Duane LeGate said...Casey,
Yesterday you spoke to your "sweet wifey" G. Somehow, you failed to let her in on the big secret that you have your blog under contract. As I understand the deal is for less money than I offered over a years time. Now why would you except less unless it was the fact that my deal actually had you paying G, instead of keeping it yourself? You? Tell me NOOO…
Can I remind you of your many posts stating that you wanted to sell the blog and give her 100% of the proceeds to pay off all of the credit cards in her name that you ran up, (most of the time without her knowledge)? While I know in your eyes that was at least a week ago and how can anyone actually expect you to honor your agreements when so much time has passed… I expect it. Your sweet “wifey” expects it, and it is the right thing to do.
So all of the honesty posting you have done lately could be construed as a few things.
1) You are trying to get a settlement with a certain someone that precludes them or anyone (don’t know.. just sayin’) testifying against you with any legal authority.
2) Maybe you think that you can make nice with your “sweet wifey” so that she wont testify against you and all of your admitted (through your blog and tapes) fraudulent ways. This couldn’t be, you wouldn’t use her like that. You have always loved her and have always been there for her and PROBABLY NEVER LEFT HER AND CHEATED ON HER BEFORE (have you?)… whoever would suggest a thing is probably a fool. Are they? Casey? Surely not… Not YOU…
3) Maybe.. just maybe.. you wanted to hide this fact.. after all, YOU’RE IMPORTANT, and there is nothing more important than defending yourself first. After all, you’re Casey… and no one loves Casey like Casey does.. OPPS I mean like America does… I mean, you’ve done nothing wrong.. you meant well.. doesn’t that count for something? There are serious criminals like speeders and such that the law enforcement should worry about.. not some silly guy that got taken advantage of by evil mortgage companies.
4) Maybe you don’t want people to know why you had to cut the cast short the other night.. maybe you don’t want them to know that you don’t have all your files… (speculation only Casey… RIGHT)
5) Maybe you need the money to repay HAMMAR.. After all… you surely didn’t take an immediate cash advance of around 15K from a bank that sounds like WITY and you surely didn’t use an American express card for the balance for frivolous non-business expenses. Whoever is making up these vicious rumors should stop.. and stop now.
6) Maybe.. just maybe you don’t want people to know that you begged for money for an Australian flight 2 ½ days before publicly admitting so… spur of the moment? Of course.. money and opportunity just came to you…
7) Maybe you don’t want people to know that you are sleeping on a parents couch.. using a moms car… all the while playing BIG MONEY MAN…BIG DEAL MAKER… (MOMMY…HELP)
Maybe you don’t want your attorney to know that a certain someone… could be me… has a copy of EVERY file and EVRY RECEIPT you have.. err had… Kinkos ring a bell??? (Just got my shipment.. my shipment of ??? what are these papers??) You know I had all the Hud-1’s… now guess what I have… you got the condensed version… only one box casey>>> Only ONE???
So heres the deal… and its easy… fulfill your promise… do what you said… for once be honest… for once be a man…
And in return… I swear I will try my hardest… TRY MY HARDEST… not to get whatever these papers I have in the hands of D.W.C. or anyone else.
The only thing… I am worried about the haterz… you know how crazy they can be… what if they get whatever these papers are, including some kinda notes payable to you after something called a closing… they could actually point to fraud.. AND THERE AINT NO WAY YOU DID THAT… not you brother…
I worry for you…
BTW, you know my phone number… I would love to say HEY to your new power team of attorneys… especially the criminal defense one… WHAT HIS NAME??? Oh yea… BTW.. did you know that compelling people to go under contract to withhold illegal activity… is well illegal???
I sure hope I hear soon that you did the right thing by G’s debt that you ran up… sure hope I do… and one more thing… if your attorney likes to play ping pong… well its my favorite sport…
G’Day mate.
____
You tell 'em Duane!
132 comments:
Murst
First?
duane, what is your obsession in getting casey to pay for galina's debt? you want to be the white night in shiny armor? there are probably other people around you who need just as much help that are more deserving of help than galina, so why dont you help them instead? she's not so innocent. unless.....unless she's just that stupid!
OMG, an AMEX Corp Credit Card?
Duane, you are correct. That is an incredibly nasty rumor and whoever started it should stop immediately. I mean the haterz™ here would surely chase that down and cause LE to follow a dead end lead when their efforts are best used elsewhere.
Why accuse him of cheating - why stoop so low.
Dawg, I'm surprised that you let such people as this 'Duane' character perpetuate such rumors about America's Sweetest Flopper.
Also Dawg, thanks for the help earlier today. Appreciate it.
Well-well...
So somebody got his documents after all.
Thank you Lord, I'll sleep easier now.
(No, it wasn't REALLY keeping me up, but I bet it's been keeping SOMEONE awake!).
Duane...
Don't be cute. If this deal's really a scam to defraud the Toilet Scrubber, then throw the wrench into the gears and stop it cold.
Misprision, anyone?
And there's also Mr. Krowne to consider...is he aware of the "complications" that could arise from a needlessly byzantine purchase contract?
Sac RE,
I am an enigma aren't I? Scratch my ears and I thump my tail. Step on my roses and feel my teeth. Just a dumb simple dawg. You're welcome.
Just to refresh:
Registrant:
Krowne Concepts, Inc.
920 Highland Square Dr.
Atlanta, Georgia 30306
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: IAMFACINGFORECLOSURE.COM
Created on: 05-Sep-06
Expires on: 05-Sep-09
Last Updated on: 25-Jul-07
Administrative Contact:
Krowne, Aaron akrowne@vt.edu
Krowne Concepts, Inc.
920 Highland Square Dr.
Atlanta, Georgia 30306
United States
4044055766
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Funny the VTech addy.
Dawg barked: Funny the VTech addy.
Not so much. See Ch.c for details.
Sharky,
I apologize for not telegraphing this bit far in advance. I thought everyone would remember all the comments I dropped about eBaying the file cabinet and how Casey only wanted to get back together in order to clean out the file cabinet like he cleaned out the joint checking account. At least cleaning out a file cabinet of incriminating evidence can't leave her with a negative balance.
Dawg:
soem dood did his homework too.
Once a Hokie, always a Hokie.
(And it's pronounced VaJanYaTek, btw).
Oh yeah, turbine-man...38k shp, 8 stage, compounded HP and LP at 5.5k rpm blade speed.
And not the biggest I've worked, either.
Soem Dod,
I'd have thought he'd have set a formal dot com address as the dot edu may not be forever or worse may be forever and if things get sticky VT could find themselves involved. Yes, I am aware of his c.v.
Ah yes, the weekly story peak just before a fraudcast...will there be a showdown between Itsmecasey & the legend himself tomorrow night? Stay tuned!
rob dawg:
No worries about the dah-dit-dit-dah.
As some pointed out, the rest of the injured parties all have the originals too, but there was only one nexus where all the "skid-marked bokers" were piled in a heap.
And now there is (at least) TWO places.
When it's all laid out for a "junk on the bunk" inspection, the story would leap right out at one, yes?
Just when I didn't think you guys could be worse.
http://www.answers.com/topic/blackmail?cat=biz-fin
"Blackmail is the act of threatening to reveal information about a person unless the threatened party fulfills certain demands. This information is usually of an embarrassing or socially damaging nature."
Duane, you might be needing this guy soon:
http://www.lacriminaldefenseattorney.com/Extortion.html
Basically you are trying to force Casey to sell to you, or force monies into G's hands which makes you look like a hero in G's eyes.
People have done far worse for love and money, so you are hardly unique. Anyways just pointing out that you have clearly crossed a legal line here... and no, you're poor attempts at being "coy" are not going to be a defense.
Casey cheated on her?
Sharky,
5.5k? Jeez that'd make the your fillings buzz on the foredeck. I'd bet the thermorecovery was so good the coolant discharge was barely tepid.
Truth; my spec-e-ality was light weight and performance not robustness nor servicability.
Man, that actually hurt to read. Just from a literary device standpoint. It was like some kind of awful Creative Writing class experiment ("Can you write a letter using only sarcasm throughout the whole piece?") Ugh.
That being said, just dish the dirt already. If you wanted to protect G from information that Casey might have cheated, too late, you pretty much just said it. So, details? Who or what is DWC? (it might be something obvious, but I'm just so overwhelmed with cryptography, I'll never figure it out ;)
So it looks like Casey got over $20,000 for the blog. Good on his possibly mythical attorneys who will grow fat off it.
"See Ch.c for details"
I'd love to, but I don't feel like registering for an arcane forum circa 2002.
When it's all laid out for a "junk on the bunk" inspection, the story would leap right out at one, yes?
That is my understanding (educated guess). All along I've thought (purely guessed) that Casey thought his mentor gurus would rush to his rescue rather than have the guts of his dealz™ put on display.
Egad, I threw up a little after reading that. Duane, you are a little man who has some really bad karma coming. I wouldn't want to be standing next to you when the big one hits.
Rob:
"All along I've thought (purely guessed) that Casey thought his mentor gurus would rush to his rescue rather than have the guts of his dealz™ put on display."
I intimated as much with that "Fliptard in a Refrigerator Box in front of NRU's Sidewalk" Passive Income Opportunity comment.
Thermorecovery:
Input @ the throttle block: 850'F @ 900#
LP discharges at about 110'F, and the condenser usually pulls a 27" vacuum...all within a linear run of about 25 feet.
When they're spooling up is when it gets neat...hits different harmonics and some deck pates dance, some pole-mounted light fixtures shimmy.
Insanely well-balanced, and hope they stay that way...a gallon of water "slugging" through, and unbalanced LPs have a nasty habit of getting off their footings and abandoning ship...right through the side of the hull.(Not that it matters, because when the HP goes and the main steam is piping right into the engine spaces, you have an entirely more pressing set of problems).
Sorry for the double-clutch
So there is no confusion, I am happily married. 2nd, I have nothing to add that Casey hasnt already admitted... and 3rd... I will not EVER take the blog.. I made that clear before...
Csaey made a promise, before the world, and I expect him to keep it..
At 8:41 PM, blackie said...
"Basically you are trying to force Casey to sell to you, or force monies into G's hands which makes you look like a hero in G's eyes."
Sharky... they are in 2 places.. casey may count as a 3rd, but he only had bits...
Right Casey?
Double clutch? I went to the prom in a Packard ('29 626 Sedan) with straight cut gears and no mesh. No problem.
@Rob:
"I went to the prom in a Packard ('29 626 Sedan) with straight cut gears and no mesh."
Jebus, man...how old ARE you?
What were you doing...working on Confederate fighter jets engines?
@Duane:
That all said, Blackie DOES have an arguably valid point. Keep to the High Road...let Shitflake twist his bowels into knots trying to keep all his lies and dissemblin' ways in jibe.
Csaey made a promise, before the world, and I expect him to keep it..
His wedding vows, right?
I believe Mr Krowne became aware of G's 50% ownership tonight. Casey had apparently signed a document saying he was the sole owner.
LOL! My dad's hobby was restoration. At one time he had one of the 4 extant 1941 American Bantam "Hollywood" Convertibles.
So, why hasn't he taken down the myebid auction yet? It's still at $50,100 with 4 bids.
@Serinitis:
Itsallgoodsweetwin-win
@Rob
Sweet!
American Bantam...developed the Jeep, IIRC, and tested the prototype at Fort Holabird in deepest darkest Bawlmer,(amazingly, they weren't "jeep-jacked", or WWII would have turned out quite differently).
"Blackmail is the act of threatening to reveal information about a person unless the threatened party fulfills certain demands. This information is usually of an embarrassing or socially damaging nature."
I disagree...if that were true, alot of cops and FBI CIA agents would be guilty of blackmailing their informants and sources to obtain information, and everything would be thrown out.
Duane isn't blackmailing Casey, just like parents would not be blackmailing their bank robber son to "confess and turn yourself in or we will". Duane isn't blackmailing Casey to benefit himself, rather, he is attempting to MAKE Casey do the right thing, and things that he has promised.
Duane, ignore the moron that is blackie. He reads a definition of a term (the idiot actually had to look it up online to determine what it meant) and he thinks he is an expert on the RICO act.
Although some of the RICO predicate acts are extortion and blackmail, one of the most successful applications of the RICO laws has been the ability to indict or sanction individuals for their behavior and actions committed against witnesses and victims in alleged retaliation or retribution for cooperating with law enforcement or intelligence agencies.
The RICO laws can be alleged in cases where civil lawsuits or criminal charges are brought against individuals or corporations in retaliation for said individuals or corporations working with law enforcement, or against individuals or corporations who have sued or filed criminal charges against a defendant.
Anti-SLAPP (strategic lawsuit against public participation) laws can be applied in an attempt to curb alleged abuses of the legal system by individuals or corporations who utilize the courts as a weapon to retaliate against whistle blowers, victims, or to silence another's speech. RICO could be alleged if it can be shown that lawyers and/or their clients conspired and collaborated to concoct fictitious legal complaints solely in retribution and retaliation for themselves having been brought before the courts.
These laws also apply to victims of clergy abuse where statute of limitations has run out.
Hmmm, is Blackie guilty of number 2?
Duane,
Read your love letter to KC on my 'PDA thingy' on my way home from the airport.
Man, that was a pleasure to read!!
I love the way you continue to hold him accountable.
Keep up the good fight...
legion:
"I disagree...if that were true, alot of cops and FBI CIA agents would be guilty of blackmailing their informants and sources to obtain information, and everything would be thrown out"
Know many cops, bud?
They all develop their snitches, and keep 'em in line that way.
Violation of Parole, y'know?
Stating the obvious, Duane isn't FBI, CIA or a cop, so he should tread very firmly on the solid ground, and very lightly where it's not.
Sunlight is a wonderful disinfectant.
I imagine that the Sphinx LMP has been apprised of the latest developments.
This oughtta be good...
@sharky
That's what I meant. If it was so illegal then a lot of snitches would be crying "BLACKMAIL!!" I don't really see Duane being the bad guy here for wanting Casey to fess up to all his crimes and keep the promise to his wife. I think threatening lawsuits to keep him quiet in regards to making a criminal do the RIGHT thing is the real criminal act. See Rico. Besides, making a guy who obtained and used credit cards under his wife's name and then leaving her to pay for it, I think some people around here forget who the bad guy REALLY is.
Blackmail is the act of threatening to reveal information about a person unless the threatened party fulfills certain demands. This information is usually of an embarrassing or socially damaging nature
Besides, what's the crime in handing over evidence to the feds regarding all of Casey's illegal dealings? This is not embarassing information or a socially damaging nature..Casey has done that all by his lonesome with his blog.
Final haterzcast is coming next tuesday the 31st at 4:30 pm PST.
casey serin himself will be cohosting----we are going out with a bang.
@CHJTS
Do you mean the FINAL haterzcast or the "final" haterzcast?
Now that the beans are beginning to spill here, Casey may feel that he needs to keep blogging in order to defend his good name and reputation. (I laugh every time he mentions someone ruining his "reputation"...)
Re : Casey serin cohosting a haterzcast ???
Is there no shame here ? on ANY side ? How can the haterz share their show with him ? truly, Jerry Springer style thinking permeates everything now.
There are no sides to this are there ? - just publicity - Andy Warhol had it right - to paraphrase - everybody will whore anything for their 15 minutes of fame.
So the people involved in the haterzcasts move from antagonists to parasites all the way up to symbiosis.
-K
@legion
You are stupid, ignorant, pathetic, and have the reading comprehension of a second grader.
1. RICO is a federal law used to prosecute criminal organizations. I never suggested RICO would be employed, and even a cursory understanding of law would reveal that blackmail can be prosecuted at the state level, rendering RICO unneccesary overkill. God, what a fucking moron...
2. SLAPP has less then zero application here. There are no large organizations or wealthy individuals using lawsuits to discourage public participation. Do you even know what a lawsuit is?
3. Duane is not the CIA, FBI, police, judge, jury, family member, or even business partner. In short he has all the legal standing of your local bus driver when it comes to meddling in Casey's personal affairs.
Let's recap shall we?
Duane wanted casey's site, and offered him money for it, but he wanted Casey to do it his way. Casey refused. Now Duane is trying to force Casey to do things his way by threatening to release Casey's private and personal information to Casey's enemies. A threat that is made even more credible by the fact that Duane has released Casey's private emails to the public in the past.
Duane claims his motives are altrustic, but it really doesn't matter if they are or not. He's breaking the law. The only question is whether Casey has the guts to stand up for himself, and file charges with a district or state attorney, and follow up with civil action. Duane may be paying G's debts down yet if he keeps going like this.
A little point many of you seem to forget: no mater how guilty Casey may be in your eyes, he is still completely 100% innocent in the eyes of the law.
@Legion
and Duane LeGate
"Blackmail is the act of threatening to reveal information about a person unless the threatened party fulfills certain demands. This information is usually of an embarrassing or socially damaging nature."
I disagree...if that were true, alot of cops and FBI CIA agents would be guilty of blackmailing their informants and sources to obtain information, and everything would be thrown out.
Actually Blackie is right. Duane, I would double check these actions with a Criminal Attorney. People assume that a Law Enforcement has to tell the truth at all times. Nothing is further from the truth. There once was a piece of folklore that all a Criminal had to do is ask a person if they were a law enforcement agent when they were under cover, and they were obliged to tell the truth. This is pure B.S. Law enforcement is given wide latitude to pursue criminal activity. This is also why some of those activities require a judges signature.
Wiretapping: illegal for you and I, legal for law enforcement w/ warrant
Breaking into a Home: illegal for you and I, legal for law enforcement w/ search warrant, arrest warrant. Also legal for law enforcement if in immediate pursuit of felon, felon was seen entering premise by said officer.
Exchange of leniency in exchange for testimony: AKA blackmailing for you and I, legal for law enforcement, often requires Judges ok as well as prosecutors.
I could go on, this is just a sample. Duane LeGate, I would be careful how things are worded. Don't word things along the line: Do X or I'll reveal Y, or Do X or I'll turn Y info into authorities. Both of these clearly cross the line.
@Sharky
I imagine that the Sphinx LMP has been apprised of the latest developments.
This oughtta be good...
Yep.. should be interesting. I would like to see how things were settled on LossMitPro's action.
Either way, Fliptard™ defrauded Knowles if Fliptard™ made the claim that he was 100% owner when he wasn't. If the amount is over $5,000.. its a felony!! Now the other question would be.. does Knowles want to pursue Fliptard™ for this.
@Legion
Besides, making a guy who obtained and used credit cards under his wife's name and then leaving her to pay for it, I think some people around here forget who the bad guy REALLY is.
If this is true, Galina has a case for identity theft!.. amount over $5,000.. wheee (how many felonies can we rack up in a 3 strikes state!).
@Legion
Besides, what's the crime in handing over evidence to the feds regarding all of Casey's illegal dealings? This is not embarassing information or a socially damaging nature..Casey has done that all by his lonesome with his blog.
Nothing wrong with handing over the evidence.. the problem is threatening to hand over if certain actions are not performed on Casey's part.
Remember Sharky, there's always a bigger turbine somewhere that someone has worked on.
Why does Duane seem fixated on this shit? So he has Fliptard's files....so what. Galina has Fliptard's files.
I'm basically in the camp that says Galina deserves what she got since SHE picked CASEY. Anyhing Duane does to help decreases her learning opportunities from the mistake of picking Fliptard.
And life goes on.
I'm really suprised Aaron waded into this mess. I guess he figured IAFF would make a sweet bookend to ml-implode.
Duane - the promise keeper! Why are you still here? Like the attention?
VT could find themselves involved. Yes, I am aware of his c.v.
***************
I love acronyms, except when I do not know what they stand for!
VT??
CV??
curriculum Vita?
KC is not qualified to have a curriculum Vita.
wtf mates?
So THIS is walking away and taking the high road?
Unbelievable.
Congrats Duane, you are once again ringleader of a most ridiculous circus.
Duane, here is the applicable federal statute:
" Whoever, with intent to extort from any person any money or other thing of value, knowingly so deposits as aforesaid, any communication, for the purpose aforesaid, containing any threat to injure the property or reputation of the addressee or of another, or the reputation of a deceased person, or any threat to accuse the addressee or any other person of a crime, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."
No, this does not apply to the FBI. No, you are not the FBI. Cut it out.
Some of you just don't get it.
2 days ago Murse boi writes how he has seen the error of his ways. How he is going to do good.
All the while he is lying to the blog buyer and screwing his wife out of half of what little the shit could create, while leaving her with a ton a debt.
The little shit needs to be called on it.
But I will agree Duane is going about this wrong. Stop playing the nice guy Duane, as KC doesn't care. There is no honor among theives. You are starting to sound like Kofi Annan.
The little shit is not going to take the high road.
He has f*cked you over every single time if you have not been keeping score.
He understands there is no upside. It is too late. So might as well go completely to the dark side for what time is left, which is exactly what he is doing.
Time to take the paperwork and run it over to the DA with G and tell them to jail the little shit or else you will be going on Good Morning SF or some such and explaining how he turned you away.
Time for LMP to contact the new blog owner and explain why the contract is no good, along with Casey's lawyer who should know better.
Life in jail for 3 strikes.
Man that sounds great. Love to hear his legal team say: "In non techincal terms Mr Serin, you're f*cked.".
And Duane, tell Steve many of us have lost any compassion for his mom as she let that little shit back into the house. Would she have hung around if her husband screwed her over the way Snowflake has his wife?
Ms. Monkee,
Apologies. I suspect there's just a lot of closeted tech types here who got edjumacated at a lot of techs; MIT, WPI, RIT,RPI, Stevens, VT, etc. VT is Virginia Tech. C.V. is indeed resume but Aaron's not Fluffy's.
Duane, remember this:
Bullet Point
Duane LeGate was kind enough to make things crystal clear:
Just to clear up a few things. I am in no way any party to any legal proceedings going on. Casey asked me to buy the site. I said ok, then he wanted to sell to someone else. I said ok. THen he wanted to sell to me. I said ok. Then he wanted to sell to someone else. I said ok. Then he wanted to sell to me. I said ok, but it has to be done by noon Saturday,( I was tired of the wishy washy stuff). I waited until after noon EST, and noon PST. I emailed Casey and said I wouldnt buy it because my offer lapsed. Then Casey got mad and said I was presurring him. I will not buy Caseys site. Period.
It matters not what happens in any proceedings. I do not want Caseys site.
I am done with him. I hope this readers digest version helps.
Thanks.
Labels: Casey
posted by Rob Dawg @ 1:18 PM 127
you're not done with him are you? you are obssessed aren't you? like the attention? still mad that a little twit like casey played a big shot like you? losing more hair over casey aren't you?
Once money reaches escrow, a court order would be nice to freeze it there. After all, once a lawyer gets his hands on it and puts it in a "legal trustfund", it can disappear very quickly.
@blackie
hey, take some deep breaths there pahdner. I just wanted to see how easy it would be to troll your dumbass into an angry and long winded response. I guess we BOTH know the answer to that don't we?:-)
Duane’s pathetic.
Duane - you need to be extremely careful with your lastest exchange with Casey. You can't condition not sending the documents to the authorities on him giving you something.
18 U.S.C. 875(d):
"(d) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to injure the property or reputation of the addressee or of another or the reputation of a deceased person or any threat to accuse the addressee or any other person of a crime, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."
Do you really want to give Casey additional leverage?
@H Simpson
You are seriously delusional.
So in your scenario, the Unhinged Mortgage Professional Middle-Aged Man Action Squad springs into action!
Duane and G head over to the DA's office with the evidence. In the car, they share a moment of mutual respect and understanding.
Meanwhile, Mark (Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer) tracks down the new blog owner and squarely informs him "No deal, scum!"
Meanwhile, back at Capone's hideout, Casey Serin is picked up by the FBI for crimes against humanity, is charged under the three strikes law and imprisoned in the jail they held Magneto in from the X-Men movie.
I think if your Reality Distortion Field collided with Casey's you would unmake the universe. You lunatic.
@neil:
close but no cigar buddy.
The Hobbs Act defines "extortion" as "the obtaining of property from another, with his consent, induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right." 18 U.S.C. S 1951(b)(2).
sorry but you would have to prove he was trying to get money or some other property from flippy. Good luck with that.
SouthernBread,
Uh, how about the part where he demands that Casey turn over the rights to his blog (certainly a thing of value) as per their earlier agreement? Did you actually read Duane's email?Simply: turn the blog over to me (thing of value) or I will turn over incriminating papers.
Also, if you know you current law under the Hobbs Act, Duane doesn't have to be the one that even receives the property or even necessarily benefits from it - the property can pass to a third party.
So, by forcing the money to go to his estranged wife, Duane also has a probem. Simply: Turn the money over to your wife, or I will turn in the incriminating documents to the authorities.
This is clearly illegal. This is an illegal way to enforce a contract, or "punish" a breach.
The funniest thing Duane says is this:
"And in return… I swear I will try my hardest… TRY MY HARDEST… not to get whatever these papers I have in the hands of D.W.C. or anyone else."
Followed by:
"BTW.. did you know that compelling people to go under contract to withhold illegal activity… is well illegal??"
Does he realize that's EXACTLY what he's doing? "If you give me the blog and pay your wife I'll withhold illegal activity."
ummm...Duane doesn't want the blog. He wants Casey to give the money to G. He does hint that he can't believe Casey would accept less money than he would have if he had completed the deal with him.
Under the Hobbs Act, it doesn't matter that the money doesn't go to the extorter/blackmailer and a third party (Galina) instead.
And, what do you make of this statement?
"While I know in your eyes that was at least a week ago and how can anyone actually expect you to honor your agreements when so much time has passed… I expect it."
You can read that as Duane saying, "I expect you to honor your agreement to transfer me the blog."
If Casey's criminal defense attorney is awake at all, this is not good for Duane.
In whatever back and forth is going on with the FBI/AUSA, his attorney can say, "Look, how do you expect me to negotiate or deal with this while my client is being extorted/blackmailed?" He'll point to is as part of the pressure (rightly or wrongly) Casey is under.
Duane - how much are you looking forward to "playing ping-pong" with the FBI?
that's a vague statement, I hate to reference the "other" site but at CH.C Duane further clarifies that he made a promise to pay that money to Galina on the talkshoe in front of everyone. That's what he is referring to, from my perspective.
You should take a few minutes to read over United States v. Enmons, 410 U.S. 396, 400 (1973). In this, the last requirement for extortion "the wrongful part" must be defined. Obtaining of the property would itself be "wrongful" because the alleged extortion has no lawful claim to that property.
1) If you argue about the rights to the blog, it could be argued he does have rights to the blog because he had a verbal agreement by Casey to transfer the rights. It doesn't matter if he backed out, a verbal contract is still a contract. I know of about 400 people that have downloaded audio of Casey agreeing to the terms.
2) If I argue he is asking for the money to go to Galina. Then once again, I have to claim that in a joint-property state, Galina has as much rights to the money as he does and for him to deny her of that money, is to deny her martial rights and is illegal. Either way, it doesn't apply here.
@Neil,
why would Casey's criminal defense attorney care? His job is to keep Casey out of jail. I have copies of Casey's mortgage docs, his marriage docs, his deed, and other instruments. They are all public information and knowledge. A good criminal defense attorney will have a hard enough time with that information.
Plus, have you given any thought to the fact that this information that was given to Duane was given by someone who had the right to give it to him and the right to grant him permission to use it as he wishes?
every one here is a fuckin lawyer!?!?!?! LMFAO.....GET A LIFE YOU RETARDS!!!!!!
HA HA HA HA HA
GET OFF HIS NUTS
@casey's friend
I am not a lawyer. I did watch a lot of Matlock and Perry Mason back in high school.
@Neil
Duane's cleared it up, multiple times now. He doesn't want the Blog. There's no longer an agreement between them about the blog. There IS an agreement between LMP and Casey for (some) proceeds of the blog to go to G. That's the agreement he's refering to.
That said:
- Casey won't give any money to G, even under threat of further legal exposure. He expects the documents will find their way to LE no matter what.
- Given that, you should just hand over the documents to LE. Maybe you plan to anyway and you're just having a bit of fun. If you are actually aware of an investigation, and you are aware (and in possession of) evidence relavent to that investigation...well I'll avoid being a NAL and not conclude that I guess.
I expect the haterz would rather you just use the documents to stick it to Casey, rather than try to leverage them into relief for G. I appreciate what you're trying to do there, but since it isn't gonna happen I say just make the move to close this circus down.
entertained:
"I expect the haterz would rather you just use the documents to stick it to Casey, rather than try to leverage them into relief for G."
No...I'd expect and encourage Duane to do the right thing.
The fact that it sticks it up Fliptard's ass and breaks it off just happens to be one of those happy little coincidences that life drops on ya from time to time.
If it down to it, I don't see any impediment to Duane buying Toilet Scrubber's half of the domain.
Casey not paying isn't illegal in the sense you're describing - it's a civil breach of contract.
And the situation we're describing is exactly why Congress enacted the 18 U.S.C. 875 - because a threat to accuse of a crime is an illegal means of trying to enforce a contract.
The "wrongful" element is clearly what's defined by 18 U.S.C. 875 - it's wrongful because of the means taken to obtain the property. If you breach a contract, I don't have a legal right to threaten to reveal criminal information to enforce the contract.
The joint property defense is probably the best one - but I'm not sure if there's a clear answer. Casey is being forced to give up something of value (your good point - he can argue he's not asking him to "give up" anything if giving it to his wife will give him the same legal claim) under threat of revealing criminal information.
I can dig up the "third party extortion" cases if you want to read them.
I don't think the public status of the documents or the fact that he has the right to use as he wishes matters. The statute speaks as to HOW he can use the documents. Namely, he can't condition Casey losing somethign of value on a threat that he will reveal the information. The statute doesn't require that it be confidential or non-public information - it only requires that the actor "accuse" the victim of a crime. How is that not the case here?
It's extremely revelant to his criminal defense attorney. His job his to keep Casey out of jail - Duane is someone pushing very hard to put Casey in jail.
I'm sure the defense attorney, in whatever representations he's going to make to the FBI, is going to paint Casey as an idiot misled by selfish people around him. I doubt the FBI will give this much credence - however, now he can say, "Look - here's the people he was dealing with. This insane guy is still trying to blackmail him. Do you see the environment Casey was operating in?" This will probably be in some kind of negotiation with the Government for Pretrial Diversion or a deferred prosecution (which I don't think will go well).
Additionally, if the lawyer can get the FBI to make some sort of token effort to look into this, Duane will get counsel. This counsel will unquestionably advise Duane to shut up, as well as take the 5th in regards to any attempts by the FBI to interview him, now that he would possible be under investigation.
He can silence one of the loudest voices pushing for Casey's prosecution, as well as remove and important source of information to the FBI (as Duane's counsel now advises him to not talk to the Government.)
Neil says; a threat to accuse of a crime is an illegal means of trying to enforce a contract.
Ummmm isn't there a "falsely accuse" in there? Let's keep perspective here. Casey is a multiple serial habitual self admitted criminal. Theoretically: "I say here and now that if Casey doesn't live up to his obligations those crimes will be reported. There, I just comitted extortion. I am trying to enforce the contracts Casey signed. I am doing so by accusing Casey of criminal acts." Hypothetically would you like to be the prosecutor here having to explain how the DAs is going for an extortion conviction on a citizen who expressed anger that the same prosecution team has been ignoring for close to a year the activities of the supposed agrieved party? And their star witness? Young 'tard himself. I'd love it for the cross examination alone. "You felt threatened?" "More or less threatened than other threats? Cashcall? Family? Hard money lenders? " "Really. So less threatened than the NRU people? What were their names again and what was the nature of your business that resulted in this lesser threats?"
See?
How dumb is Duane? Everyone here knows that Casey will NEVER do the right thing and with all options lined up in front of him, he will choose the worst possible option available EVERY TIME. Duane has dealt with Casey more than any of us, but Duane's learning curve is the slowest.
Don't bother trying to negotiate with Casey. Just turn him in. I can't even believe you'd consider not turning him in if you have the incriminating paperwork!
Duane further exposes his and Mark's nonsense with his latest "coy" note. From his letter we can assume:
1) Mark Villasenor utilized Villasenor's Law™ in the contract thereby making it unenforceable. Casey would not be able to take money from the domain based on Mark's claims about his "settlement". Just more BS.
2) Duane continues to stoop lower by exposing himself to more inappropriate conduct.
THey both look silly and continue to ruin their reputations. Two highschool grads that never left highschool.
P.S. I think Casey's conduct is disgusting but at least he has exposed two people not to do business with.
@Rob Dawg
Ummmm isn't there a "falsely accuse" in there?
Nope 18 USC 875
Rob Dawg,
No, "falsely" accusing isn't an element of the crime. The idea is that we want people to turn over incriminating information, but we don't want people to be able to bought off to not disclose it.
Ironically, because of the use of the Hobbs act in a lot of the Mafia prosecutions in the 70's and 80's, the "fear" element is contrued very liberally. You just have to show that you wouldn't have paid unless they made the illegal threats.
First, Casey wouldn't testify because he would take the 5th in this "theoretical" trial against Duane, and the Government certainly wouldn't give him immunity. So no star witness.
But the answer to Cashcall, NRU, etc - Casey can pretty easily say the threat of being sued civilly by cashcall is a lot less scary (he is broke, after all) than Duane threatening to turn over incriminating documents.
But you're missing the real point - Casey's lawyer can kick and scream (somewhat rightly so) at this outrageous conduct by Duane. It's not that Duane will be convicted, but if they follow up at all on this, Duane will pretty much be required to clam up and end any participation in this case, as a witness or otherwise.
Why give Casey this tool to attack with? Very stupid move.
@Rob Dawg
Hypothetically would you like to be the prosecutor here having to explain how the DAs is going for an extortion conviction on a citizen who expressed anger that the same prosecution team has been ignoring for close to a year the activities of the supposed agrieved party? And their star witness? Young 'tard himself.
Remember this one on the border patrol? That should answer your statement...
Rob Dawg,
If this is a federal case, you're way overestimating how much the Government gives a shit about "citizen who expressed anger that the same prosecution team has been ignoring for close to a year."
I'm sure they view Casey's case as a nusiance they had to take because of the publicity. They don't care about Duane - they don't have a gold star they're waiting to give him at the end of all this.
Also, a year really isn't a long time for this kind of thing, by the way.
BJ,
Gosh, I think just about every business disagreement ever uttered or written just became extortion. Come to think of it, just about every business agreement ever uttered or written just became extortion.
"I will sell you my widget, you will pay me for the widget. If you don't there will be civil and possibly criminal consequences."
... Oh sorry... A pair of ruby throated hummingbirds were about 6 feet away just outside the flap to the dawg shed on the jasmine vine and pomegranite bush.
Okay, back. We are dealing with a bad actor in Casey here. You want to find error in Duane's recent comments? I'd ask for a jury of mothers. They'd find him guilty of not slapping Casey upside his thick skull earlier.
Sheeech
Word comes out yesterday that Judge Judy is the 2nd highest paid TV personality at $40,000,000 and suddenly every jamoke is standing on an electronic streetcorner babbling legalise thinking they can get a slice of that pie....
Get life. And if you can't, well, at least you can wash my dog. ;>)
Wow. I remember a case like this a few years ago where the letter writer and his attorney were sentenced to actual prison time for extortion, and this looks awfully similar. It was ironic because they, like Duane, expected the letter recipient to be doing the prison time.
So, Duane, maybe you need an interventionist team to come in before your Casey/Galina obsession brings harm to you.
Please post reference/case.
all youz loosers just mind your own businss..
I appreciate it, but the sale has already gone through. If there are
any problems, they are contractually isolated on Casey's side, unless someone
has a specific legal challenge that concerns me. - quote of Mr Krowne
It looks like Casey already has the money from the sale
Yup Duane's a fucking moron. Trying to blackmail fliptard what an asshole. I understand that KC is a dick head running up his wifes credit cards and such but that kind of shit happens all of the time. 9 out of 10 times divorces become financial ruin for couples. Not to mention her credit cards are the least of her worries. Taxes are the bigger issue.
BTW what happened to Mark? I thought he was a legal genius and was going to get flipperhead thrown in jail. Was he just blowing smoke or is he still in the picture?
@Rob Dawg
"I will sell you my widget, you will pay me for the widget. If you don't there will be civil and possibly criminal consequences."
Civil yes, criminal no. That is where the distinction is. The distinction is also how the party making the claim/threat is related to the 'injury' and party injured.
* If I say "pay my medical bills from your assault or I'll go to the cops and report you", that is actually on the wrong side of the line. Assault is a crime (generally misdemeanor). Because it is generally a misdemeanor, doing the above will generally be overlooked.
* If you are a third party stating that you will go to the cops should the assaulter not pay the medical bills, that is further over the line and may be looked at.
* If the situation is murder, ie: I know you murdered 'X' and unless you support 'X's children until they are all grown up.. that is way over the line. Murder = felony.
* If you have a situation where you tell someone; "I know you are planning murder, if you don't stop I'll tell the cops." This is largely ok (crime has not yet been committed).. but you can leave yourself open to accessory charges and civil suits if the individual goes through with it and you had knowledge beforehand that was not given to authorities.
Effectively on Criminal statutes, it is the law that is consider to have been 'wronged'.
Civil suit behavior is different. "If you don't complete X, I'll sue you.." is completely ok. You would be the wronged party on the failure to complete a contract. If you say "If you don't complete X, I'll reveal criminal activity that I know you did".. that is way over the line. You are effectively stating that if a person does not settle a civil matter, you will reveal a criminal issue. Two different wronged parties. You are the civilly wronged party, but the law was the criminally wronged party. You can't negotiate for harms done to the law.
Hope this clears it up a bit.. (party of the first part, third part and all).
Okay, back. We are dealing with a bad actor in Casey here. You want to find error in Duane's recent comments? I'd ask for a jury of mothers.
Doesn't work that way. Both the prosecution and defense down-select jurors..
Duane,
I think you should just give copies of everything to all concerned agencies. Casey will just renege again. This way you haven't blackmailed him as some here believe(I don't believe it but some do it seems).
Just bring him some justice.
Given LMP's penchant for verbal assault, I suspect the less we hear from him, the more Casey needs to worry.
Well I'm still waiting for him to sue me for giving KC 50 bucks. Actually the only reason I gave him the 50 was because of Mark's threats to sue anyone who did so.
I think LMP went away because he was full of shit as some here thought.
@serinitis
Wondering where you got that quote? Link? It would be interesting to see LMP vs. Krowne Concepts, Inc. to fight it out over Serin's url. This could just be heating up.
Casey so doesn't own IAFF alone and/or in whole that anyone who thinks they bought it is welcome to my US citizen/taxpayer share of the Brooklyn Bridge at the full 100% ownership retail price.
@rob dawg
So, you are saying there is going to be a dust up?
"I will sell you my widget, you will pay me for the widget. If you don't there will be civil and possibly criminal consequences."
That's exactly it - you're not allowed to threaten criminal consequences. In fact, it's also a disciplinary rule (they could be disbarred) for attorneys in most states to mention criminal proceedings in a way that could be construed as blackmail to obtain a settlement.
Also, keep this in mind: if, for whatever reason, the case goes to trial and the Government calls Duane as a witness, the job of Casey's attorney will be to attack Duane's credbility. Good trial lawyers excel at this.
His attorney will paint Duane as someone with a reason to lie because he has a personal grudge against Casey. He'll say he's a bitter ex-business partner who is deranged and romatically obsessed with Casey's wife ("He even wrote this bizzare email blackmailing Casey"). If he's good at doing that, what would your jury of mothers think? I'm not saying this is true, but why give them the ammunition?
You guys need to be a lot smarter and stop making emotional decisions. Duane sending that email gains virtually nothing and raises a host of issues that could help Casey. Why take the chance, Rob?
@Rob Dawg
Casey so doesn't own IAFF alone and/or in whole that anyone who thinks they bought it is welcome to my US citizen/taxpayer share of the Brooklyn Bridge at the full 100% ownership retail price.
Galina needs to develop the LossMitPro "Go for the throat" attitude when dealing with Fliptard™. He will keep walking over Galina any way he can until he gets nailed to the wall by her. Fliptard™ feels he can walk all over Galina because he has done it so many times in the past.
I don't know how Knowles will handle the Fliptard™ fraud.. should be interesting.
BJ,
I'm unfamiliar with how individual state statutes operate, but 18 U.S.C. 875(d) is a felony, regardless of the classification of the underlying crime you threaten to expose.
I just want to clarify - I think Casey is self-delusion to an almost unbelievable degree and toxic to everyone around him.
But I hate to see you guys shoot yourself in the foot with insane emails like that.
"Come to think of it, just about every business agreement ever uttered or written just became extortion."
No, they're not because they don't threaten criminal action to make someone part with money.
Isn't that like when Casey said, "Oh, everyone overstates their income, right?" You were one of the first to lambast him for trying to make a "grey area" where things are "shady". Why are you doing exactly what you criticized Casey for here? There isn't a grey area with what Duane did. Why not just say that Duane shouldn't have written the email?
It's pretty hard for you to continue taking the moral high ground if you don't (it's ok for someone to break the law because they're on your "side").
@Neil
I thought 18 USC 875(d) is a wobbler. I would have to double check. Being a wobbler would allow a prosecutor to try weaker cases.
Either way, the nature of 18 USC 875(d) is the reason I was mentioning that Duane needs to be very careful. If there was a settlement with LossMitPro that had Galina as part owner, Fliptard™`s selling of the domain w/o her being co-signer on the sale is fraud.. plain and simple. It doesn't matter about the money transfer.. if she gets paid etc. If she doesn't get paid for it.. it is also theft. Duane needs to go no further than this in his statements.
What really needs to happen, is that the other part owner of the domain needs to contact Knowles with a copy of the settlement and statement to the fact that the transfer was fraudulent.
@old
The quote was from an email he sent me. When word of his purchase first came out, I emailed him inviting him to join our merry band. I have exchanged a couple of emails with him, primarily letting him know about people that might have a claim on IAFF.
I think Duane needs to stop trying to 'reform' Casey (by using threats etc). Casey needs to see/feel the consequences of his actions.. now. Casey has had umpteen times to take the right path, time for him to find out what the wrong path really feels like w/o people protecting him.
You notice that Casey only really fears LossMitPro. Anytime both are on, Casey is fairly quiet (remember that talkcast?). LossMitPro is the only one that made Casey feel some of the consequences of his actions. Casey is now trying to 'test the boundaries' again.
For Casey, the feeling of fear, is the thing that most closely resembles respect.
Oh yeah.. gotta add before anyone else... (on a lighter note)
For Casey, the feeling of fear, is the thing that most closely resembles respect.
Fear the Murse!!
...
Maybe Galina needs to get active and make it change to:
Fear the Purse!
That's exactly it - you're not allowed to threaten criminal consequences.
What about "point out possible criminal consequences?" And how do you distinguish?
@Rob Dawg
If you are pointing out the possible criminal consequences of not depositing money in someones account, it would be blackmail. If you are pointing out the criminal consequences of a criminal action it is not blackmail.
@serinitis
@old
The quote was from an email he sent me.
Thanks for that.
I wonder if there will be a dust up. From the quote, and events, Serin sold the domain to Mr. Krowne after the previous sale to LMP.
If Serin were smart, perhaps, he would sell the 'I' and 'am' and 'facing' and 'foreclosure' and the .com to separate parties.
So, dust up between LMP and Mr. Krowne for the url?
I don't expect a dust up. I believe LMP got the rights to control the sale, but not the rights to the blog itself. If this is the case, LMP would have a hard time getting damages from Mr Krowne. LMP may be able to sue Casey for going around the contract.
A dustup between G and Mr Krowne would be more likely to me. She owns 1/2 of IAFF and may be able to insist on controlling her 1/2 regardless of what Casey does with his 1/2.
"What about "point out possible criminal consequences?" And how do you distinguish?"
I don't know where exactly the line is - I'm not familiar enough with the caselaw.
However, I don't think that's at issue here. Duane explicitly says he has incriminating documents which he will withold from giving to the authorities only if Casey parts with some money. That seems to fall pretty clearly in the statute.
Even if it's a borderline situation, that's enough for his lawyer to use it to his advantage.
To try and be more succinct: Duane doesn't want to be in the position where he has to make the argument that what he did wasn't criminal (even if he suceeds in the end).
If he's in the position where he has to justify his conduct, it works to Casey's advantage.
By the way on the blackmail question, Duane has backed off from his demands of action or else. He is posting his info on CH.C.
Duane,
Ten days ago you addressed the readers of EN. Somehow, you failed to let us in on the big secret that you are obsessed with Casey Serin and will never let the subject go. As I understand you were, even at the time of that writing, getting yourself even more involved and at that moment were in the process of obtaining documents from G. Now why would you write that you were "done with [Casey]" and that you "do not want Caseys [sic] site" if you were even at that moment plotting ways to blackmail him to obtain the site?
Can I remind you of your post stating that you did not want to buy the blog and would give up 100% of any involvement with Casey Serin? While I know in your eyes that was at least a week ago and how can anyone actually expect you to honor your agreements when so much time has passed.... ENers expect it (especially from somebody who is always so gung-ho about sticking to his word). Casey expects it, and it is the right thing to do.
So all of the posting you have done lately could be construed as a few things.
1) You are trying to steal Galina from Casey.
2) You think that you can make nice with Casey and try to finesse the deal and get back to the arrangements you had made but thereafter renounced. After all, flip-flopping twice just goes to show that you're man enough to stick to your original agreement, right? Oh, but wait, that was merely an offer that Casey could accept, and not an obligation on his part to sell to you (you "said ok" to his selling to somebody else, right?). Oh well.
3) You are trying to steal Casey from Galina and force him into indentured servitude, because God knows you seem to love ordering him around and telling him what to do.
4) You don't want other people to know about your obsession with Casey.
5), 6), 7) Sorry.... I guess 4 will have to suffice.
So heres [sic] the deal... and its [sic] easy... fulfill your promise... do what you said... for once be honest... for once be a man...
And in return... I swear I will try my hardest... TRY MY HARDEST... not to report this public threat of blackmail to the proper authorities. I don't know how hard I can try... though. After all... if I try TOO hard... you... might not get reported... and that would be legally... irresponsible of... me and maybe even make me... culpable.
Auf Wiedersehen, au revoir, ciao, &c.,
Gaming the Credit System
Serinitis (I think you're the one in Sac) - are you going to the Capital Garage tonight for the talkcast?
btw, the talkcast does not appear to be scheduled. Not sure if that's meaningful, I think you can just set them up when you're ready to do them.... but I thought it was interesting nonetheless.
I'm 99% sure he will do the talkcast, because I don't think he can live without the attention.
Gaming,
I am considering to saving you the trouble by deleting your post myself. Can you please email me with your true identity so I am not forced to do this thing? I have never revealed a confidence so you have little danger of being exposed. Silence is affirmation.
I am in Sac and could go to the Fraudcast if someone wanted me to. Right now I have very mixed feelings about hanging out with Casey so unless there is some task that someone wants done, I may not be there
@Rob Dawg
What about "point out possible criminal consequences?" And how do you distinguish?
This only works if the crime has not yet been committed. If you don't follow through with your 'warning', you can become accessory before the fact.
@serinitis
If you are pointing out the possible criminal consequences of not depositing money in someones account, it would be blackmail. If you are pointing out the criminal consequences of a criminal action it is not blackmail.
Not quite correct. If he was supposed to deposit the money in the account as part of a settlement, then warning of the criminal consequences is legal. Just remember that it needs to be followed through. There is a stickier problem though. It may not of been legal for him to receive the money in the first place and act as sole owner. In this case, stating that the money has to be deposited in the account would be closer to blackmail. In that case, best way to handle it would be to void the transfer. Original purchaser has to go after Casey to recoup the money (plenty of warning that he didn't have the right to execute the transfer). This last step will actually cause criminal fraud charges to be brought (If Krowne pursues). Trying to do it any other way can weaken your case.
@serinitis
LMP would have a hard time getting damages from Mr Krowne.
He doesn't have to. In this case the transfer is void, LMP can legally yank it out of Krowne's hands. Krowne would have to pursue Casey to get the money back (ie: file charges).
Example. Person B steals property from person A. Person C buys property from person B. If the stolen property is discovered, it si returned to A. Person C has to pursue person B to get their money back. Moral of the story, don't buy stolen property.
A dustup between G and Mr Krowne would be more likely to me. She owns 1/2 of IAFF and may be able to insist on controlling her 1/2 regardless of what Casey does with his 1/2.
Not really. Casey claimed to have rights to sell 100%, when he only had the ability to sell 50% subject to approval. Fraudulent mis-representation of ownership to Krowne.
Re: citing a case, I can't find the one I'm thinking of, but a Google search turns up plenty of examples, including this one:
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/flat090304.htm
Basically, it's asking for money NOT to expose someone's alleged misdeeds to others, whether those others are authorities or otherwise.
I agree that Casey may face serious consequences for what he's done--that doesn't justify someone committing more crimes to make Casey "do the right thing."
I just had my own case where opposing counsel called me to make such an extortion threat, then called back an hour later sweating bullets to "clarify" that she was not doing just that.
@BJ
Anything is possible. I believe Mr Krowne is a difficult target for LMP. For one he is not (to my knowledge) as dumb as Casey. LMP could challenge Mr Krowne over the sale. but to do this, he would have to prove he has control and Casey is currently denying that he has a valid contract with LMP. I have not seen the contract, but I suspect it is easily challengeable.
The Fraudulent representation is why I say there could be a good chance of dustup between G and Mr Krowne. If this comes up Mr Krowne has perfectly good civil and criminal cases against Casey.
@serinitis
LMP posted a statement that said Serin did not have the right to sell IAAF.com. as I recall. Will that hold up? Who the fuck knows what will or not hold up in this drama, I guess it depends on how far the principals are willing to push.
(will take a look for LMP statement)
"Example. Person B steals property from person A. Person C buys property from person B. If the stolen property is discovered, it si returned to A. Person C has to pursue person B to get their money back. Moral of the story, don't buy stolen property."
That's not correct.
In some jurisdictions (I believe NY), if you buy the property in good faith, you're the rightful owner. A doesn't get his property back and has to pursue a seperate action against B.
If I remember correctly - this comes up in a lot of art theft cases.
"If you are pointing out the possible criminal consequences of not depositing money in someones account, it would be blackmail. If you are pointing out the criminal consequences of a criminal action it is not blackmail."
It becomes blackmail when your threat to expose their crime hinges on whether they do (or don't) something they have a legal right not to do (or do).
Let's say you make the threat - "Pay my mother $100 or I will hand over the evidence that you embezzled from Company", but it never reaches the person, or they never pay.
What is it? Attempted blackmail. Also a crime under the federal statute.
The Register (home of the BOFH), seems to gave coined a new word just for our kc's ongoing drama. Tardisode.
@old
I have no idea what will hold up. IF LMP's contract is as tight as the reasoning he has used when posting, it probably will not hold up. But someone will need to take the time and effort to challenge it.
Ok, can't find the statement, I know lmp posted it on IAAF.com, and it was redacted, and lmp posted the statement at exurban nation as well. The statement was a warning to anyone who wanted to buy IAFF.com. Ringing any bells?
@old
I am also not certain if Casey cares what happens to IAFF. He has his money and dollars to donuts it is in a coffee can somewhere.
Hey Kidz,
It's Friday and time to play 6 Degrees of Casey Serin to The Cat in the Hat! Woohoo! Win-Win! Sweet passive fun with Dr. Suess!
@serinitis
I think I see what you are saying. LMP made alot of noise, and I want to see him follow through. If Serin signed a contract with LMP and part of that contract was IAFF.com, then I want to see LMP back it up. Perhaps he is doing this now. What a cock-up!
Rob Dawg,
Writing the email now.
GCS
@serinitis
Anything is possible. I believe Mr Krowne is a difficult target for LMP. For one he is not (to my knowledge) as dumb as Casey. LMP could challenge Mr Krowne over the sale. but to do this, he would have to prove he has control and Casey is currently denying that he has a valid contract with LMP.
..and Casey has continually and unilaterally rewritten other contracts he has signed as well. Casey's credibility is nil here. I suspect that LMP knows how to write a contract.. so, depending upon the previous 'Lawyer' issue as well as community property law, Mr Krowne may have some worries.
The Fraudulent representation is why I say there could be a good chance of dustup between G and Mr Krowne. If this comes up Mr Krowne has perfectly good civil and criminal cases against Casey.
The dustup wouldn't be between G and Mr Krowne.. it would be between Casey and Mr Krowne. It does all depend upon what is in that document.
In some jurisdictions (I believe NY), if you buy the property in good faith, you're the rightful owner. A doesn't get his property back and has to pursue a seperate action against B.
If I remember correctly - this comes up in a lot of art theft cases.
Incorrect. There is a lot of art that is currently being reassigned to original owners. Art that was originally stolen by Nazis.
There is also an issue of the 'buyer in good faith' profiting from a crime in the purchase (unusual discount, availability of a rare item...).
Please name jurisdiction/code section.
@Old
The statement was a warning to anyone who wanted to buy IAFF.com. Ringing any bells?
Yes, follows 'public notice'. He did it on both forums. This means that Mr Krowne loses on 'notification'. It would be reasonable to expect that Mr Krowne would inspect the item he was considering buying.. and see the notice. If Casey took down the notice prior.. helps with intent.
I went looking for the EN post.. damn if I can't find it. Was the change in disposition of IAFF a result of the second meeting between Casey's attorney and LMP?
I am way behind on this whole drama. Just one question: is Aaron from lenderimplode buying (or bought) IAFF? thanks
Yes, post to discuss the 'cast is up top.
Really, Duane, you should learn how to write, and learn how to spell before that. And learn something at your bible thumping sunday school class about breaking up a sacred union. You are a force for evil, despite convincing yourself of you snow white intentions -- you don't fool me. I can see why your wife dumped you. There is nothing worse than a self righteous prick. Is it any wonder that a heart attack was the best thing that ever happened to you? Have a nice day.
Great thread, guys.
I am a bit embarrassed to say, I think I have had my first man-crush --- i <3 neil! [chuckle]
I've never really understood why nobody just printed the entire saga out, produced an executive summary and gave it to the Sacramento/Modesto DA..
At the very least, he's good for a fraud conviction..
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