage.
But his dying baby needed to be brought back to life so he did it under the guise of litigation from marty.
See this whole thing is playing out in public because that is the way to stop casey. He is seeking the limelight, and he is trying to profit from his crimes. He is trying to position himself to be a foreclosure guru expert with books and other media.
The problem is he has no qualifications and simply cannot help people in foreclosure..just look at his posting asking for help from his readers regarding her foreclosure. Her asking casey for help is akin to asking a gardner to perform brain surgery.
Mark and Duane did not choose the battlefield..CASEY DID.
He wants media exposure and relish's in all of the talk and exposure about him. He has no morals, confuses begging with sweet leverage instead of embarrasment for not being able to stand on his own two feet and own up to his mistakes.
Now steps up two people (mark and duane) that have the knowledge, expertise and resources to stop this monster before he causes any more damage.
The only thing casey understands is sweet media attention.
Hundreds of people have advised him to shut his blog down and take care of his mess in private. But the only way to get through to him is in public.
He has never had any repercussions for his crimes and his deceit and he simply will continue on until he is stopped.
Since LE is sitting with their thumbs and heads up their ass, then Mark decided to step up to the plate because his professional livelihood was tarnished and he sustained measurable losses.
The straw that broke the camels back was when casey decided to profit from his crimes and try to position himself to be the same type of guru to bilk people out of money that bilked him out of money at the scaminars.
And then he deserted his wife and completely screwed his mom with hammar corporation.
So you are damn right I will jump down anyones throat that questions Mark and Duanes Motives.
These two are doing more than just sitting around and bitching about casey for months on end like the rest of the haterz do (myself included). They have balls bigger than all of us.
I support them 100% and I will defend them when appropriate.
If you all cant handle that then simply ignore me like I ignore the anonopussies.
PS to all the little whiny bitches that dont like my talkcasts.
It was my idea to start them.
It was my idea to continue them.
I offered to let someone else host, guess what..nobody stepped up.
It is my show, I will run it how I want, interrupt whomever the fuck I want, Add what I want, have on who I want, say what I want.
Do you see the picture...MY SHOW< MY RULES.
If you dont like it, then you dont have to listen to it. Your like the people that bitch about some radio show like howard stern, and yet still listen to it to see what he will say next....Heres a clue, TUNE TO ANOTHER STATION.
Mark,
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Once again, my post was in no way "pointing fingers" at individuals, but merely an observation in general.
However, after reading Casey's reply to your lawsuit, all I can say at this point is show him how good your hand is. And for the sake of all of us Haterz's sanity, let's pray it's a royal flush.
@Broward Horne -
I realize that I was a little overzealous in reprinting "respect and take stock in" when recounting the infamous TMBA. I called him on his pompousness (finally), and he showed his true colors. If he were even more pompous 15 years ago, and you were in his presence - I offer my sincerest apologies.
Mouse And Pencil @ 4:44 PM:
”... Rob, Duane, Mark? Could we pleeeeaase have some extra fireworks tonight? We've been good!”
Yes you have been good, and because you asked AND been patient I’ll spill some beans. I wasn’t going to expose my intentions or my aims in the morning, but since Casey has elected to continue his disparagement of my name. May as well... Plus you’ve all been very gracious with me, so here goes.
Tomorrow morning I shall petition His Honor McMaster for a number of provisions, ONLY one of which I’ll discuss here. And that is to blind Google and Yahoo from resolving IAFF in search engine results. This would also extend (not saying how) to other search engines by natural consequence.
It should be known (as I stated in the last Haterzcast) that I had no intention of attempting to prohibit Casey’s Constitutional Right of free speech (this week of all weeks). And I needn’t do that to protect my name because if (and this is up to the judge) the petition is granted, Casey can continue to blog to his heart’s content. Only problem would be, nothing will resolve in the Search Engines for IAFF. So what’s the point?
I can tell you something else. His Honor McMaster is likely NOT going to take kindly to having a process within his court referred to as STUPID! That demonstrates sheer pomposity, disrespect for lawful process, and a mindset that considers its bearer untouchable. Well, the latter may be proven wrong tomorrow.
Let’s be clear, the judge may not grant my requests... Time will tell.
~Mark
Casey claims to have so many generous supporters, what is he a gigolo?
There's a fine line between "gigolo" and "M4M escort".
It's either that or he's paying his own way everyway and lying through his teeth about it. I'm just not buying multiple people agreeing to put this ragged urchin up, no strings attached. Maybe one nutcase in Australia, yes, but "a supporter in Seattle", "friends in Portland", "Canadian Fan", "offers in other countries". I call B.S.
@Kerriella,
Yes, KC has plenty of notice. Of course, I never expected him to show up.
"Stupid", to my 20-something kids, really means "difficult", "unpleasant", "I don't want to exert the effort". It's a whiny word spoken from a sense of lazy entitlement.
@LMP
Your monetary damages?
(Amount demanded does not exceed
$10,000, and is less than $25,000.)
@ Mark -- Tomorrow morning I shall petition His Honor McMaster
Didn't you say on yesterday's AntiFraudcast™ that it was Judge Chang, or was I hallucinating?
Just playing devil's advocate before anyone else brings it up :)
"Tomorrow morning I shall petition His Honor McMaster for a number of provisions, ONLY one of which I’ll discuss here. And that is to blind Google and Yahoo from resolving IAFF in search engine results."
I think that will happen anyway. IAFF is already dropping down, and once it hits page 2 it's all over. Few people go past the first page when searching.
Does anyone know if Casey is really charging a fee for rendering financial or legal advice?
Hey CHJTS,
Who loves you baby? Just don't want you stroking out or anything - you get so damn worked up!! And you know what happens when you are mean to Sputnick - better check them shoes of yours! All good, my friend - I know you have everyone's best interest at heart.
mel
TK,
Understand, he has supporterz™. He's been burning through them at an unbelievable rate and now has to go international, Canada, Australia, wherever. Whatever it is that Casey has, if it could be isolated and injected into a functional human being could be dangerous. Being a fat old walrus of a dawg I've seen some interesting sh!t in my life. There is such a thing as charisma and it definitely has a genetic component. Teela Brown luck seems also to be real if somewhat more random than A.C. Clarke describes it. I've been privledged to be exposed to some of the greatest raw intellects of our age. Casey ain't smart, ain't personable, ain't clever but he's.. I don't know... unflappably buoyant. So much so that it is sometimes infectious. It has a limited radius like charisma but I won't deny it exists.
Mouse And Pencil said...
Beyond that, don't really want to discuss that guy. I saw his attack on that woman, and I just don't want anything to do with him, period.
I didn't even know you were around back in the Tim from MBA days.
@LMP,
Mark - thanks for the info. You are at least stepping up and trying to stop the damage Casey is causing himself and others. If the judge doesn't rule your way, that doesn't diminish the respect you've earned to doing the right thing and attempting to stop foolish (yes, and maybe criminal) behavior.
Best wishes tomorrow.
Benoit @ 5:15 PM:
”Didn't you say on yesterday's AntiFraudcast™ that it was Judge Chang, or was I hallucinating?”
Nope, I’m the one on glue. I was up all night the night before (computer issue, fixed now) so I was tired yesterday and forgot about court sequencing of Case Numbers, which (by the number of my case) puts me in Dept. 53 not 54.
Good call!
@ Lou Minatti
I hear ya, but I’m just speeding the process this way. ;)
~Mark
His ranking may be dropping, but that's fixable. What Mark is doing prevents the fix. It hamstrings anything Casey and Marty do, because they'll have to spam to get any traffic, beyond exisiting Haterz™ and Supporterz™.
Pretty shrewd. :) Thanks Mark!
I love how he admits he thought Mark was bluffing. I swear, if anything, this will prove to the little fucker that just saying "they're bluffing" is not a good business tactic. I'd love to know what guru told him to do that, probably Marty.
@endgame
My take on "stupid", for Casey, is "something so below me I don't even want to acknowledge it, my guru/mentor told me it's frivilous, so I'm juts going to belittle it because I never, ever, ever, ever, ever admit that I'm wrong. Gosh, would people just leave me alone so I can bilk people out of sweet cash so I can sit on my ass and act all important? Like, man, that's not right! Like, who died and made Mark God? He's not the boss of me! I know more than he does, he doesn't even work in real estate, what would he know, you know, man? Oh, he does? Well, that still doesnt mean anything, like, man, how would he feel if I tried to stop him from making an honest buck? Is that right? It's a grey area, man. Like, it's crazy!"
Apologies for adding redundant white noise, but could someone please post a linky to last night's HaterzCast? I don't recall what thread it was on.
@T
I used to wear an anonymous mask. :) I only posted over there once or twice, I don't even remember what name I used, I set up a dispoasable gmail account for it. I only got all mouthy when I came here.
@ Rob
Teela Brown is Niven. :)
I can not believe there are any supporterz in Portland...
My guess as to Casey's location - down at waterfront park at the blues fest.
@ Engame: MAYBE criminal behavior???
I still miss Heidi, our legal eagle. She got spooked that cold, dark night and never came back. dammit
Could someone clue me in about this Tim from Monterey dude?
Lost mittens spake thusly:
"Tomorrow morning I shall petition His Honor McMaster for a number of provisions, ONLY one of which I’ll discuss here. And that is to blind Google and Yahoo from resolving IAFF in search engine results. This would also extend (not saying how) to other search engines by natural consequence."
And are you on His Honor's motion calender for tomorrow? Did you inform Casey/Marty et al. yesterday before 10 a.m. of the relief you are seeking? Or are you just going to show up ex parte, with a copy of a filed complaint, before issue is even joined, and demand the judge grants you an order?
Further, can you think of one possible reason why if the court doesn't grant your request about the search engines immediately - despite your willingness to sit on this issue for over a week - you will suffer immediate and irreparable harm.
Come on, admit it, you have absolutely no idea what you are doing, do you?
Mouse And Pencil said...
@T
I used to wear an anonymous mask.
You sneaky bastard. :)
OMFG
I think I ate the equivalent of about a half a watermelon. Ugh. What was I thinking?
@Annie
How much air do you think Casey would get if a certain Jeep were to sneek up behind him and launch him OFF the waterfront?
Rob,
Are you deleting posts and banning people? Is the no anonymous, just to keep people from impersonating other people? Sorry, my name is Bubba and yes i'm dumb.
Mark,
Are there examples of prior actions similar to what you are doing? Or is this something completely new?
Alcohol Swabbie said...
Could someone clue me in about this Tim from Monterey dude?
He was a long-winded, wordy motherfucker; always giving Casey advice and direction over @ IAFF.
Then he he came over here and went postal one night on female member.
Everyone thought it was an imposter until he admitted it the next day or so.
And then he left. Buh-bye.
Rob said -- Casey ain't smart, ain't personable, ain't clever but he's.. I don't know...
Ahh, out with it already... it's a three letter word, rhymes with "pay". That's where all these "supporterz" are... ahem, "coming" from.
Friends in Portland? Sure. Casey's given a whole new meaning to "hitting bottom". ;-Þ
Mouse
Casey wouldn't get too much air if hit by a jeep into the Willamette - he'd be wearing concrete boots that would weigh him down too much.
Endgame @ 5:22 PM:
”If the judge doesn't rule your way…”
Weeellll, in a nutshell... Case law is specific, evidence overwhelming, requests reasonable, arguments sound. I’m pretty confident, but hey it’s been said... ‘The law is what the black robe says it is, on any given day.’
Thanks for the best wishes.
~Mark
Tim was like some sorta sleeper-cell psycho who just decided that was his night to drop the bomb.
He needed a 5150 time-out fo sho.
Mel/Caseys Sex Life/whatever,
I tend to agree with what you were saying earlier; however, can't we put Tim MBA's meltdown to rest? The guy obviously has some issues yet took responsibility and apologized for what he said - which is more than one can say for most trolls these days.
Mel,
You know I still heart you.
I am going to bottom line it.
I did not get overly upset with casey before he shut his blog down.
It was more irritaitment than anything.
But when the twists of him deserting his wife and fucking over his family happened...it took me to a whole new level that I never would have thought.
When he took his blog down, I emailed rob and ran the idea of a haterzcast by him and asked him to host it.
In the end I wound up hosting it and it was going to be only a 1 time deal. if you listen to the first haterzcast, it was allot of fun.
I honestly did not think the story would continue on this long, I figured it was pretty much in its death throes and he was going to respect his wife, come to his senses, and shut it down, and work to get out of the mess with a job.
In all of the fraudcasts that I have called, I have always stuck by giving casey advice to shut it down and respect his wife.
It enrages me to no end what he did to his wife...and that is the one trigger that put me over the top.
At no point did I want to get involved with this story to the level I have (fielding questions from supporterz, haterz, multiple talkcasts etc) not only on here but in emails.
I receive 20-50 emails a day regarding casey.
Just about every haterzcasts I send him an invite to come on and he expresses interest and then declines (cant blame him).
The only way to stop him is on his battleground of choice..and that is in the media/public and in the mud.
This is not where I would prefer this be handled, but it is the only place he responds too and will show up at to do battle.
YES Nigel, Mark, and Duane used to be the scorn of the haterz...That is a fair and valid assesment....
BUT, they have come to their senses and are stepping up with telling their sides of the stories and they realize that they are the ones to do something about it and stop him.
IN THE END, the biggest victim of this all is Galina.
This young lady was lied to, manipulated, and brainwashed into thinking snowflake could do no evil.
And he dragged her into a quagmire of a mess.
She had her life set, her parents were paying for college, here comes casey...fucks that up for her.
She quits school, and starts to work two jobs while her husband deserts her with NO MONEY and leaves her to clean up his mess.
EVEN after all is said and done and he knows there is a world of shit facing him back at home with his family and his wife.
He knows she has filed for seperation........HE STILL DOES NOT GO HOME.
He goes to seattle and then FUCKING GOSHDAMMIT My hometown for a week and says I will problably be in sacramento next week.
There is no sense of urgency to him, his marriage is failing, his family is seeing attorneys...BOTH families are meeting to discuss how he has FUCKED everybody..and yet he still chases after deals.
He is a piece of scumbag shit.
As I have said before, I have a huuuuge rolodex and I knows a helluva lot of people here that do real estate for a living.
If and when the details come out of any dealings he does in portland. I will dig up so much dirt on whomever assists him..I will have do whatever I can to have any professional licenses they have REVOKED, and CIVIL PENALTIES applied to them by the OREGON REAL ESTATE COMMISIONER...This includes, mortgage brokers, title officers, Real Estate Agents, Property Managers, and anyone else that is involved in a deal with him.
IF you do a deal with him in portland, You had better be damn 10000000% percent certain that that deal can handle the transparency of a REC investigation and court investigation.
I have already been in contact with some professionals that follow his story and let them know that he was in town. There is a group of us that follow his story and we all laugh over him. They said they would be in contact with people they know and get the word out that casey serin is in town and point people to his website and caseypedia.com
I KID YOU NOT CASEY AND WHOMEVER DOES DEALINGS WITH HIM IN PORTLAND...I am ready willing and able and I DAMN promise you that if you deal with him ...IT had better be crystal clear transparent and above board deal..because I will investigate it and/or REPORT it along with any evidence I can drum up.
Mark, I'm on your side, but two questions (one of which one of your detractors asked).
I thought the notification rule was 10am the court day before (which would have been yesterday).
I swear you said on the hatercast you had pulled all your events off calendar for tommorrow.
@T,
Oops - after re-reading my post, that didn't come out right at all.
Was trying to say if court found his foolish behavior criminal.
akubi,
Here ya go. Link to last night's Haterzcast.
Endgame said...
@T,
Oops - after re-reading my post, that didn't come out right at all.
Was trying to say if court found his foolish behavior criminal.
Thanks for the clarification. I did a double take and was like WTF? LOL
Hey Akubi,
Point noted - I have steered clear of mentioning his name at all since that week. And I have posted quite a few times since then (understatement of the year!!) Just something that Fly in the Ointment said made me think of him. And i wouldn't have reposted that vile shit, but I brought his name up without thinking there would be people wondering who you know who was. That little repost explains it all. But I will delete it - you're right about him owing up to it
LMP: I do respect even those who disagree with me. I do not and have NEVER, ever, taken issue with rational disagreement.
Well, I do disagree with you. I can't know what's in your head of-course, but to me your lawsuit smells more of attention grabbing than being a good citizen. I know that Dawg and others have hinted at the action being more a means than an ends, most likely because you hope that you'll learn damning evidence during discovery, but I don't buy it.
I think that the lawsuit is specious and the judge will see it as that. You're not going to learn anything because KC isn't going to respond. I understand that the wheels of justice move slowly, but that doesn't mean the judge won't dismiss this suit at the first opportunity. In the meantime it will simply waste valuable court resources.
And that's my prediction. You'll learn nothing, waste court time, provide KC with valuable blog material, and accomplish nothing. I'm all for KC getting his comeupance, but if the folks truly harmed by his actions don't want to retaliate why should you? You weren't harmed directly, you inserted yourself into the KC saga knowing full well what you were getting yourself in to, and you're not helping anyone by filing this lawsuit.
Maybe I'll be proven wrong, and if I am I'll apologize. For now, with respect, I call you an attention whore.
Relentless @ 5:43 PM:
”I thought the notification rule was 10am the court day before (which would have been yesterday).”
I’ve been on calendar in two Departments for almost a week (Casey & Marty had notice of this). I don’t recall exactly what I said last night, but that doesn’t count whatever it was (if I misspoke and said I “took” -- past tense – both hearings off). 24-hours notice is the ExParte’ requirement, official notice was given this morning at 8:55 AM Pacific and Casey himself confirms effective receipt.
No wiggle room in this deal.
~Mark
@Kirk
I bet the judge already knows that 10,000 does not exceed 25,000
(Amount demanded does not exceed
$10,000, and is less than $25,000.)
@CHJTS
I can only imagine how many e-mails all of you guys get - which is why i havent tried to contact anyone, beyond giving Rob a graphic, which he graciously used. I don't really have much to offer to help, beyond support, and I'm fine with that. I've run forums before, i know how much work it is, just answering the mail.
You don't need to explain yourself at all - we all have our reasons, some noble, some less, and it's nobody's business. Most of the regulars here feel the same way, that he crossed the line at 30,000 feet with dinner service and a movie when he abandoned Galina, and agree that he's a scumbag piece of shit. Anyone who supports him, or attacks Mark, Duane, Rob, Annie, or you, can go fuck themselves.
Kirk said...
For now, with respect, I call you an attention whore.
Most amusing sentence of the day.
Just created my account. A big thanks to everyone for all the good work being done.
Happy 4th !
Like T once said
@Kirk
Put a sock in it already....
@T: Thanks, I rather liked it as well, if I do say so myself.
" If TMBA was even more pompous 15 years ago.. I offer my sincerest apologies"
Oh, he was *far* more pompous. :)
I don't know what happened but he's subdued now. OTOH, so am I. :)
Smartmobs
Been there, done that first-hand, I've been part of a smartmob. My ex-wife organized a neighborhood watch armed with cameras, radios and the occasional firearm.
That posse stepped over the line, my wife is far too casual about violence and she was ousted by the Watch committee after a year.
It's easy to get carried away with "moral justice" particularly if there are unrelated injustices in your own life.
Care to elaborate Mark or Duane? :)
I have to hand it to Casey, he's outlasted my predictions. IAFF may be falling in Google rankings but the "Casey Serin" meme is still ramping up. I figured he would be toast in May.
Google Trends
Technorati chart
Blogpulse
@LMP
I dont like wiggle room in this case.
Casey is an oiled pig in that category, give him an inch..he's gone..And in my opinion the law is that way too.
so to bottom line it...Sick em
No loss mittens. They didn't receive notice, because you never sent them your moving papers. So how could they be on notice?
Also, I can't see how this can have been on two different calenders for over a week. Especially when you only filed yesterday.
You might also want to consider that today was a holiday. I'm not au courant with California civil procedure, but quite frequently that sort of thing makes a difference.
In conclusion. Your pleadings are not 'secret' from your opposing parties, and you are under a duty to get all copies of the relevant papers to them in a timely fashion. Telling them that they are available at the courthouse doesn't count.
Dawg, Mark or Duane
Is the whole Casey saga worthy of a book? Reason I ask is to ascertain the magnitude of the whole mess.
Thanks
Joe
one hundred and murst bitches
Kirk @ 5:52 PM:
”For now, with respect, I call you an attention whore.”
Yes, in the days of Christ were an ass to speak? It would have been considered a miracle. But some manage the feat even today! If I wanted the attention:
1) Why would I have gone off so hard on Rob,
when Benoit outted me?
2) Why would I raise hell with ENers, for the
disparagement of my firm, when I first came
to this issue?
3) Why would I ask Casey to take down all my posts?
4) Why am I making an issue about exposure now?
Dude, you need to either get a clue or a set of reading glasses. Nothing I’ve done to date supports your contention, nothing!
Demantoid @ 5:55 PM:
@ Kirk: I bet the judge already knows that 10,000 does not exceed 25,000.”
Pleading requirement Einstein, try less snark and more reason?
@ Relentless
LOL, I hear ya about the pig thing. ;)
TMBA meltdown? Ah, that would make sense then. I missed it. I quit reading IAFF just before the Haterz blogs started popping up.
Most of my interest in Casey is technical, i.e. click fraud. I *am* impresed with how he's managed to tap into a wide range of unique constructs and associate hinself to them - Jamba Juice, murse, "sweet", "itsallgood", the blue ball.
He's a natural character.
harold,
Give it up already. Jesus you trollz think that sitting there and cleaning up your bullshit is going to change the fact that LOSSMIT filed.
It doesnt minimize nor make go away that someone stepped up to do something. Casey has already said he wont be there...I doubt he will even show up for the trial. Lostmittens will win by default because casey is on JudgeIgnoreMode.
Look at the wording in the case, Lostmittens is not a novice, he knows his way around a courtroom.
Now that being said..i have been thinking of new nicknames for lostmittens there.
one is loSSMinnow (with casey as gilligan).
and since the court case says he is an unmarried man..we can call him lostMisses.
Now back to the fun.....
When will I ever get laid???? My balls are blue, and if I get any skinnier I will look like a miniature tripod. Gotta focus on my pick-up lines...
"If you buy, I'll fly... (please include cab fare from the airport)"
"Your place or....your place?"
"Gas, grass or ass - no one rides for free, sweet mama. Oh wait - that would apply to me, not you. "
Damn, I gotta get away to another country and work on these lines some more.
"Is the whole Casey saga worthy of a book?"
I was wondering myself today. I gotta say, now he's in Portland.
Most will disagree on "ethical reasons" but... if he keeps it going for another 3-4 months, living on blog ads and traversing the country untouched...
I mean, dang. There's drama, the wife abandoned, there's adventure in city after city, there's a growing band of Haterz hunting him in each city, there's legal crap, there's all sorts of unique identifiers like Jamba & the blue ball...
I hate to admit it, but he's not far off from book & movie material. He not see any income from it, though. :)
"I got a sweet four door V-dubs with an expansive backseat I can cook you breakfast in."
Is there a link to the Complaint filed by LMP... yes I know that Caseypedia has put up an excerpt, but do we have the whole thing? I want to read all of it.
Also has LMP disavowed the statement he made back in March that said, in effect, that most people hate Casey cause they don't have his guts?
And those of you whining about having to register... I mean how goddamned hard is it to grab a gmail, hotmail or yahoo address and do it.
Is the whole Casey saga worthy of a book?
IMO, there needs to be some kind of an ending to this saga. As it stands, the story's been in somewhat of a holding pattern for months. There are occasional "holy shit" moments now and then, but Casey still hasn't suffered any tangible consequences.
The only real endings to this story are:
- Casey goes to prison
- Casey miraculously makes the turnaround of the century and succeeds wildly in some field, paying back all debt in the process
- Casey finally wakes up to his grim situation and offs himself, as distasteful as it is to say.
- There's the non-ending where Casey mooches off people, and becomes a two-bit grifter for the rest of his life, and the law never catches up with him.
There needs to be some small steps to a resolution. Mark's court actions may be just that, maybe not. Remains to be seen, I suppose.
Now there's the old lostmitts we all know. I knew you couldn't be nice all day.
Pleading requirement?
(Amount demanded does not exceed
$10,000, and is less than $25,000.)
Legal mumbo jumbo, it's redundant, why not say amount demanded is less than 25,000?
Or did you mean EXCEEDS $10,000.
and is less than 25,000?
Or maybe lawyers get paid by the word.
"I receive 20-50 emails a day regarding casey."
See? The Casey meme has jumped from a central infection point at IAFF.com into MULTIPLE distribution points like EN, SLC Guy,etc.
It's fascinating to watch, maybe I should track it better and try to turn it into a meme methodology. But with Casey, it really is an art form.
CHJTS still thinks this is a "right" and "wrong" world. Good luck, buddy. As you have seen so far, it is not.
It all functions lies now.
Whoever lies the best... I mean, dang, look at the entire housing bubble. How many of those realtors & appraisors are gonna get "punished"?
Almost none.
It all runs on lies now. That's the nature of fake money. Dishonest money creates dishonest people.
CHJTS
I'm not trolling. I genuinely disapprove of both Lost Mittens and Casey.
Everything I asked lost mittens are perfectly reasonable questions about the procedural posture of his case.
And unless loss mittens actually manages to perfect service (something he seems unwilling to do, because he seems to believe that pleadings are confidential information), he won't get a default judgment. It's called due process.
@LMP:
"Tomorrow morning I shall petition ... to blind Google and Yahoo from resolving IAFF in search engine results."
I bet $100 the judge will decline this request. BTW, does the court publish their resolutions for this type of cases somewhere so we can read what the judge decides?
Hobbes,
Lost mittens seems to believe that only he should know the full contents of his pleadings. (Especially opposing parties).
So no, there isn't a link.
Why other people can't see the problem with this is beyond me.
Legion said...
Put a sock in it already....
Hey, you! Happy Fourth! <3
The Official Caey Serin World Fraud Tour '07 Rider
So, you've been accepted as Caey Serin™'s next couch to flop on! Congrats! Very few people get this honor, we're sure you will be excited and will enjoy the experience as much as he does. We have a short, easy list to make his stay as pleasant as possible.
Snowflake shall require and be provided with the following at each location, or he will post disaprovingly about you on his blog. (And as always, legal contracts are non-binding and can be renegotiated later)
1. A clean, well lit, tastefully decorated room AT LEAST 10' square (we don't need any "prison cell" comments, do we?), with his own bed, his own private bath stocked with the latest and trendy toiletries, clean towels (the nice big fluffy ones, please, not those cheap tacky Target ones.).
1A. A proper hook for hanging your guests Murse™ must be installed. Brass, gold, and platinum are accepatable as long as it looks expensive - no wood or plastic, as that will taint the Murse™. Placement should be close to the main door, well lit, well ventilated, and at a constant temperature of 68˚ Celcius.
2. Internet access. No dial up, broadband at a minimum, and a free laptop/desktop computer with the latest operating system and software installed (Microsoft Office and all Adobe products.) Nobody else will touch this computer for teh duration of the stay, and nobody else willl use the Internet as well, as your guest will be engaged in MASSIVE FOCUSED ACTION!
3. Jamba Juices, Starbucks Coffee, all fresh, available upon demand, with no WAITING. Your guest is IMPORTANT.
4. A blue ball to sit upon.
5. Vegan sirloin steak, Vegan prime rib, Free Range king crab, and Organic bbq ribs shall be served at any hour upon demand - blogging is tiring work, and your guest will need all the protein he can get.
6. The abode shall remain perfectly quiet while your guest is sleeping, and he may sleep at any hour, for long durations, with frequent naps. He is a busy business person, and needs his sleep. Don't be a Hater and make noise!
7. No cats.
8. All phone calls from creditors, wives, divorce attorneys, old business partners, Haterz™, Feds, the IRS, the FTB, Nigel, banks, and any government office will be ignored for the duration of the stay.
9. Calls from Marty WILL be answered, and detailed, clearly written messages taken and communicated to your guest IMMEDIATELY.
10. NO CATS.
11. You shall entertain your guest upon demand, and convey him to whrever he requests, which may or may include paying for a meal at a restaurant. No fast food, only upscale like Olive Garden, Red Lobster, or Denny's. If you bore your guest, you must convey him to wherever he may find entertainment, and wait for him to conclude his business, regardless of the hour. NO complaints. You offered to put your very important guest up, you should be grateful he chose you.
12. You may not under any circumstances share your experience with the press, friends, family, or Haterz™.
13. Please have 1 (one) plane ticket, business class, to any destination in the world, ready and sitting on your guests' bedside table. He may use it to look for more Sweet Dealz™, or cash it in, it is his choice. Most major airlines are acceptable.
14. You will not, under any circumstances, criticize, make fun of, degrade, hate, diminish, question, harrass, or in any way fail to fawn and bow and scrape over your guest. You may make eye contact ONLY after he has accepted the accomodations, but will revoke that right at will.
15. You WILL be supportive, cheerful, happy, generous, and in all ways on your guests' side, now matter what happens. If he has a loud arguemnt on the phone at 3 a.m. you will not be angry, but you will be supportive and caring. Or else.
16. No cats!
17. You WILL NOT monetize your guests appearance in any way, shape, or form. If any money is generated, it is the property of your guest. Period. That includes change found in your couch.
18. TBDL (to be determined later.
NOTE: No laundry is required.
All of the above must be performed if you are to be a lucky, once in a lifetime host of Casey Serin™. (Or until he needs a place to crash again.) Please be diligent in catering to his every need and whim, he's had a hard time paying his dues by ignoring all the chaos and heartbreak in his wake, and only needs to be bothered with positive, organic people in the future.
Don't make him blog about you. You have been warned.
CHJTS,
You have expressed your outrage at Casey and the outrage you will feel against anybody in the Portland area that partners to do business with Casey, or wants to help him out in a professional capacity.
Based on that can you possibly understand that I felt that way( to a degree, I have never been that emotionally passionate about the whole thing) months ago when Duane came on the scene to help Casey and again when Mark came on the scene to help Casey.
It seems that the difference between us is that Casey leaving Galina and screwing his family over really set you over the edge, whereas I was already completely offended by Caseys criminal actions, by the time Duane and Mark came on the scene.
When they came on the scene, I immediately thought, who the hell are these guys that are ignoring the crimes of this little fuck and offering to help him out. I didn't jump up and down and have a meltdown, or come over to this site and say anything, but trust me that my feelings then, mirror your feelings now. So perhaps you can understand why I am suspect.
We often time hear supporters say, "Well if Casey had bought these houses a year earlier, he would have made money, ad naseum"
They fail to see that regardless, he would still be a criminal that has no remorse and gamed the system. As haterz we cannot understand how people can miss this.
Conversely, if Casey were not a total flake and betrayed Duanes trust ( according to what has been said) then Casey would be making some pretty good money now with Duane and because of Duane. ( Didn't Duane promise at least $4000 per month and I have heard up to $72,000 per year. Why the hell was this person willing to come on the scene and put $48,000-$78,000 per year into this criminal, fucktards pocket.
I hope they are doing something now, they were very willing to help this criminal. Some of us just aren't that impressed when we see such a change of heart, following a business break-up.
If you paid attention to the story, then you know what Casey was capable of. None of this should really be a surprise. We all knew what Casey was really made of and that we were dealing with someone a hell of alot more calculating then he ever let on.
Sorry for the long-winded post. I'm really not Tim from Monteray Bay. Mouse, I am not attacking Mark and Duane, I am trying to explain why I have a hard time seeing their benevolence.
Demantoid @ 6:28 PM:
”Pleading requirement?”
Did I stutter? Read Cal. Rules of Court before popping off with STUFF that either has no basis in reality, or seeks to split hairs that don’t mater.
Other than that, hope you’re enjoying the fourth! ;)
@ Harold Saxon
Sigh... Service of Summons needn’t be complete before an ExParte’ hearing and the same goes for the motion itself, dearest Harold. See above? Now if you want a copy of the pleadings? Pay for them ($.50 a page at the courthouse)! I’m not obligated to release copies to the public, and I’m not hiding a thing by refusing to do so.
@ M&P
ROTFLMAO!
~Mark
Harold Saxon said...
Lost mittens seems to believe that only he should know the full contents of his pleadings. (Especially opposing parties).
Why other people can't see the problem with this is beyond me.
Yeah, I don't get this, either. I think he must serve Casey the full and complete filing, no?
I mean, how else will Casey answer (hehe... like he's actually gonna officially answer) if he has no idea what it's about?
I must confess I have a feeling Lost Mittens' case is without merit.
At 6:36 PM, CostaRican said...
@LMP:
"Tomorrow morning I shall petition ... to blind Google and Yahoo from resolving IAFF in search engine results."
So..... has he sued Google and yahoo?
For a judge to "blind [sic]" (I assume he means "bind", Yahoo and Google would have to be sued, unless somehow California has managed to opt out of the "due process" requirements of the 5th and 14th Amendments.
Lost mittens seems to believe that only he should know the full contents of his pleadings. (Especially opposing parties).
Really? Well in most states civil pleadings are public record, unless there is some reason like lack of majority or soemthing like that.
I am holding to my opinion that if Casey undertakes a modicum of effort to oppose this lawsuit, Casey wins. But it Casey has no idea what a modicum of effort means.
That's why I want to see the pleadings, I just don't see a cause of action other than possibly libel (and I mean libel, not liable).
Silly Mouse! 68˚C is like 150˚ F! LOL
@T
You dare question the Casey Serin™ Rider?
(Damn it, we need an 'edit" button!)
Mouse And Pencil said...
That includes change found in your couch.
I take back my previous statement. THIS ^ is the best sentence of the day.
@Hobbes,
That's exactly why I believe LMP's request will be denied on the spot. No way that judge will order Google and Yahoo! anything based only on an ex-parte appearance.
Ok, lossmitt, I am certainly no Clarence Darrell. Tell the judge the damages are 4000, that way he'll boot you right out of Superior Court into small claims.
From there you won't be heard until you have proof of service.
Lost Mittens,
It's good you are so confident.
We'll see what happens tomorrow then, eh?
Look, the only opinion on whether LMP's suit has any merit that matters is the Judge's. So why bother speculating?
Q: What do you call a misogynistic, racist, flatulent, senile judge?
A: Your Honor.
As for the departed Tim, I certainly can't defend what he said. I thought it was really out of character. But, if I recall correctly, he finally convinced Snowflake to post that financial statement (if that's what you want to call it). I wonder what a current one would look like.
Hi, all.
Glad the noise has been diminished (somewhat, anyway)
CHJTS,
I don't understand your attack on Harold and the unquestioning defense of LMP. When LMP throws legal terms around I always picture Leonardo di Caprio as a doctor in Catch me if you can ("Do you concur?"). False light? You've got to be kidding. My educated guess is that LMP will not find a sympathetic audience in court, as Harold has also suggested.
If LMP does succeed in getting law enforcement to do something about Casey I'll be among the first to congratulate him. I doubt that will happen. And I doubt he'll achieve anything beyond getting his case tossed quickly. This lawsuit will just encourage Casey's insane and unjustified sense of invulnerability.
Demantoid @ 7”03 PM:
”Tell the judge the damages are 4000, that way he'll boot you right out of Superior Court into small claims.”
Why do apparently insist on being a jerk?
Small Claims “IS” Superior Court here in California since consolidation, there are no more Municipal Courts here. Additionally, injunctive relief cannot be granted in Small Claims. Proper venue is Limited Civil and (possibly) Unlimited Civil if I amend. Moreover, California Small Claims limit is $7,500.
But as to my question, don’t bother answering. It should be clear to everyone I’m a tad more familiar with what I AM doing than meets the eye. Jerky comments, snark, stupidity and know-it-alls notwithstanding.
~Mark
Loss mittens,
Some of the stupidity know it alls might actually be trying to help you here.
Not all of them. But some.
I think the way you are going about this is very ill advised. Doubly so considering earlier posts in this thread.
9:28 Saxon,
That's exactly the issue. It only helps Casey if LMP files a claim that is thrown out by the judge. That will add yet another chapter to Casey's book collection, his first "success" against the haterz.
Let's wait 'till tomorrow and see what happens. It's at 9 AM, right?
At 6:57 PM, CostaRican said...
>That's exactly why I believe LMP's request will be denied on the spot. No way that judge will order Google and Yahoo! anything based only on an ex-parte appearance.<
Google and Yahoo wouldn't be ordered to do anything-- what keeps search engines from spidering a site is a small amount of text called a robots.txt file that the webmaster encodes into the CSS or HTML on a site. This would be an order requiring Casey to modify his blog's code to include robots.txt. The net effect is that Google and Yahoo would be blinded to IAFF based on actions Casey would be ordered to perform, and this would have absolutely no impact on either company.
-- formerly posting as eebee
Mark,
Don't let the negativity get you down. Some of us understand what you are doing and I hope you win big.
It's time to put aside this weird partisan nitpicking and realize that Casey is NOT trying to help anybody but himself. He wants to make money from his infamy and that cannot stand.
HE chose to make this whole saga a very sad, pathetic public display so now he gets what he's been asking for all along. He thumbs his nose at the legal system and uses anybody and everybody for his selfish ends.
He deserves this and I hope it sticks to him hard. He does not deserve to make an "honest" living from lies and corrupt behavior. PERIOD.
What the fuck is happening to people nowadays that they will side with an obvious criminal? I don't give a shit if you like me or you any other "haterz" poster. I do give a shit when the very people who hate what I say, for example, will find reason to love Casey just to see somebody like me upset or proven wrong. THAT is more bizarre than some haterz who cyberstalk Casey and post it anonymously.
Face it, if you hate the people that are not doing anything wrong outside of keeping the heat on Casey, that's fine. Just stop pretending to HATE Casey then...you can't have it both ways.
Just an observation. All I ask is if you disagree with my assessment, try and DEBATE my points? PLEASE?
@Elizabeth,
That's actually very interesting. I had no idea that it worked that way.
So that means, if he has robots.txt, then no search for his blog will ever show up on google?
harold saxon:
The robots.txt file has to be set up to exclude specific search engines, I think. And I think there's also a way you can encode the file to stop all search engines from indexing pages. An example I found here explains a bit more (see below the end of this post). I'm not sure of the specifics of how it's done, and I'm too lazy (sorry) to read the whole FAQ, but I know that it's possible to essentially make your site invisible to online search engines. I'm wondering if this is the mechanism many blogging sites use for members who want to set up private blogs to keep the blogs from hitting the various search engines.
# /robots.txt file for http://webcrawler.com/
# mail webmaster@webcrawler.com for constructive criticism
User-agent: webcrawler
Disallow:
User-agent: lycra
Disallow: /
User-agent: *
Disallow: /tmp
Disallow: /logs
Fascinating stuff Elizabeth.
I don't pretend to know how these things work. But if what you say is true, it does alter my opinion of Loss Mittens request for relief in some respects, in as much as it is not completely Kafkaesque.
On the other hand, it doesn't really materially change that much. It is still prejudicing other parties, and it still potentially effects google and yahoo.
So bit of a curates egg, eh?
I will say, though, if Lost mittens has this degree of sophistication, he's skating incredibly close to the thin ice with this whole thing. Doubly so since he has arguably profited from Casey already.
Strange, isn't it? I don't know if LossMitPro has any real technical sophistication or not, but it's possible to know a little bit of how the web works, and to know that there are ways to order a webmaster to opt out of site indexing. I think both Google and Yahoo also have online opt-out forms that the non-savvy can use to avoid site indexing if they can't figure out how to use the robots.txt file. Ordering Casey to fill in a couple of forms like that isn't particularly difficult for a judge to order either.
But, Google and Yahoo aren't profiting at all from indexing Casey's site, so it has no real impact on their income. Google has already killed Casey's AdSense account, so no longer indexing IAFF won't have any real impact on it. I don't know if there are still Yahoo ads on Casey's site (I use AdBlock Plus)-- this could have some extremely minimal impact on Yahoo, but so minimal it's probably a mere microdrop in the massive revenue Yahoo brings in each month.
I'm still not sure of what I think of this case. At this point, I think it's probably overkill, and a bit frivolous. I think that LossMitPro's actions are over the top here and more than a bit disingenuous. He and Casey seem to deserve each other, IMHO. But I'll be curious to read more as things become public. IANAL, so my opinions are probably not even worth the bits they're encoded in ;-)
Dolph said...
Casey is NOT trying to help anybody but himself.
Was there ever any doubt about this? I think not.
I believe the "supporterz" think the "haterz" to be a bit obsessive with their Casey-hate. And maybe we are. But it became that way after we initially tried to offer constructive feedback. Perhaps this is their initial support of Casey as well? Give them time... they'll come around to see thing our way. They always do.
Yah, your points are well taken.
Though I'm not sure if you can say that google and yahoo have no interest in this. Both of them - google most especially - have tried to craft an image that depends solely upon a neutral point of view about the most popular websites. As such, court orders "blinding" it from popular sites does effect its reputation. (Now if a blogger voluntarily chooses that option it's obviously a different kettle of fish: though reasonable people could differ about that, I suppose. )
As to the case in general: I don't think it would have been filed had lost mittens not read that bit about marty and $400K.
And don't get me wrong, I think casey is a little shit.
My last comment was directed at Elizabeth. (In case of confusion).
>Though I'm not sure if you can say that google and yahoo have no interest in this. Both of them - google most especially - have tried to craft an image that depends solely upon a neutral point of view about the most popular websites. As such, court orders "blinding" it from popular sites does effect its reputation.<
There's been some dispute here also about whether Google would want to continue indexing Casey's site based upon his "paid links." Apparently, Google is very picky about what it considers to be legitimate use of page ranking/search engine optimization. Frankly, I wasn't too clear on what some thought Casey might be doing wrong, but I'm sure others know more about it than I do. So, Google has a number of strict policies about sites it chooses to index in order to protect its reputation. Yahoo's own policies are much more nebulous. I'd be interested to see if either Yahoo or Google would get wind of this and have a real opinion on this issue... (In addition to not being a lawyer, I'm not a search engine expert ;-))
>As to the case in general: I don't think it would have been filed had lost mittens not read that bit about marty and $400K.<
I completely agree.
And, yes, Casey is more than a little shit-- he's a big effing dump!
@Elizabeth (see I can learn if'n I want)
Granted. I heard the same chatter about fixing page ranks. But that's an internal google issue (Or between casey and google at most). It really has nothing to do with lost mittens or his case.
But if loss mittens manages to interject himself into the page ranking system simply because of an ex-parte motion in california, then it brings the whole ranking system into question inasmuch as google is no longer solely in control of the process of pages which wish to be publicly ranked on its (googles') search engine.
Arguably that is a material harm to their (googles') reputation. (Not being solely and neutrally in control).
@Harold
I'm sure this kind of thing goes on all the time-- imagine a big blogger gets divorced, and all income and assets are required to be split down the middle/sold. A judge could easily intervene, and, if a lot of revenue is produced by the blog, a temporary restraining order can be issued until the proceeds are split evenly or one of the parties complies with the court order. Some sort of similar order could be issued to what LossMitPro is seeking. I can't imagine this sort of thing is completely unprecedented, and the courts getting involved in interfering with Google or Yahoo's indexing hasn't occurred before. I'm guessing that little actual material damage would occur to either site's reputations as a result of such an order.
Part of me is tempted to e-mail Google and inform them of this, but my guess is that they'd just completely ignore it, since it has zero impact on their bottom line. I can't imagine that even a paid corporate attorney's time would be efficiently used for such a trivial matter.
I'm dying to see what happens though. I think there will be some great theater here over the next few days ;-)
@Elizabeth,
I understand putting some type of freeze on the assets in a divorce case, but I can't see why you'd want to destroy the value of the blog by making it go 'blind' to search engines.
@Harold
Well, LossMitPro has made it perfectly clear that he doesn't want Casey making any profit now from past fraudulent activities, so in that light it makes sense. I don't think he cares two whits for the blog itself. But he does care about it as a vehicle for enabling Casey to make money. Personally, I think that's more than a little fucked up, because Casey's blog traffic is apparently waaaaay down, as is his page ranking (and probably ad revenue as well) simply through his own stupid actions. Casey will tank soon on his own without any outside interference.
But it's LossMitPro's time and money, and if he wants to do this with it, he's entitled. I'll be curious to see if this has any impact on LMP's business. If I saw any of what's going on here as a potential client, I'd probably steer clear of him. But if I were looking for foreclosure advice, I'd steer far clear of Casey's site as well ;-) The lack (so far) of "sweet media" on this case probably means it will have no impact whatsoever on LMP's core business.
@Flyintheointment
You said
"whereas I was already completely offended by Caseys criminal actions, by the time Duane and Mark came on the scene."
"I immediately thought, who the hell are these guys that are ignoring the crimes of this little fuck and offering to help him out"
"Why the hell was this person willing to come on the scene and put $48,000-$78,000 per year into this criminal, fucktards pocket. "
Most all of my response is public record but it is tough digging out all posts and comments so I will give you a readers digest version.
I too was disgusted by the fraud. However, after speaking with Casey, I TRULY thought he had every intention of paying everyone back, making total restitution, and accepting responsibility. Given, that, and I needed some web development help, I thought I could hire him... (and here’s something that would have been exposed in DUane3.0 but we shelved it) and ALL his pay from me would go directly to the lenders.
If a person has screwed up and are willing to face the consequences of their actions, I have no problem helping. No problem at all. I asked him to contact his lenders, not to lie, and a few other things as a condition for my help. It only took me about 10 days to realize he was blowing smoke up my butt. So I left.
It’s that simple. Everyone wants to keep speculating about what my motives are... and when I tell them that it was just to help and show the punk how to do the right thing. it is "get off your high horse bud". But I will say again. My motives are in doing the right thing. Period. I had NO FINANCIAL incentive.. and I still don’t. Accept it or not.
I hope that helps.
LMP: In an unnecessarily condescending post says "Nothing I’ve done to date supports your contention, nothing!" while trying to claim he is not in this seeking attention. He lists four occasions where he stood on a soap box and yelled "DON'T LOOK AT ME! DON'T LOOK AT ME!" as proof for this.
I'm sorry Mark, but if I were to judge people solely by what they claim I'd still think KC was a loving family man who intends to pay back every dirty penny. I prefer to look at the totality of the evidence. The evidence is that you chose to insert yourself into the situation and you continue to jump into the spotlight. You post constantly, even on the fourth of July, you file crazy lawsuits, and you take every opportunity to be front and center.
You appear to be an intelligent man, so allow me to give you some advice. If you truly don't want the attention I suggest you go away. In a week or two your name will rarely, if ever, appear on EN or any other blog.
I suspect you do want attention and which means you won't do the one thing that will surely rid you of it. That's fine with me, I'm just here for the entertainment, and your actions provide that, even as it is makes you look foolish.
Kirk @ 5:35 AM:
”I suspect you do want attention... That's fine with me...”
Well if its so “fine” with you, why keep mentioning your faulty and misplaced contentions? Deal with your presumptions privately, lest others realize whose REALLY the attention whore.
~Mark
LMP: Deal with your presumptions privately, lest others realize whose REALLY the attention whore.
Now that's funny. Now I'm the attention whore huh? I have no doubt that you posted more to EN yesterday than I have in the several months since I started reading it. If I'm an attention whore you're the pimp.
That being said, there's no point in beating a dead horse. I know what you're in this for, you know it, and many other EN folks know it. You think this foolish lawsuit makes you a big man. It doesn't, but whatever. I'll refrain from posting again about the obvious. I do reserve the right to comment on the misguidedness of your lawsuit though, along with the resources it is wasting.
I thought I could hire him... (and here’s something that would have been exposed in DUane3.0 but we shelved it) and ALL his pay from me would go directly to the lenders.
I wish this had been revealed earlier. It sickened me that that undeserving twit was gonna make damn good money with his mediocre skillz. But that proviso is probably what made it so easy for Casey to walk away from such a "sweet" deal. He wasn't going to get dime one so why waste his time.
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