Housing Bubble, credit bubble, public planning, land use, zoning and transportation in the exurban environment. Specific criticism of smart growth, neotradtional, forms based, new urbanism and other top down planner schemes to increase urban extent and density. Ventura County, California specific examples.
Monday, July 09, 2007
May I Serve You Sir?
This will likely be the only Casey post of the day. Kvetch here and leave the other threads topical. [N.B. The timestamp has been hacked to reflect a later publish dat to keep this post at the top of the stack.]
You leave one 'wrapper' per day as a starter for all ongoing Caseychat, so the other threads can go back to pre-Casey topics, with no MurseBoi content?
Not making any comment or judgment about that tack, just trying to be sure I properly understand the intent, so I can comply.
I have been lax in enforcing topicality. My fault and I was just giving clarification. Of course anyone can post damn near anything they want anwhere they want but it isn't the best use of effort.
The one wrapper bit is just because today will likely be very quiet and there's no need to make the twice a day lurkers scroll through a half dozen threads.
Just management techniques, no policy changes are expected.
While this thread is fresh, I just want to give a huge and public THANK YOU for trying to be the ringmaster for this circus so far. It is clear a *lot* of folks are fraying at the edges, and I just want to say my earlier comments today in response to Duane were pretty harsh. As I have stated earlier on multiple occasions, I think he is a gentleman and a forthright individual.
I'm sorry there seems to be some elbowing around (this happens even to the best of friends and/or family on an extended road trip, you know. Tempers get short. People get annoyed. It passes.) but the focus we all have in common, I think, is that Casey is off t5he rails, and his exploits probably need to cost him, but for GAWDSAKES, he can't be allowed to gain and then continue his methods with impunity! If so, there is no justice.
Anyway, thanks again, and let's please not let some understandable road-weary crankiness throw us all into complete melt down.
I hope Casey and Galinas marraige can be salvaged. The airing of dirty laundry was pretty detrimental to that. But not as bad as Caseys actions. I am glad Duane will be keeping quiet about some of these things.
Snowflake has a new real estate supporterz. westchesternyforsalebyowner left him an encouraging comment.
Here the website for this guy. Also check out his BRAND NEW blog. He seems to have the same kind of mad IT skillz[tm] that KC has. Times must be REALLY difficult for realtors...
Immagine having me standing in front of your house 24 hours a day talking about how great your home is to everyone who passes by! Thats exactly what "Talking House" is. I will set you up with your own radio transmitter that will broadcast a pre-recorded message about your home for all who drive by to listen to on their car radio. Sounds grea doesn't it? Of course it does!
If I was a neighbor and he was messing with my radio reception I would kick his ass. Would be interesting to know what the FCC thinks about that method.
It's really deceptive advertisement here to say everybody passing by will hear it. I am sure you have to dial into a certain frequency to actually listen to the crap show and the range can't be more then a dozen feet, if even that.
But hey, he doesn't call his approach THE GUERRILLA MARKETING APPROACH for nothing. He just also markets the sellers guerrilla style :-)
Low power AM transmitter, has a range of perhaps 100 feet at most. Perfectly legal with FCC. Sign tells you to tune to a frequency, typically an unused one in that area. No problems there, except of course it presumes buyers are out driving around eagerly looking for places to buy, which is not the case right now.
I think we all are fraying. It's been an emotional weekend. While I may not post as often as I used to, I do plan to keep posting observations. I just won't waste time debating people who have made up their minds.
Too much to do, too little time to do it I guess (for me that is).
Leonard, Dolph, They must have some sort of authorization then. There where multiple instance where the FCC stopped the sale of certain "iPod" transmitters for cars that where too powerful and leaked the signal way outside the car....
And, yes, Rob, although uncommented on at the time, your pic nuances were noted and appreciated when I originally heard of the suit.
While I happen to think it is a harmless quirk, it is at least a little interesting that the behavior (and need to have it noticed) is in line with some complaints of the 'we are in the know/ you are out/ we will control the information flow' point of view.
In other words, we are who we are, and the very traits that may well endear us to some, can drive people crazy if taken in more than small doses over a long period of time.
I am sure I have my own peccadilloes, too...
Not trying to start a flame war or troll, just trying to add a little honest observational input, since you requested.
Leonard, Dolph, They must have some sort of authorization then. There where multiple instance where the FCC stopped the sale of certain "iPod" transmitters for cars that where too powerful and leaked the signal way outside the car....
Those were special cases. People have had legal unlicensed low power FM transmitters for their trunk CD players for over ten years and they've been interfering with each other for almost as long. With low power unlicensed transmitters, you have to accept some interference.
Now what I think is stupid... what dope would want to hear a recording babbling about the house on their AM radio when they could just read the same information on the flyer?
Crossposted to the forums -- here's the first verse of a Gilbert and Sullivan "Modern Major General" parody I've been working on:
I am the very model of an unrepentant criminal I steal from banks subversively through strategies subliminal My mortgage apps were finalized with multiple mendacities By my declaring income streams of dubious veracities The properties I purchased were appraised for more than actual With fabricated values altogether counterfactual Affording me a way of life approximating royalty While scamming all my family and those who'd shown me loyalty
When pressed about my thievery, I'm largely sanctimonious Admitting all the while that my actions were felonious And since I robbed a bunch of banks with strategies subliminal I am the very model of an unrepentant criminal!
No comments about either the thread title or picture?
No comments on the upheaval of the last few days?
IMHO, caseyhaterz.com will be good for EN: it will lighten the heavy load of unfocused Casey discussion here, particularly in non-Casey posts. EN can continue its exurban topics and can still act as the newspaper of record for Casey news and reveals;
What say you, Rob? What is EN's role now that forums are up and active?
And what's happening now that both Mark and Duane have fallen silent? Are the sources also dried up? R-Boy suggests that the inner circle is still very active; is it more the case that we're in a period of wait-and-see retrenchment?
I know, I know, I'm soliciting a "good things are coming" teaser; but I'm more interested in whether there are still "good things" on the menu.
And FWIW, I understand, and appreciate, that your hands are somewhat tied by the need to protect sources' privacy. I think many haven't acknowledged that you guys are treading a difficult path with considerable integrity; and that you're much closer to the real human cost of the whole sorry saga than us outsiders.
I don't know about a "recipe", but what does work is typing <a href='longlink.com'>short description</a>, putting your long link where it says longlink.com (leaving the single quotes). At least, that's what people with Mad IT Skilz do.
At 11:01 AM, lawnmower man said... IMHO, caseyhaterz.com will be good for EN: it will lighten the heavy load of unfocused Casey discussion here, particularly in non-Casey posts. I tend to agree. While I checked out caseyhaterz.com, I suspect I'll still be spending more of my time here. Generally I only use forums when I'm dealing with a technical problem I'm unable to solve, so perhaps it's a matter of association...
@SPS Some of us (at least me) are feeling a little burned out from the effort required to stay current, and are taking time to digest some recently revealed information about one of the principals.
I just read a few posts here and there. What was this new revelation about one of the principals? Was it about G or Casey, or somebody else?
Benoit, Well done. Have you tried posting it to "I am Facing Enclosure"?
Thanks... :-)
I'm not going to post to IAFF. Neither Casey nor his "85-IQ Supporterz" would get the humor and the reference to G&S. Many of the words are beyond their capacity to understand as well ;-)
Does anyone know how long its supposed to take to get "approved" for caseyhaterz.com? I tried to register this morning and still have not received the email that will allow me access.
I hear that he may be going to see the Mikado very soon ;->
... "As someday it may happen that a victim must be found, I've got a little list, I've got a little list." ;-)
@ Adam -- the registration process requires no approval. Just try again, maybe check your spam folder. You should just get an e-mail with a clickable link that confirms your registration.
Too bad Duane is gone. I wanted to ask him about the San Diego market and whether his crystal ball sees it tanking soon. Everything's still way too expensive here.
@Adam: The Dude sez there's no "Adam" in the caseyhaterz database. Try it again? Or you can email him for help: the email address in his Blogger profile.
mejustme, Lots of people follow San Diego. It has lots of leading indicator tpye characteristics. Jim The Realtor at bubbleinfo.com is a great first place to stop. Then Piggington and others.
SD is in quiet desperation mode. The spring selling/buying season did not appear. Those that need to sell are stuck and every month that goes by is one payment less in their pockets. Banks are going to own a lot of real estate.
Opps. I saw that you mentioned it was $10,000. Did I read that wrong? What was the $10,000 for? Why did LossMitPro repeatedly say that he was doing it for free?
LMP was doing it for free. The $10k quote is what he normally would have charged someone with eight properties in default.
Depending on what written contract they have (or rather, had), it will be interesting to see how this plays out in court. If it was strictly pro-bono, LMP will lose. If there was more written in there, he may prevail... hard to guess without seeing the contract.
If it wasn't written, all bets are off (hard to prove it wasn't pro-bono).
@fakeners: CaseyPedia transcript of Mark's "idiot's guide" version on one of the haterzcasts.
As I understand it: Mark was doing $10K's worth of work for Casey, for free, as long as Casey met certain conditions. Casey failed to meet the conditions. Mark sees this as "fraudulent inducement" -- ie, Casey misled him in his unpaid employment by promising one thing but delivering another.
But it's all couched in legal saber-rattling, bluffing, and feinting that makes it hard to see what the real meat of the complaint is.
Just playing armchair judge here, but I don't think that fraudulent inducement has merit.
I posted on IAFF about how I googled "fraudulent inducement of employment" and the examples that came up were all about actual employment -- somebody got hired in a looser™ W2 job under false pretenses, worked there for a few years until they realized the promises were never going to be kept, and resultantly their career suffered setbacks. There weren't any cases of someone losing a few weeks of their time.
Maybe there are cases of somebody fraudulently induced to do work for someone pro bono, but I didn't find any.
I'm curious if there are precedents for anyone doing pro bono work suing the person for monetary damages. I mean, I'm sure there've been many lawyers who took on cases believing someone was innocent or given a bad deal, then made to look the fool when their client does something stupid.
It seems to me unless Mittens had in writing upfront, "Casey will do X or he will have to repay me for my time I'm offering pro bono," he's basically sounding like an Indian giver.
Keep this in mind folks, Mark no doubt knows Casey does NOT HAVE one dime to his name (dirty pennies, maybe or $7500 to be exact) to fight this as well as pay a judgement. He also needs to attach a dollar amount to file the suit, am I not wrong?
What Mark is trying to do (he has said this over and over) is get Casey on record talking about his fraudulent behavior. For that, Mark deserves to a little benefit of the doubt here. I swore I wouldn't post this kind of rebuttal, but I can't help but point this out.
I posted on IAFF about how I googled "fraudulent inducement of employment" and the examples that came up were all about actual employment -- somebody got hired in a looser™ W2 job under false pretenses, worked there for a few years until they realized the promises were never going to be kept, and resultantly their career suffered setbacks. There weren't any cases of someone losing a few weeks of their time.
Maybe there are cases of somebody fraudulently induced to do work for someone pro bono, but I didn't find any.
I'm curious if there are precedents for anyone doing pro bono work suing the person for monetary damages. I mean, I'm sure there've been many lawyers who took on cases believing someone was innocent or given a bad deal, then made to look the fool when their client does something stupid.
It seems to me unless Mittens had in writing upfront, "Casey will do X or he will have to repay me for my time I'm offering pro bono," he's basically sounding like an Indian giver.
I agree with your analysis. And I still don't see how LMP has any basis for the equitable relief. And though I think he has a better shot with his "liable" claims, he still has to prove actual damages ... i.e. that someone decided not to hire him because of something Casey and/or Mocha said.
I agree that LMP is trying to get CS on record, I just think his execution has been terrible.
As much as I'd like to see CS nailed to the wall, this case is not likely to do it... and could hand CS a "win" that he'll hold up to the world to say "look, the haterz are wrong, I won!!!".
CS -NEVER- offered to pay LiMP $10k, Mark himself admits this. LiMP will have a hard time establishing damages.
The libel claims... hard to say without seeing what specifically LiMP is claiming. He will have to show specific statements by CS that damage his reputation (and his own comments to CS do NOT help him). Internet name calling does not qualify, especially since Mark was throwing names back.
Even if that stands, establishing damages will be difficult at best.
At the risk of getting pelted with rotten fruit, I declare I cannot handle comic operas, rock operas and other musicals of the stage except truly traditional classical opera.
I had this friend who I did frequent road trips with in my twenties, and she would subject me to hours upon hours of Les Miz, Miss Saigon and Cats, and Phantom until I was practically clawing my way out of the car screaming for my life and sanity.
That is cruel, cruel punishment. The worst part was that she sang along, every FREAKIN word in this nasal, piercing voice that makes my skin rise into to goosebumps of terror just thinking of it. AAUUGH..
::scurries away shrieking ripping hair from her head::
You needs a marriage counselor? Well, I'LL be your "marriage counselor", little hobbit.
I told you back during your Tahoe "brain-farting trip" what the score was there, didn't I?
It's over...kaput...finis...past due.
Why do you persist in maintaining "Sharky-ignore mode" and then walk right into the dung-heap I had pointed out was in your path?
If it wasn't so damned entertaining, it'd be irritating.
If I were you, (I'd take up bungee-jumping without the bungee, but that's not really relevant here), I'd end it as quickly and as cleanly and as honorably as possible.
Think of it as a "fix n'flip"...except that you didn't "fix"anything, and you're not really going to "flip" any profit...so it's more like a "flop".
Yeah, that's the ticket! It was just another Casey Serin real estate deal.
"Back to the Bank with this one!"
No wrap, no short sale, no "solving the problem creatively". Just send the "deed in lieu" and walk away, forever.
"Failing Forward" implies that you first must realize your failure. You should....we have.
Although you'll again do what you indicated inthe post above:
FWIW, I briefly described Lost Mitten's case to my father, who is a retired corporate attorney who handled some employment law matters back in the day and who did some pro bono work from time-to-time. He wasn't aware off the top of his head of any precedent, but said that he didn't think much of the case as I described it (with the caveat that he'd need to review the actual complaint to reach a more informed opinion, which he had no interest in doing).
My guess would be that LMP's case gets ultimately gets dismissed because of some procedural misstep (an almost inevitable fate when an amateur attempts to litigate). But from how LMP has summarized his case on these boards and the podcasts, it doesn't seem like there's a good deal of merit to it. YMMV.
Y'know,just because I feel a surge of joy when the blade of my chainsaw rips into human flesh, doesn't mean that I can't at least TRY to be a good person.
> And this is where LMP gets to pour > out the dog's breakfast in open court > and on the record.
But we need Casey to pour it out in open court... and that's just not going to happen.
Should all the stars align and LiMP is able to get CS on the stand, he will have to show the questions are relevant to his case... and then CS will simply stand behind the 5th amendment.
Again, nice concept, poor execution. CS needs to be in criminal court, not civil. Not something LiMP can do.
He can try to force CS to take down IAFF, block the sale of the book and stop the flow of funds to CS... but he doesn't have the case to warrant any of that.
I do understand the whole "get him in court to get all this on record" stuff, but everyone can't file frivolous lawsuits just to get the defendant's naughty deeds on record. Someone here or on IAFF brought that up to Mittens, that you can't use the legal system that way; one must have a real case, and Mittens did say he understood that and (he feels) he has a case.
I hope we'll get an update here from somebody about what happens tomorrow.
Stephanie J., Well they can pelt me with rotten fruit as well, because I completey agree. While I occasionally enjoy experimental set designs, costumes, etc., I'd sure like to see a return to traditional opera. Phantom is not opera. Period.
"But we need Casey to pour it out in open court... and that's just not going to happen."
Ahhh, so Fliptard will let these allegations made under oath stand unchallenged?
It beggars the question of how he would go about debunking the accusations of wrongdoing without getting on the stand and talking about them...which would open him up to cross-examination.
Can you claim the 5th about a subject you specifically are testifying about to disprove the veracity? IANAL.
"He can try to force CS to take down IAFF, block the sale of the book and stop the flow of funds to CS... "
I wouldn't put a bit of grand mis-direction past the OracleLMP.
Sole ownership of IAFF,and it's proceeds,transferred to another party. One who is perhaps more inclined to repay debts.
Steph J. wrote: I had this friend who I did frequent road trips with in my twenties, and she would subject me to hours upon hours of Les Miz, Miss Saigon and Cats, and Phantom until I was practically clawing my way out of the car screaming for my life and sanity.
I watched the movie version of Phantom and thought it was lame (although I did like a couple of the songs). I'd give the real-live-theatre version a second chance, but no guarantees--I could see it making me miserable as well.
Then there was the time I caught the tail-end of "Dancing With The Stars," which used to be on in the time slot before "Lost." I wanted to eat my hand!
Actually, I loved Les Miserables. And I actually met a member of the cast once on vacation; she sang for the guests and told some very humorous backstage stories. But I never would buy a CD of it. That's just wrong.
Did Fliptard seek out LostMittens for his service, or did LostMittens seek out Fliptard and offer his services pro bono?
It's like any random fool... say a roofer go to any homeowner, offer his services... the homeowner says "let me think about it"... the homeowner changes his mind, and the roofer says "you wasted my time, you owe me $x because thats how much I would have gotten had you used my services!!".
LostMittens doesn't have a case. And this becomes public record for Fliptard's book.
Fliptard gets to disparage LostMittens in his book, and LostMittens can't do a damn thing about it.
Seeing the very fine song parodies done recently, I had the notion to pen one of my own. I hope you enjoy it and appreciate I tried to remain close the source material.
Have a pleasant and profitable week.
As always, I L M S
:: on the back is written ::
Once there was a way... to get sweet cashback Once there was a way... to get cash back Sleep pretty darling do not pry Or else you may unveil my lies
My loan docs I improvised G S P G's stock will rise Weep pretty darling for I surmise ... More deceptions will soon arise
Once there was a way... to get sweet cashback Once there was a way... to get cash back Sleep pretty darling do not pry Or else you may unveil my lies
> Ahhh, so Fliptard will let these > allegations made under oath > stand unchallenged?
Wouldn't put it past CS to open his mouth and say all kinds of stupid things, but...
Won't matter if LiMP says it, it would have to be CS. Otherwise, there is already better evidence.
> I wouldn't put a bit of grand > mis-direction past the OracleLMP.
I hardly consider LiMP an Oracle, but if that's your view...
I think both he and CS look more like third graders on the playground ready to fight - both hoping the other backs down first and afraid to back down themselves because everyone is watching.
CS's "last chance mark" post from the other day (since removed) was classic.
> Sole ownership of IAFF,and it's > proceeds,transferred to another party. > One who is perhaps more inclined to > repay debts.
That would be a fantastic outcome... but it won't happen. Mark would have to win, not something that will happen immediately (CS / IAFF will be long gone before this case completes with a judgement for).
Mark would also have to show damages - and CS has had offers for the site in excess of what LiMP is suing for... so he would not get sole ownership regardless.
Would it go to a third party? Unlikely. If you sue a business and win, you don't get to seize the business - you just get to -TRY- to collect the money from them.
From Casey's last fradcast, LossMitPro pretty much explained his stance with the law suit.
He said that he and Casey entered into a legal contract to help Casey for free by which Casey then sabbotagaged all of LossMitPro work.
That's breach of contract and LossMitPro has grounds for suing and winning.
What is going to bite Casey hard, is that should Casey argues ANY of LossMitPro acussations, he will open Casey to fraud charges. If Casey says nothing, he loses the case. So Casey is screwed either way.
Casey will be screwed the second he enters a court room. If Casey avoids the law suit, then LossMitPro wins and will be able to after Casey full force.
The last thing a Judge will want to hear are things like "shady" and "everyone was doing it" - that is like a HARD slap on any judge (they heard it once too many).
Like any law suit, everything comes out. It will start as a simple breach of contract law suit and quickly expand into the multiple properties Casey bought and that will open Casey up for full discovery of the evidence which Lenders of Casey can use.
What I meant to say is that Mark cannot legally disclosed what he knows, but this suit can open Casey up for "discovery" and that will open the can of worms.
Once the can of worms is open, others who "may have" been defrauded (ie Lenders) will be able to grab that data to go after Casey.
I think there is a bigger picture here being played out.
Think of this as Pandora's box. Mark is simply the opener - which is all it takes to get the ball rolling.
We should make this interesting and lay some bets on the outcome.
I'm willing to bet that the suit is either withdrawn by LMP at some point or gets dismissed because of procedural error by LMP. The latter becomes far more likely if/when Marty takes an active interest in the case and hires competent counsel to protect his interest in IAFF continuing to run. Although at this point, I'm not sure if he doesn't see Turdflake as a lost cause/sunk cost. He's got his $5k or whatever from Casey, so there's no need spending money trying to secure an extra couple hundred (possibly $1k) in extra profit from the "book" sales.
segfault said: "Then there was the time I caught the tail-end of "Dancing With The Stars," which used to be on in the time slot before "Lost." I wanted to eat my hand!"
My sister was visiting for a week, and she actually tivo'ed that crap. Or maybe it was "So You Think You Can Dance". Whatever it was, it was atrocious.
Casey is a criminal. Mark wanted clicks. Mark got burned. Mark should cut his losses, lick his wounds and move on. Mark has only himself to blame for sullying his reputation. He had been warned that there was going to be trouble ahead. The haterz were right about that.
And I have a bomb that I will be dropping once I get the go ahead. It concerns a new partnership: Casey and a close family member of yours. Stay tuned. :)
The suit also names PageDaddy.com as a defendant. Makes it more likely they will take an active interest.
If either CS or Marty springs for a law-talking-guy, I'll bet quite a bit that Mark will be tossed out in short order. If CS handles this by himself? Well... he'd be stupid.
So at long last I ran afoul of the infrastructure VERIZON has allowed to crumble in my region. Five days ago, a slight wind moved a rotten phone pole accross the street, the stress-relief doodad popped free of the pole itself, and the DSL/phone cable running to my house was sliced through by the sheet-metal edge of a junction box. Five days I had to wait for a repair truck, borrowing friends' bandwidth to deliver work and send business emails, but missing all optional fun news.
Damn. I hadn't even caught up with last week's Kasey Krap. The volume of EN posts since then is daunting. It's getting to be too much like work to follow this soap opera, and we all know work is bad.
Summary anywhere? Perhaps there is a weekly roundup at Caseypedia or elsewhere I do not know about.
And why did I have to activate a Blogger account to post here? Is that a new EN thing or a technical burp?
Fannn, I feel your pain. I just moved and haven't been online much in the last three-four days.
I've been skimming hundreds of posts here and at IAFF. I'm not good at finding information at Caseypedia (is it just me?) and I don't feel like registering at Caseyhaterz. Thank goodness, because those sites would suck me in for a few more hours.
He needs to establish standing. His "liable" (his original statement) claim needs to have a victim. He will try to show that CS damaged the company's reputation. Also applies to his attempts to paint CS as a competitor - needs to have the company involved for this.
Los Mit Pro Left the EN blog to protect legal strategy.
The Dude Started the CaseyHaterz Forum and T is moderator.
Mouse and Pencil said he was 'not going to be around as much'
Casey's Sex Life is 'Through with EN'
Duane said he will never ever leave EN, went to the Forum and came back and said he was leaving EN
Forum has SOME anti EN slant, but basically EN'ers minus Trolls, (except me, I am staying here)
Casey jubuliant at IAFF cuz the Hartez have had such great dramatic split up. (His IAFF's opinion, His supporterz words, not mine).
Casy posted a list of a bunch of things he wanted for free, car lawyer, that can handle a lot of public attention, lap top that has built in wireless, Cell phone with a lot of minutes, etc.
Casey cave LMP a thread that gave him till today to drop the suit "Or else" then took the threat down.
Casey often refers to "his lawyer", but is is actually just a friend who was a judge, not actually His Lawyer, Casey sez, " I just call him my lawyer." (note he asks for a lawyer above)
Picture this:
"Casey, do you swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?"
Disclaimer: Just the facts as read them, feel free to edit. I am not a reporter or a party to anything. This is not a flame post, just trying to help above behind readers get 'caught up.'
Mark's business is clearly mostly word-of-mouth: his website is not soliciting for drive-by business.
Mark wasn't in it for "exposure" in the Serin sense of the word, which pretty much amounts to "I'll drop a few links to you and you'll get sweet, sweet traffic". He clearly doesn't care about raw traffic. Qualified leads, maybe -- but I really doubt how many of those IAFF generates.
Monkey, your flight is a thing of airbornity and your warriorness knows no end of warriorousity. Thanks for the kneecap.
In five days there was a civil war at EN? Good gawd. That's as shocking as if I had briefly left the country and returned to find George Bush was illegally installed as the president.
Not so -- please don't position caseyhaterz.com as opposing EN, that's really not the case.
What is the case is:
a) a large number of people have moved over to caseyhaterz.com for discussion because the troll problems, and the inherent single-threadedness of the blog format, made discussion here increasingly difficult, and
b) a number of users at caseyhaterz.com have expressed frustration with the slow release, and frequent teasing foreshadowing, of insider information at EN. The common complaint was this: if you can't release the information yet, please stop baiting with "good things are coming" and "if you only knew what I know" previews.
I don't see widespread opposition to EN in the forums at the moment. There was one active thread on "Info Teases", but that's largely died down; most of the discussion there is normal Casey business as usual talk.
EN is not being betrayed, Rob is not being backstabbed; it's just that the forums are a better place for the everyday Casey chitchat than Rob's comments.
except me, I am staying here
I'm here _and_ there. I didn't think I'd like forums, but it's worked out well so far: it's worth a look, at least.
I don't know about "civil war"; but it does feel a little like the aftermath of an earthquake, with communities regrouping and rebuilding.
What I don't understand is why was Galina willing to go along with Casey's Fraud so long as Casey was able to make $1,000 a week?
$50 grand per year? A fortune. This was before the consequences of Casey's adventures were explained to her.
$18k per month in obligations is about right on the high side. On the high side because $18k/mo creates its own financial field and pulls all the high interest rates into lower electron orbits without exploding.
@ lawnmower man, Hi. Well I went there once and that was the only thread I read. So, anyway, I really like the "who shot JR?" cliff hangers and the reveals. Gives us a chance to play mystery writers. Aayway, glad you didn't leave and each to his own. (": FMW
I don't see widespread opposition to EN in the forums at the moment. There was one active thread on "Info Teases", but that's largely died down; most of the discussion there is normal Casey business as usual talk.
Just wanted to agree with LM. I don't see an anti-EN slant at CHC at all, but rather a more diverse collection of opinions and a healthier venue for general discussion. I think anyone who honestly characterizes CHC as an anti-EN forum probably has an overexaggerated sense of EN's importance. This story was always bigger than Rob, Duane, Mark or even Casey.
I was already finding the linear format limiting, which is why I rarely posted except as part of running cast commentary. When the troll invasion hit, and the "good things are coming, no they're not" stuff started, I was beginning to look for the side door.
The only thing that happened here was that the story outgrew Rob/EN, just as it outgrew Casey/IAFF before it. Doesn't at all invalidate Rob's contribution, or make EN a worse place to visit. Personally, I have more reason to visit EN now that it's not trying to do both jobs.
FMW - for the record, I've always liked your comments, and I was waiting this weekend to see you show up at CHC. I'd love to see you consider dual residency. :)
...heck it even looks like Rob Dawg might be burning out.
Does "strategic pacing" work better than burnt out? I am such an olde dawg that I met Marshall Mcluhan at one of those Harvard/MIT speaker thingies.
My playful foreshadowing and subtext via imagery and entendre was a fun distraction but then some people developed a sense of entitlement. It started grating on them that other people might know things they did not. The answer was to pull the telegraphing and stop distributing info as soon as practical. Better? Worse? Not my call.
It was more the way you have said a few things and the "heres the casey topic with a fake timestamp for today so every other post doesnt end up about him".
I value keeping one's word (and not flat out making crap up) above pretty much everything, never had a problem with the baiting.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I never had an issue with foreshadowing and subtext. It was playful, smart and fun. You've done a good job with it, and your narrative's been a very welcome change from Casey's hamfisted "it's all good" dialogue.
The thing I hear people saying is that they were getting tired of reading previews for a show that didn't seem to be going on. We'd been hearing "you don't know the full story" from Casey for MONTHS, and now it seemed that everyone had begun doing it.
And not for bad reasons! LMP has a court date to think about, and neither Duane nor you want to inflict damage on innocents just to throw raw meat to the crowd. But where I sit anyway, I think a lot of the conflict would have been defused immediately by just saying, "No news today, will talk when something happens, nothing to see." Instead what people got was, "I got a big bucket of red meat here, and I'm JUST ABOUT to throw it out there, BUT WAIT.."
Regarding Duane leaving, I really do think he was a bit freaked out by 200 users and 1500 posts in 24 hours. He realized he'd become the voice in the whirlwind. I'd have freaked, too.
Rob, take CHC as a compliment. You stewarded the story from Casey's care to the next stage. And you've done a good job with it. Thanks.
Contrary to my harsh feelings the other day, I'll still be here. Dawg has been with us since the beginning and he still has a lot to offer in this saga.
I may post a little less, but if I see Casey doing something bad, I'll be here posting my observations.
As for Mark, Serinjustice covers it better than I ever could. I think Mark has a good chance because (as Sharky is saying) Casey is a fuck up in the worst way. He can't follow through and has no concept of when to shut up.
He will lose this case either by screwing up or in the discovery phase. Regardless of how you feel about Mark, let's give him a chance here. What he is doing is much needed. The law won't do it, so let's hope Mark can.
Casey's afraid folks. Why extort Mark if he isn't?
Rob, take CHC as a compliment. You stewarded the story from Casey's care to the next stage. And you've done a good job with it. Thanks.
Let's not forget too that caseyhaterz.com is pure reaction. There's no new news, no inner circle, no inside scoop there -- it's the same chitchat and banter that used to happen here in pre-troll days.
Rob and Duane are still very much part of the story -- as trusted gatekeepers of the sensitive inside info. (And "trusted" is deliberately double-edged there: I trust 'em to provide well-verified info, their sources trust 'em to carefully protect them.)
Hopefully caseyhaterz.com can help here -- by taking the routine chatter, the wolves howling for new information, and the trolls that feed on the disturbance off Rob's doorstep.
It was more the way you have said a few things and the "heres the casey topic with a fake timestamp for today so every other post doesnt end up about him".
IF I said that I apologize. If I didn't say that then what do you think is the appropriate remedy? Do it now.
5:53p observer: I'm starting to wonder if most of the recent trolls came from CHC
From a forum that didn't exist before 48 hours ago? That's some awful fast troll organization - the vast bulk of the trollstorm *I* saw here happened before CHC launched.
Thanks for all the great work rob. I think that the haterz board can take it form here. You've done a great job but sadly its time to pass the torch. The haterz board is just a much better way to have this discussion. I also have to agree that the baiting posts have turned me off from this site. BTW this is not the supporter Aaron this is the one and only Aaron
Just to repeat, I did not leave permanently, I just need a break. The trolls were taking over, and there's no point in trying to accomplish anything when the Short Bus Riders are peeing in the corners and eating all the paste.
This seems to have calmed down.
For the record - it had nothing to with nor was I angry at Rob, Duane, Mark, or anyone else BUT the trolls.
So, now we have the forums...which have been needed anyway, and we have EN, as the 'flagship" to the story.
So, as I see it, I'll save the quality for here, and the day to day rambling, snarkiness and such for the boards. Just as it would be had Rob created them.
Works for me. I do need to step back, and I will, but I have a mission, a duty - verily an imperative to keep the koi alive.
(Plus, they were stupid enough to make me a mod. Muahahahahahahahahahah!)
A koi recieved a papercut in the creation of this post
Good analysis. Let's look at it this way -- we are a mob with finite mob-ergs. If those mobergs are deployed in scouring out info on MurseBoi because no data is on surface, that is fruitful.
Or, if we are here, listening to dissemination of info and participating in strategizing, decision making, interpretation of data, dispatching subgroups, that's pretty efficient.
But if those mobergs are used in guessing, jumping up to the hand that withdraws the toy every time it is teasingly proffered, then set to snarling on each other, well, that is no good, and those mobergs are wasted.
Worse, because the resources and attention are diverted, no NEW and unique routes of investigation or people in the know (contacts) are established. Does anyone believe that R,D,M are somehow the holy anointed troika?
So three bad things happen: Dissension in the ranks, waste of moberg energy, and no new routes of inquiry opened into the subject. Stagflation.
So what to Rob's ego and external claims was just a little funnery, IMHO, had nothing to do with the changing of the GROUP (it did not collectively or individually), it had to do with the changing of the culture of a small insider clique, and insularity that always flows from such apartness.
This is now almost as interesting to me for it's sociological implications as it is for our naughty little fraudster.
All this talk about trolls, I don't get it. The way to deal with trolls is to ignore them.
The trolls weren't what muddied things up here. Trolls are a given on any active forum. What made a mess was all of you responding to them, giving them an audience and a reason to post.
Observer, guilty as charged. Guess I thought if you kept the facts out there, they couldn't win. Problem is they were determined to ignore me and others and continue the attacks.
"Gee, was that someone I saw on the grassy knoll over there?"
It won''t work, though. As Dolph has just said, there is room (and in fact need!) for all of the 'instruments' of Casey's undoing now on the web. The big ones to me are Caseypedia, Aspeth, Caseyhaterz and EN, in no particular order.
IAFF is irrelevant, as any info will be de-spun-ified and it's grist fed to the appropriate mills, so no need to go their since it's former (remember months ago?) homespun, naive, lost boy in the big world quality has long been shot to Hell. MurseBoi is outed as a shyster, he no longer is blogging effectively, he doesn't answer posts, the forum there is not needed with better sources of dialog/info...
Anyway, the lose™ (he he) amalgam of independent efforts that collectively are aligned to explore and expose Casey will continue quite effectively.
You Marty trolls might think about asking the boss if there is not some better use he can put your fingers to, like typing up depos, burning files, or something...
6:00p observer: If I wanted to drum up support to move somewhere else, that's exactly the strategy I'd use too.
Oh, please. And so now The Dude and T are troll insurrectionists? How about Sprezz - user #4? Benoit, #8? How many of the EN regulars do you want to brand trolls here?
Just trying to figure out if I'm a troll or not, by current EN standards. If so, I'm happy to leave you in peace.
Why make a forum due to unhappiness with EN and then continue to post here, mostly about the new forum?
The forums were not created due to unhappiness with EN. We've been asking Rob for forums for several months now. He's been too busy to do it so The Dude took the initiative.
I personally prefer the forum format. I think it makes it easier to separate the discussion into threads that make sense.
It's not a diss to Rob at all. I think it's odd that you would suggest such a thing.
I'm starting to wonder if most of the recent trolls came from CHC.
That's ridiculous. caseyhaterz is not Camp Idiot II.
And *what* recent trolls? I've been reading both sites; the troll activity here died out as soon as the chitchat shifted over to caseyhaterz. Their audience left; nothing for the trolls to feed on.
caseyhaterz is taking a strong anti-troll stance; that's yet to be tested with any real vigor (and I wonder how many sleepers have already registered), but the policy at least seems clear.
continue to post here, mostly about the new forum?
Am I a troll now then?
I've posted here about the new forum because I see the rapid reshaping of the landscape as fascinating. caseyhaters hit critical mass in a matter of hours and is still growing fast -- I find that amazing and interesting.
But whatever. I just wish they'd move on and stop cluttering this place up.
At 6:07 PM, Dolph said... Maybe Casey should be more scared? Between Rob's contacts and the collective at CH, it could cause him bigger image problems, no?
Dolph, think about some of the -unintended- consequences. A prison yard hypothetical; "Casey? Casey Serin? The dude who caused an innocent 16 year old girl to become a target of sexual predators? Ohhhh yessss. We know Casey Serin. Hated blogger eh? Welcome to the inner circle of Folsom 'snooooflake....'"
You Marty trolls might think about asking the boss if there is not some better use he can put your fingers to, like typing up depos, burning files, or something...
Oh and yea, I forgot, Duanne sez G's debt service is $18,000.00 per month, compliments of Casey who is going to Colorado, according to some rumors.
Where was this? I mentioned the $18K/month here. I did not see anything about Colorado. The $18K was service on all loans including mortgages. I need to go back on the numbers, update for accrued interest and adjust for foreclosed properties and estimated 1099s, followed by what the fed tax would be on that amount and what penalties might apply to not filing estimated tax payments. I would also need to start setting up a ongoing interest schedule on the due tax.
I'm not up to anything. I hope CHC does take the chatter and clowning away from EN. That's all I saw over there when I visited. Stupid pics and mindless drivel.
Maybe EN can now get back to discussions of substance without all the distractions.
Loosely based speculation after a caller on the "Friday Fraudcast" invited Casey to come stay on her small ranch in Colorado. Casey told her to email him.
$18k per month in obligations is about right on the high side. On the high side because $18k/mo creates its own financial field and pulls all the high interest rates into lower electron orbits without exploding.
I like that explanation. $18K/month means you have $216,000/year in interest payments alone. To pay this with income, you need to invert for taxes (CA 9%, fed 36% I think for this income, might be 33%). This yields a required income of $392,727/year just to cover interest (and pay taxes)..
I'm not trying to do anything. It was just an observation. It does seem like more than a coincidence.
I've been here for many months. I've followed the IAFF story since the first week. I've made many posts here, there and other places. Among other things related to this story. I think I'm at least a bit in tune with things.
I'm not here for entertainment either.
Do I think all of the trolls are related to CHC? Nope.
Mark, Duane and Sharkey were so punk'd Friday night. Pink Lips is obviously a man. I also think he's a radio pro. Pink Lips is a good Phil Hendrie clone.
$18K/month means you have $216,000/year in interest payments alone. To pay this with income, you need to invert for taxes (CA 9%, fed 36% I think for this income, might be 33%). This yields a required income of $392,727/year just to cover interest (and pay taxes).
Correct. If you actually manage a few $18k/mo payments you are obviously more creditworthy in these circumstances. First, the penalties stop and a clever debtor can "parallel renegotiate" the rest. Suddenly $18k/mo loads become half that. All of a sudden you find yourself in a situation where a young hard working entrepeneur can work those two W-2 jobs and supplement the rest with success.
At that point even the taxes get easier. The IRS does not want to prosecute and certainly does not want prision. Both cost -money- and they don't cost they produce.
Casey working two sh!t jobs or even finding a way to work 2 good jobs fixes everything. There's not a haterz™ I know who wouldn't applaud. He won't work and then waggles his tiny pee pee at those of us who do.
Do you feel like a fool for giving Casey money? What were you thinking? Were you drunk or high or something?
Just curious.
ROFL
You say you've been here for a while, right? And at IAFF since the first week, I believe? Well, then you should already know the answer to that question, smart guy.
I think some of us are just sick of the bait and don't deliver tactics that go on here. The new forums are a much better place for the discussion to go on. Troll or not lets be honest. The board is going to take over on the saga. Rob has done an outstanding job and now this blog can get focused on the original intention. Sure the traffic will decrease substantially but thats not for us haterz to worry about. Thanks for everything Rob but I'm gonna be moving to the board. I've had alot of good discussions with everyone here but its time to move on.
The $18K/month is without penalties (since Casey's Reality-Distortion-Field™ was not being very open about such things, I couldn't include them.. maybe because the mail was not getting opened).
But you can renegotiate the rates down which would help considerably.
Even still, $0 to $392,727 is one heck of a bit of jump in income. He needed to shed debt quickly and pro actively way back when he started the blog. The biggest single $ burners were the houses. My last post over on IAFF was with respect to Buckaroo Banzai. I was tempted to call in on one of the fraudcasts™ and explain it but I would not be in the 'how do you feel about that' mood.
I dont know that we have an accurate picture of exactly how deep of a hold Casey is in, mostly because CASEY doesnt know how deep of a hole he's in. (but he promises to find out this week)
All the houses are gone so its just the credit debt and any residual from the foreclosures.
Well said Sharky. I don't understand why Rob is constantly defending Mark. Mark is clearly a bottom feeder just looking for some notoriety. I guess that the 25 drinks a day are affecting his reasoning. Hey Rob you better cut back or diabetes will surely creep up on you.
Casey had a spreadsheet up (finally put up after much prodding, poking and electric cattle prods). It sort of detailed his assets/debts. I sucked it into Excel and then did a quick column looking just at the interest rates and outstanding debts to find out what the monthly interest burn was. It came out to roughly $18K at the time.
I checked my stored link and it looks like it has been taken down (Part of Casey's history revision within his Reality-Distortion-Field™). I still have the Excel file though..
One thing that get me aback about Casey 'wayback' then, was that he calls himself a businessman and entrepreneur, but never ran a quick, back of the scratchpad, raw cash burn estimate.
It is so obvious and fundamental to any business that doing it goes without saying.
He is young and got himself over his head, so they feel sorry and try to help. (the young and got himself over his head is something he plays up a lot, his song on the violin so to say).
Another is reputation, exposure. If you can pull a debt loss mitigation of this size, you would get a good reputation and good exposure. This is kind of what LossMitPro was looking at. Casey would benefit and so would LMP. Needless to say, Casey would not go along with getting his affairs in order and was proverbially chasing the shiny object.
It was pre foreclosures. That is why I need to go back and estimate the banks loss, figure out what the 1099 would look like and then penalties the IRS/FTB would assess for not doing estimated tax payments on the amount.
BTW, many people assume that not having any money left/not debt/assets etc. would leave you free and clear of 1099s. The Dot-Com bust showed many people the errors of that assumption.
A 1099 is a capital gain/loss statement. Forgiveness on a loan is considered a short term capital gain and treated as income.
Just seemed like EN became more ego driven with some of the personalities, rather than just hate and make fun of casey driven. IMHO, that brought a lot of the trolls out.
I gotta go now.. but if Rob Dawg or any of the other Dog-pound members has time; it might be interesting to track down all of the foreclosed properties and identify what the bank offloaded them at by looking at the sale immediately after foreclosure. (sales history going back 1 to 2 years would allow me to find the bank's sale easily).
I think it might also be useful for Galina, etc to have an idea what the IRS might be looking at. It might also help Casey get a grasp on the size of what the the IRS's may be looking at, though I think it would not register with Casey. No longer his property, out of mind....
Without those, we'd die of cholera at 40,or in chidlbirth at 18.
Walk a colonial or antebellum graveyard sometime to see the truth of it.
George Meany of the AFL-CIO once said that he'd prefer to live in a town that had lost all of its lawyers than live in a town that lost all of its' plumbers.
Meany was as full of shit as any other Yoonyun Prezzy-dent, but I think he had a valid point there.
Rich men who need hobbies should take a long hard look around before embarking on a Casey project.
You'll get to Cooperstown also if you never hit a home run, but always single every time you're at bat.
I can understand wanting to help KC. Now, in my mid-thirties, I'm a down-to-earth business owner. But I've always had the entrepreneurial dream, and in my early twenties, I was just like KC, just a little more realistic. I listened to the "Gurus" (but didn't spend thousands on them), I wanted to get into real estate (Bay Area late nineties - could have made some serious money, but realized that being highly leverages was extremely dangerous). There but for the Grace of God go I, you know?
It's too bad, for the poor little psychopath, because when he started the blog, he received advice that was priceless. It took me ten years of hard work to learn the lessons people offered to share with him. If KC only had it in him to take good advice, I think he might have been a good part of the way out of his financial trouble by now.
@cacipeterson Just seemed like EN became more ego driven with some of the personalities, rather than just hate and make fun of casey driven. I would tend to disagree. Historically this place got the highest troll response when issues contradictory to the Casey Reality-Distortion-Field™ were brought to light. There was a slight delay and then suddenly the trolls. There were trolls that wanted to make light of something serious and try to get a response and there were some trolls that seemed to want to reduce the board to infighting amongst members so that traffic to the blog drops. This blog also had a sharp increase in trolls when the Casey-Marty team-up occurred. It is kind of ironic that any trolling actually helped increase this blogs 'view counts' because trolls were incessantly refreshing to find something to 'bark' at.
I found the trolls irritating but easy to deal with. Think 8 to 13yr old mentality with nothing better to do.
It's too bad, for the poor little psychopath, because when he started the blog, he received advice that was priceless. It took me ten years of hard work to learn the lessons people offered to share with him.
I noticed that too, and pointed it out to him on his blog. There was even someone who posted a list of 3 books you should read if you are serious about Real Estate investing (this person was successful). Total cost if buying was under $150, but you could read them at a public library. Much less than the $15K for some Guru's scaminar.
" I wanted to get into real estate (Bay Area late nineties - could have made some serious money, but realized that being highly leverages was extremely dangerous). There but for the Grace of God go I, you know?"
Perhaps so, But I suspect that good old common sense had as much to do with it,(another of those mundane miracles that makes all the diff).
Grace of God?
When I was an amphibious creature, I stood one day in a formation with other amphibians.
9 of us were detailed off and marched away. I was not among 'em.
Those 9 all died in Beirut...I got to pack sand in California's High Desert for 3 and a half years.
You are absolutely correct. If I ever got in to troubles like Casey (no, i'm not that dumb), I would honestly be scared to death. I would be so grateful if someone like Duane came along and gave me a ray of sunshine and a way to get the hell out of the hole I was in. Casey is just wired wrong.
This will likely be the only Casey post of the day. Kvetch here and leave the other threads topical. [N.B. The timestamp has been hacked to reflect a later publish dat to keep this post at the top of the stack.]
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So this is the new paradigm:
You leave one 'wrapper' per day as a starter for all ongoing Caseychat, so the other threads can go back to pre-Casey topics, with no MurseBoi content?
Not making any comment or judgment about that tack, just trying to be sure I properly understand the intent, so I can comply.
I have been lax in enforcing topicality. My fault and I was just giving clarification. Of course anyone can post damn near anything they want anwhere they want but it isn't the best use of effort.
The one wrapper bit is just because today will likely be very quiet and there's no need to make the twice a day lurkers scroll through a half dozen threads.
Just management techniques, no policy changes are expected.
Terrific!
While this thread is fresh, I just want to give a huge and public THANK YOU for trying to be the ringmaster for this circus so far. It is clear a *lot* of folks are fraying at the edges, and I just want to say my earlier comments today in response to Duane were pretty harsh. As I have stated earlier on multiple occasions, I think he is a gentleman and a forthright individual.
I'm sorry there seems to be some elbowing around (this happens even to the best of friends and/or family on an extended road trip, you know. Tempers get short. People get annoyed. It passes.) but the focus we all have in common, I think, is that Casey is off t5he rails, and his exploits probably need to cost him, but for GAWDSAKES, he can't be allowed to gain and then continue his methods with impunity! If so, there is no justice.
Anyway, thanks again, and let's please not let some understandable road-weary crankiness throw us all into complete melt down.
Cheers!
Sorry I've been cranky. Fliptard & the Tardettes were trying this weekend.
Oh, and MOIST!
Lawsuit is up on Sac Court Website
https://services.saccourt.com/indexsearchnew/CVFLPRPersonList.aspx?SearchValues=CV|07AM06649||01/01/1997|12/31/2007|Name|Asc
Happy-happy, joy joy!
[does Snoopy dance around room]
@R-Boy
clicky
On a lighter note don't forget to play this week's 6 Degrees of Casey Serin to Mahatma Gandhi game! Win-win!
So now it's filed, and presumably public knowledge, can we please see the actual content of the complaint?
Or does one of us have to schlep down to the Sacto courthouse, like Casey, to get a copy?
where is kc's wish list/beg list posted? Did he take it down?
Rob, you should just post any Casey updates on caseyhaterz.com and leave your blog on-topic.
Or, would that make your blog as popular as that other Award Winning One (Zero comments)?
I hope Casey and Galinas marraige can be salvaged. The airing of dirty laundry was pretty detrimental to that. But not as bad as Caseys actions. I am glad Duane will be keeping quiet about some of these things.
What? No comments about either the thread title or picture?
Snowflake has a new real estate supporterz. westchesternyforsalebyowner left him an encouraging comment.
Here the website for this guy. Also check out his BRAND NEW blog. He seems to have the same kind of mad IT skillz[tm] that KC has.
Times must be REALLY difficult for realtors...
OMG this is some technology he uses:
Immagine having me standing in front of your house 24 hours a day talking about how great your home is to everyone who passes by! Thats exactly what "Talking House" is. I will set you up with your own radio transmitter that will broadcast a pre-recorded message about your home for all who drive by to listen to on their car radio. Sounds grea doesn't it? Of course it does!
If I was a neighbor and he was messing with my radio reception I would kick his ass. Would be interesting to know what the FCC thinks about that method.
It's really deceptive advertisement here to say everybody passing by will hear it. I am sure you have to dial into a certain frequency to actually listen to the crap show and the range can't be more then a dozen feet, if even that.
But hey, he doesn't call his approach THE GUERRILLA MARKETING APPROACH for nothing. He just also markets the sellers guerrilla style :-)
Dawg, serving = cool.
Happy now Rob? ;)
Quite a few of the agents I worked for in San Diego did the Talking House thing, but I'm not really sure how it works as far as frequency & distance.
And by the way, that was at least 4 years ago, so it's hardly new technology, if that's what he's trying to say.
Rob:
Good to know that there'snothing much happening on the Fliptard Front.
(Except for that little "lawsuit thang")
You dog, you!
Are divorce proceedings handled in the same court,or does Cali/Sacro handle those in a "Family Court"?
Anyone got the 411?
Low power AM transmitter, has a range of perhaps 100 feet at most. Perfectly legal with FCC. Sign tells you to tune to a frequency, typically an unused one in that area. No problems there, except of course it presumes buyers are out driving around eagerly looking for places to buy, which is not the case right now.
Self answer:
Sacto has a Family Law pull-down menu on that search engine.
Watch that space
Kewl...CKS's life as he knows it ends via a pull down menu.
Dems some sweet skillz!
I missed the Fraudcast.
Did Galina Serin call in? Any of Serin's family called in?
Dood,
I think we all are fraying. It's been an emotional weekend. While I may not post as often as I used to, I do plan to keep posting observations. I just won't waste time debating people who have made up their minds.
Too much to do, too little time to do it I guess (for me that is).
Sweet, other realtors do this all the time in SoCal. If it was against the law, I would think the FCC would do something about it.
Leonard, Dolph,
They must have some sort of authorization then. There where multiple instance where the FCC stopped the sale of certain "iPod" transmitters for cars that where too powerful and leaked the signal way outside the car....
And, yes, Rob, although uncommented on at the time, your pic nuances were noted and appreciated when I originally heard of the suit.
While I happen to think it is a harmless quirk, it is at least a little interesting that the behavior (and need to have it noticed) is in line with some complaints of the 'we are in the know/ you are out/ we will control the information flow' point of view.
In other words, we are who we are, and the very traits that may well endear us to some, can drive people crazy if taken in more than small doses over a long period of time.
I am sure I have my own peccadilloes, too...
Not trying to start a flame war or troll, just trying to add a little honest observational input, since you requested.
Cheers.
archiving:
(fuckin' with schmucktard)
"Hey Kid;
William Steiner wrote:
"Remember in life if you are too busy focused on whats behind you instead of all the good things that are infront of you ..."
Hobbit...this is a wisdom so profound as to boggle the Mind of God.
Brought tears to my eyes,it did.
Try and remember those beautiful words in the prison shower, okay?
Except....what is in front of you may be essentially no different than what is behind you.
But hey...itsallgood!
How 'bout that case number,kid?
You should play those numbers in the Lotto...and no, you can't "cashback" the ticket."
Would be interesting to know what the FCC thinks about that method.
It's called low power FM broadcasting an is unregulated by the FCC.
Sweet Cashback said...
Leonard, Dolph,
They must have some sort of authorization then. There where multiple instance where the FCC stopped the sale of certain "iPod" transmitters for cars that where too powerful and leaked the signal way outside the car....
Those were special cases. People have had legal unlicensed low power FM transmitters for their trunk CD players for over ten years and they've been interfering with each other for almost as long. With low power unlicensed transmitters, you have to accept some interference.
Now what I think is stupid... what dope would want to hear a recording babbling about the house on their AM radio when they could just read the same information on the flyer?
Crossposted to the forums -- here's the first verse of a Gilbert and Sullivan "Modern Major General" parody I've been working on:
I am the very model of an unrepentant criminal
I steal from banks subversively through strategies subliminal
My mortgage apps were finalized with multiple mendacities
By my declaring income streams of dubious veracities
The properties I purchased were appraised for more than actual
With fabricated values altogether counterfactual
Affording me a way of life approximating royalty
While scamming all my family and those who'd shown me loyalty
When pressed about my thievery, I'm largely sanctimonious
Admitting all the while that my actions were felonious
And since I robbed a bunch of banks with strategies subliminal
I am the very model of an unrepentant criminal!
Thoughts? :)
Mark's case is now on the internet:
https://services.saccourt.com/indexsearchnew/CVFLPRPersonList.aspx?SearchValues=CV|07AM06649||01/01/2007|12/31/2007|Name|Asc
Benoit -
Very nice. There have been other worthy attempts, but yours hits closest to the G&S flavor.
Perhaps at the next beg-a-thon (I suspect coming VERY soon now that he's homeless), we could have CS sing that and post it to youtube for $20.
No comments about either the thread title or picture?
No comments on the upheaval of the last few days?
IMHO, caseyhaterz.com will be good for EN: it will lighten the heavy load of unfocused Casey discussion here, particularly in non-Casey posts. EN can continue its exurban topics and can still act as the newspaper of record for Casey news and reveals;
What say you, Rob? What is EN's role now that forums are up and active?
And what's happening now that both Mark and Duane have fallen silent? Are the sources also dried up? R-Boy suggests that the inner circle is still very active; is it more the case that we're in a period of wait-and-see retrenchment?
I know, I know, I'm soliciting a "good things are coming" teaser; but I'm more interested in whether there are still "good things" on the menu.
And FWIW, I understand, and appreciate, that your hands are somewhat tied by the need to protect sources' privacy. I think many haven't acknowledged that you guys are treading a difficult path with considerable integrity; and that you're much closer to the real human cost of the whole sorry saga than us outsiders.
@Dolph
clicky
Wide links are hard to c&p - If you can't make a clicky, just send it to the Dawg, I'll fix it & send it back.
Maybe Sprezz will repost the recipe...
I don't know about a "recipe", but what does work is typing <a href='longlink.com'>short description</a>, putting your long link where it says longlink.com (leaving the single quotes). At least, that's what people with Mad IT Skilz do.
Benoit,
NICE!
or do you think it is an attempt by the "Supporterz" at subversion.
... uhh... the forums were started by well-known Haterz "T" (Nacho) and "The Dude".
Thanks for the song comments BTW :o)
At 11:01 AM, lawnmower man said...
IMHO, caseyhaterz.com will be good for EN: it will lighten the heavy load of unfocused Casey discussion here, particularly in non-Casey posts.
I tend to agree. While I checked out caseyhaterz.com, I suspect I'll still be spending more of my time here. Generally I only use forums when I'm dealing with a technical problem I'm unable to solve, so perhaps it's a matter of association...
Benoit, that's from Pirates of Penzance, right? Great song. I hope everyone here knows it. I'm impressed you even tried.
Ha, I saw that play on Broadway many years ago with Gary Sandy from WKRP and um what's her name from Mork and Mindy. Pam Dawber.
(I can't believe I remembered Gary Sandy's name. Weird.)
@SPS
Some of us (at least me) are feeling a little burned out from the effort required to stay current, and are taking time to digest some recently revealed information about one of the principals.
I just read a few posts here and there. What was this new revelation about one of the principals? Was it about G or Casey, or somebody else?
@ mejustme -- Benoit, that's from Pirates of Penzance, right?
Yep. The flow and rhyme scheme (4 syllable rhymes) of the song appeal to me for some reason...
Benoit,
Well done. Have you tried posting it to "I am Facing Enclosure"?
NR
Benoit,
Well done. Have you tried posting it to "I am Facing Enclosure"?
Thanks... :-)
I'm not going to post to IAFF. Neither Casey nor his "85-IQ Supporterz" would get the humor and the reference to G&S. Many of the words are beyond their capacity to understand as well ;-)
Does anyone know how long its supposed to take to get "approved" for caseyhaterz.com? I tried to register this morning and still have not received the email that will allow me access.
Benoit,
Don't underestimate Casey. I hear that he may be going to see the Mikado very soon ;-> .... or some similar law enforement official.
NR
I hear that he may be going to see the Mikado very soon ;->
... "As someday it may happen that a victim must be found, I've got a little list, I've got a little list." ;-)
@ Adam -- the registration process requires no approval. Just try again, maybe check your spam folder. You should just get an e-mail with a clickable link that confirms your registration.
@Adam: it should be pretty much instant. It might have landed in your spam folder?
The Dude is online at caseyhaterz; I PMed him to see if he can help you.
Too bad Duane is gone. I wanted to ask him about the San Diego market and whether his crystal ball sees it tanking soon. Everything's still way too expensive here.
@Adam: The Dude sez there's no "Adam" in the caseyhaterz database. Try it again? Or you can email him for help: the email address in his Blogger profile.
mejustme,
Lots of people follow San Diego. It has lots of leading indicator tpye characteristics. Jim The Realtor at bubbleinfo.com is a great first place to stop. Then Piggington and others.
SD is in quiet desperation mode. The spring selling/buying season did not appear. Those that need to sell are stuck and every month that goes by is one payment less in their pockets. Banks are going to own a lot of real estate.
@lawnmower man - thanks it was in my spam folder. Logged in over there as SJB. Thanks again.
Rob what information is public about the money that Casey owes LossMitPro?
Opps. I saw that you mentioned it was $10,000. Did I read that wrong? What was the $10,000 for? Why did LossMitPro repeatedly say that he was doing it for free?
fackENers -
LMP was doing it for free. The $10k quote is what he normally would have charged someone with eight properties in default.
Depending on what written contract they have (or rather, had), it will be interesting to see how this plays out in court. If it was strictly pro-bono, LMP will lose. If there was more written in there, he may prevail... hard to guess without seeing the contract.
If it wasn't written, all bets are off (hard to prove it wasn't pro-bono).
@fakeners: CaseyPedia transcript of Mark's "idiot's guide" version on one of the haterzcasts.
As I understand it: Mark was doing $10K's worth of work for Casey, for free, as long as Casey met certain conditions. Casey failed to meet the conditions. Mark sees this as "fraudulent inducement" -- ie, Casey misled him in his unpaid employment by promising one thing but delivering another.
But it's all couched in legal saber-rattling, bluffing, and feinting that makes it hard to see what the real meat of the complaint is.
I guess at this point it's all wait-and-see.
Rob Dawg -
Question for you (or Duane, should he return):
How much are the parents / other family on the hook for? Mom for the $23k for Hammar, any more? Any other family similarly screwed?
If the answer is under the ban (not sure why it would be, but...) then please state that - just want to know how hard he screwed his family.
Thanks for the info.
Phew, almost caught up on the saga.
Just playing armchair judge here, but I don't think that fraudulent inducement has merit.
I posted on IAFF about how I googled "fraudulent inducement of employment" and the examples that came up were all about actual employment -- somebody got hired in a looser™ W2 job under false pretenses, worked there for a few years until they realized the promises were never going to be kept, and resultantly their career suffered setbacks. There weren't any cases of someone losing a few weeks of their time.
Maybe there are cases of somebody fraudulently induced to do work for someone pro bono, but I didn't find any.
I'm curious if there are precedents for anyone doing pro bono work suing the person for monetary damages. I mean, I'm sure there've been many lawyers who took on cases believing someone was innocent or given a bad deal, then made to look the fool when their client does something stupid.
It seems to me unless Mittens had in writing upfront, "Casey will do X or he will have to repay me for my time I'm offering pro bono," he's basically sounding like an Indian giver.
YMMV.
Keep this in mind folks, Mark no doubt knows Casey does NOT HAVE one dime to his name (dirty pennies, maybe or $7500 to be exact) to fight this as well as pay a judgement. He also needs to attach a dollar amount to file the suit, am I not wrong?
What Mark is trying to do (he has said this over and over) is get Casey on record talking about his fraudulent behavior. For that, Mark deserves to a little benefit of the doubt here. I swore I wouldn't post this kind of rebuttal, but I can't help but point this out.
All IMHO of course.
Huh. Slow today. Did everyone went over to the caseyhaterz site or something?
I posted on IAFF about how I googled "fraudulent inducement of employment" and the examples that came up were all about actual employment -- somebody got hired in a looser™ W2 job under false pretenses, worked there for a few years until they realized the promises were never going to be kept, and resultantly their career suffered setbacks. There weren't any cases of someone losing a few weeks of their time.
Maybe there are cases of somebody fraudulently induced to do work for someone pro bono, but I didn't find any.
I'm curious if there are precedents for anyone doing pro bono work suing the person for monetary damages. I mean, I'm sure there've been many lawyers who took on cases believing someone was innocent or given a bad deal, then made to look the fool when their client does something stupid.
It seems to me unless Mittens had in writing upfront, "Casey will do X or he will have to repay me for my time I'm offering pro bono," he's basically sounding like an Indian giver.
I agree with your analysis. And I still don't see how LMP has any basis for the equitable relief. And though I think he has a better shot with his "liable" claims, he still has to prove actual damages ... i.e. that someone decided not to hire him because of something Casey and/or Mocha said.
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Dolph -
I agree that LMP is trying to get CS on record, I just think his execution has been terrible.
As much as I'd like to see CS nailed to the wall, this case is not likely to do it... and could hand CS a "win" that he'll hold up to the world to say "look, the haterz are wrong, I won!!!".
CS -NEVER- offered to pay LiMP $10k, Mark himself admits this. LiMP will have a hard time establishing damages.
The libel claims... hard to say without seeing what specifically LiMP is claiming. He will have to show specific statements by CS that damage his reputation (and his own comments to CS do NOT help him). Internet name calling does not qualify, especially since Mark was throwing names back.
Even if that stands, establishing damages will be difficult at best.
Says Hizzonner to LMP:
"And what kind of work did you DO for Mr. Serin?".
LMP replies:
"I attempted to assist the Fliptard in squaring his debts."
Hizz:
"How much debt?"
LMP:
"Much-many-maximum debt"
Hizz:
"How did such a "yute" get so deep in the hole?"
And this is where LMP gets to pour out the dog's breakfast in open court and on the record.
Unless the Hobbit hocks Uncle Bilbo's Magic Ring and pieces LMP off via settlement.
As long as he gets standing to sue...
At the risk of getting pelted with rotten fruit, I declare I cannot handle comic operas, rock operas and other musicals of the stage except truly traditional classical opera.
I had this friend who I did frequent road trips with in my twenties, and she would subject me to hours upon hours of Les Miz, Miss Saigon and Cats, and Phantom until I was practically clawing my way out of the car screaming for my life and sanity.
That is cruel, cruel punishment. The worst part was that she sang along, every FREAKIN word in this nasal, piercing voice that makes my skin rise into to goosebumps of terror just thinking of it. AAUUGH..
::scurries away shrieking ripping hair from her head::
BTW... beautiful lyrics, Benoit. Quite ingenious (as usual, smahtipants).
archiving:
"Hey Kid:
Needs...you got needs, huh?
Everyone's got needs, kid.
You needs a marriage counselor?
Well, I'LL be your "marriage counselor", little hobbit.
I told you back during your Tahoe "brain-farting trip" what the score was there, didn't I?
It's over...kaput...finis...past due.
Why do you persist in maintaining "Sharky-ignore mode" and then walk right into the dung-heap I had pointed out was in your path?
If it wasn't so damned entertaining, it'd be irritating.
If I were you, (I'd take up bungee-jumping without the bungee, but that's not really relevant here), I'd end it as quickly and as cleanly and as honorably as possible.
Think of it as a "fix n'flip"...except that you didn't "fix"anything, and you're not really going to "flip" any profit...so it's more like a "flop".
Yeah, that's the ticket! It was just another Casey Serin real estate deal.
"Back to the Bank with this one!"
No wrap, no short sale, no "solving the problem creatively".
Just send the "deed in lieu" and walk away, forever.
"Failing Forward" implies that you first must realize your failure.
You should....we have.
Although you'll again do what you indicated inthe post above:
Face the thing head-on by ignoring it
I'm here for ya, kid.
BTW, where's Toby?"
@ mejustme
FWIW, I briefly described Lost Mitten's case to my father, who is a retired corporate attorney who handled some employment law matters back in the day and who did some pro bono work from time-to-time. He wasn't aware off the top of his head of any precedent, but said that he didn't think much of the case as I described it (with the caveat that he'd need to review the actual complaint to reach a more informed opinion, which he had no interest in doing).
My guess would be that LMP's case gets ultimately gets dismissed because of some procedural misstep (an almost inevitable fate when an amateur attempts to litigate). But from how LMP has summarized his case on these boards and the podcasts, it doesn't seem like there's a good deal of merit to it. YMMV.
Sharky,
Love the posts.
dolph:
Y'know,just because I feel a surge of joy when the blade of my chainsaw rips into human flesh, doesn't mean that I can't at least TRY to be a good person.
Sharkey Said:
> And this is where LMP gets to pour
> out the dog's breakfast in open court
> and on the record.
But we need Casey to pour it out in open court... and that's just not going to happen.
Should all the stars align and LiMP is able to get CS on the stand, he will have to show the questions are relevant to his case... and then CS will simply stand behind the 5th amendment.
Again, nice concept, poor execution. CS needs to be in criminal court, not civil. Not something LiMP can do.
He can try to force CS to take down IAFF, block the sale of the book and stop the flow of funds to CS... but he doesn't have the case to warrant any of that.
I do understand the whole "get him in court to get all this on record" stuff, but everyone can't file frivolous lawsuits just to get the defendant's naughty deeds on record. Someone here or on IAFF brought that up to Mittens, that you can't use the legal system that way; one must have a real case, and Mittens did say he understood that and (he feels) he has a case.
I hope we'll get an update here from somebody about what happens tomorrow.
Stephanie J.,
Well they can pelt me with rotten fruit as well, because I completey agree. While I occasionally enjoy experimental set designs, costumes, etc., I'd sure like to see a return to traditional opera. Phantom is not opera. Period.
Prop Flop:
"But we need Casey to pour it out in open court... and that's just not going to happen."
Ahhh, so Fliptard will let these allegations made under oath stand unchallenged?
It beggars the question of how he would go about debunking the accusations of wrongdoing without getting on the stand and talking about them...which would open him up to cross-examination.
Can you claim the 5th about a subject you specifically are testifying about to disprove the veracity? IANAL.
"He can try to force CS to take down IAFF, block the sale of the book and stop the flow of funds to CS... "
I wouldn't put a bit of grand mis-direction past the OracleLMP.
Sole ownership of IAFF,and it's proceeds,transferred to another party.
One who is perhaps more inclined to repay debts.
Oh;
My wager is that Fliptard doesn't want to see the inside of ANY courtroom, Civil, Criminal,or Family Law.
His admitted misconduct impacts all three spheres.
Steph J. wrote:
I had this friend who I did frequent road trips with in my twenties, and she would subject me to hours upon hours of Les Miz, Miss Saigon and Cats, and Phantom until I was practically clawing my way out of the car screaming for my life and sanity.
I watched the movie version of Phantom and thought it was lame (although I did like a couple of the songs). I'd give the real-live-theatre version a second chance, but no guarantees--I could see it making me miserable as well.
Then there was the time I caught the tail-end of "Dancing With The Stars," which used to be on in the time slot before "Lost." I wanted to eat my hand!
Ha, read this, from one of my favorite sites:
The best thing is it's REAL.
Actually, I loved Les Miserables. And I actually met a member of the cast once on vacation; she sang for the guests and told some very humorous backstage stories. But I never would buy a CD of it. That's just wrong.
Here's the key question:
Did Fliptard seek out LostMittens for his service, or did LostMittens seek out Fliptard and offer his services pro bono?
It's like any random fool... say a roofer go to any homeowner, offer his services... the homeowner says "let me think about it"... the homeowner changes his mind, and the roofer says "you wasted my time, you owe me $x because thats how much I would have gotten had you used my services!!".
LostMittens doesn't have a case. And this becomes public record for Fliptard's book.
Fliptard gets to disparage LostMittens in his book, and LostMittens can't do a damn thing about it.
Not very smart, is it?
Greetings Gentlemen,
Seeing the very fine song parodies done recently, I had the notion to pen one of my own. I hope you enjoy it and appreciate I tried to remain close the source material.
Have a pleasant and profitable week.
As always,
I L M S
:: on the back is written ::
Once there was a way... to get sweet cashback
Once there was a way... to get cash back
Sleep pretty darling do not pry
Or else you may unveil my lies
My loan docs I improvised
G S P G's stock will rise
Weep pretty darling for I surmise
... More deceptions will soon arise
Once there was a way... to get sweet cashback
Once there was a way... to get cash back
Sleep pretty darling do not pry
Or else you may unveil my lies
Maybe someone could give fliptard a computer with spyware on it that will surreptitiously wi-fi you all his online shenanigans ... ;)
Actually the phone would make a much better monitoring agent...if you gave him the right one/plan.
Sharkey Said:
> Ahhh, so Fliptard will let these
> allegations made under oath
> stand unchallenged?
Wouldn't put it past CS to open his mouth and say all kinds of stupid things, but...
Won't matter if LiMP says it, it would have to be CS. Otherwise, there is already better evidence.
> I wouldn't put a bit of grand
> mis-direction past the OracleLMP.
I hardly consider LiMP an Oracle, but if that's your view...
I think both he and CS look more like third graders on the playground ready to fight - both hoping the other backs down first and afraid to back down themselves because everyone is watching.
CS's "last chance mark" post from the other day (since removed) was classic.
> Sole ownership of IAFF,and it's
> proceeds,transferred to another party.
> One who is perhaps more inclined to
> repay debts.
That would be a fantastic outcome... but it won't happen. Mark would have to win, not something that will happen immediately (CS / IAFF will be long gone before this case completes with a judgement for).
Mark would also have to show damages - and CS has had offers for the site in excess of what LiMP is suing for... so he would not get sole ownership regardless.
Would it go to a third party? Unlikely. If you sue a business and win, you don't get to seize the business - you just get to -TRY- to collect the money from them.
From Casey's last fradcast, LossMitPro pretty much explained his stance with the law suit.
He said that he and Casey entered into a legal contract to help Casey for free by which Casey then sabbotagaged all of LossMitPro work.
That's breach of contract and LossMitPro has grounds for suing and winning.
What is going to bite Casey hard, is that should Casey argues ANY of LossMitPro acussations, he will open Casey to fraud charges. If Casey says nothing, he loses the case. So Casey is screwed either way.
Casey will be screwed the second he enters a court room. If Casey avoids the law suit, then LossMitPro wins and will be able to after Casey full force.
I forgot to add:
The last thing a Judge will want to hear are things like "shady" and "everyone was doing it" - that is like a HARD slap on any judge (they heard it once too many).
Like any law suit, everything comes out. It will start as a simple breach of contract law suit and quickly expand into the multiple properties Casey bought and that will open Casey up for full discovery of the evidence which Lenders of Casey can use.
@Pleather
All you have to do is send him an email with an attachment that says:
Free Money! No Work! Open for Secret!
He'd open that baby post-haste!
:::yawn::: <--tired. didn't sleep well sans hubby. :(
BTW... beautiful lyrics, Benoit. Quite ingenious (as usual, smahtipants).
Thank you, Steffykins :o)
serinjustice -
Mark knew about all the fraud from when he first worked with CS. He is claiming that CS lured him back a second time...
None of the fraud is relevant to the case and will not be allowed in.
Again, I'd love to see CS nailed to a wall (I'll supply the nail gun!), but this case won't do it.
Add to last:
Unless CS is a complete moron and shoots himself in the foot...
A VERY distinct possibility, given past actions.
We should make this interesting and lay some bets on the outcome.
Yes, Mark knows everything.
What I meant to say is that Mark cannot legally disclosed what he knows, but this suit can open Casey up for "discovery" and that will open the can of worms.
Once the can of worms is open, others who "may have" been defrauded (ie Lenders) will be able to grab that data to go after Casey.
I think there is a bigger picture here being played out.
Think of this as Pandora's box. Mark is simply the opener - which is all it takes to get the ball rolling.
We will see.
We should make this interesting and lay some bets on the outcome.
I'm willing to bet that the suit is either withdrawn by LMP at some point or gets dismissed because of procedural error by LMP. The latter becomes far more likely if/when Marty takes an active interest in the case and hires competent counsel to protect his interest in IAFF continuing to run. Although at this point, I'm not sure if he doesn't see Turdflake as a lost cause/sunk cost. He's got his $5k or whatever from Casey, so there's no need spending money trying to secure an extra couple hundred (possibly $1k) in extra profit from the "book" sales.
segfault said:
"Then there was the time I caught the tail-end of "Dancing With The Stars," which used to be on in the time slot before "Lost." I wanted to eat my hand!"
My sister was visiting for a week, and she actually tivo'ed that crap. Or maybe it was "So You Think You Can Dance". Whatever it was, it was atrocious.
I think Marty's history
2 things Casey has done/said
1. he needs a SEO/traffic guy..the thing Marty was supposed to do.
2. he's editing the book, honestly if you wanted a book to make money WOULD YOU LET CASEY EDIT IT?
Casey is a criminal. Mark wanted clicks. Mark got burned. Mark should cut his losses, lick his wounds and move on. Mark has only himself to blame for sullying his reputation. He had been warned that there was going to be trouble ahead. The haterz were right about that.
And I have a bomb that I will be dropping once I get the go ahead. It concerns a new partnership: Casey and a close family member of yours. Stay tuned. :)
Walt -
The suit also names PageDaddy.com as a defendant. Makes it more likely they will take an active interest.
If either CS or Marty springs for a law-talking-guy, I'll bet quite a bit that Mark will be tossed out in short order. If CS handles this by himself? Well... he'd be stupid.
He has done dumber things, so we'll see.
Folks, Mark has lots and LOTS of experience in law suits.
Marty / Casey have close to zero.
Also, did you know see that the law suit includes his business name (ie. the lawyers in his business)?
It's quiet in here. Looks like those 3 or 4 EN'ers that left took all their extra screen names too. Man even the other EN threads are dead.
Serinjustis -
A lawyer did not write that complaint. Mark wrote it and is representing himself (he has stated that several times).
So at long last I ran afoul of the infrastructure VERIZON has allowed to crumble in my region. Five days ago, a slight wind moved a rotten phone pole accross the street, the stress-relief doodad popped free of the pole itself, and the DSL/phone cable running to my house was sliced through by the sheet-metal edge of a junction box. Five days I had to wait for a repair truck, borrowing friends' bandwidth to deliver work and send business emails, but missing all optional fun news.
Damn. I hadn't even caught up with last week's Kasey Krap. The volume of EN posts since then is daunting. It's getting to be too much like work to follow this soap opera, and we all know work is bad.
Summary anywhere? Perhaps there is a weekly roundup at Caseypedia or elsewhere I do not know about.
And why did I have to activate a Blogger account to post here? Is that a new EN thing or a technical burp?
PF:
Yes, Mark is the one suing.
Why would Mark include QUEUETRAC ASSET SYSTEMS as a plantiff?
Fannn, I feel your pain. I just moved and haven't been online much in the last three-four days.
I've been skimming hundreds of posts here and at IAFF. I'm not good at finding information at Caseypedia (is it just me?) and I don't feel like registering at Caseyhaterz. Thank goodness, because those sites would suck me in for a few more hours.
Serinjustice -
He needs to establish standing. His "liable" (his original statement) claim needs to have a victim. He will try to show that CS damaged the company's reputation. Also applies to his attempts to paint CS as a competitor - needs to have the company involved for this.
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Short EN Re Cap or up date as requested:
Los Mit Pro Left the EN blog to protect legal strategy.
The Dude Started the CaseyHaterz Forum and T is moderator.
Mouse and Pencil said he was 'not going to be around as much'
Casey's Sex Life is 'Through with EN'
Duane said he will never ever leave EN, went to the Forum and came back and said he was leaving EN
Forum has SOME anti EN slant, but
basically EN'ers minus Trolls, (except me, I am staying here)
Casey jubuliant at IAFF cuz the Hartez have had such great dramatic split up. (His IAFF's opinion, His supporterz words, not mine).
Casy posted a list of a bunch of things he wanted for free, car lawyer, that can handle a lot of public attention, lap top that has built in wireless, Cell phone with a lot of minutes, etc.
Casey cave LMP a thread that gave him till today to drop the suit "Or else" then took the threat down.
Casey often refers to "his lawyer", but is is actually just a friend who was a judge, not actually His Lawyer, Casey sez, " I just call him my lawyer." (note he asks for a lawyer above)
Picture this:
"Casey, do you swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?"
Disclaimer: Just the facts as read them, feel free to edit. I am not a reporter or a party to anything. This is not a flame post, just trying to help above behind readers get 'caught up.'
FMW
@fackeners:
Mark wanted clicks.
ITYM "referrals".
Mark's business is clearly mostly word-of-mouth: his website is not soliciting for drive-by business.
Mark wasn't in it for "exposure" in the Serin sense of the word, which pretty much amounts to "I'll drop a few links to you and you'll get sweet, sweet traffic". He clearly doesn't care about raw traffic. Qualified leads, maybe -- but I really doubt how many of those IAFF generates.
Oh and yea, I forgot, Duanne sez G's debt service is $18,000.00 per month, compliments of Casey who is going to Colorado, according to some rumors.
@FMW:
Very succinct summary. Sweet! =]
18k A month? Ouch!
What I don't understand is why was Galina willing to go along with Casey's Fraud so long as Casey was able to make $1,000 a week?
Casey Fannnn:
LMP blew a gasket while talking to Casey on Talkshoe. Pretty funny stuff. Threatened to choke him or something like that.
someone posted a link to caseypedia of a transcript it. Its definitely Must Read.
Monkey, your flight is a thing of airbornity and your warriorness knows no end of warriorousity. Thanks for the kneecap.
In five days there was a civil war at EN? Good gawd. That's as shocking as if I had briefly left the country and returned to find George Bush was illegally installed as the president.
Forum has SOME anti EN slant
Not so -- please don't position caseyhaterz.com as opposing EN, that's really not the case.
What is the case is:
a) a large number of people have moved over to caseyhaterz.com for discussion because the troll problems, and the inherent single-threadedness of the blog format, made discussion here increasingly difficult, and
b) a number of users at caseyhaterz.com have expressed frustration with the slow release, and frequent teasing foreshadowing, of insider information at EN. The common complaint was this: if you can't release the information yet, please stop baiting with "good things are coming" and "if you only knew what I know" previews.
I don't see widespread opposition to EN in the forums at the moment. There was one active thread on "Info Teases", but that's largely died down; most of the discussion there is normal Casey business as usual talk.
EN is not being betrayed, Rob is not being backstabbed; it's just that the forums are a better place for the everyday Casey chitchat than Rob's comments.
except me, I am staying here
I'm here _and_ there. I didn't think I'd like forums, but it's worked out well so far: it's worth a look, at least.
I don't know about "civil war"; but it does feel a little like the aftermath of an earthquake, with communities regrouping and rebuilding.
What I don't understand is why was Galina willing to go along with Casey's Fraud so long as Casey was able to make $1,000 a week?
$50 grand per year? A fortune. This was before the consequences of Casey's adventures were explained to her.
$18k per month in obligations is about right on the high side. On the high side because $18k/mo creates its own financial field and pulls all the high interest rates into lower electron orbits without exploding.
@ notan optimist
Thank you.
@ fackENers, omg, that was big and is a must read.
@ caseyfannnnn,
You are welcome. (Tee Hee)
and yes, a shocker! It was pretty much "not the usual funny blog" there for a couple of days.
Not sure where CHJTS is in this, sure hope he stays and keeps hosting the pod casts, but R Boy is also stayin here with us!
(8:
CHJTS is somewhat burnt out, feels he's too emotionally involved with the saga, and is considering taking several weeks off.
R-Boy has been sighted on the forums and on here.
@ lawnmower man,
Hi.
Well I went there once and that was the only thread I read. So, anyway, I really like the "who shot JR?" cliff hangers and the reveals.
Gives us a chance to play mystery writers.
Aayway, glad you didn't leave and each to his own.
(":
FMW
I don't see widespread opposition to EN in the forums at the moment. There was one active thread on "Info Teases", but that's largely died down; most of the discussion there is normal Casey business as usual talk.
RobDawg,
So are we talking about fluorescent dollar bills?
NR
Sharky will be where the water is bloodiest.
Of course it died down, LMP and Duane have both run off. Duane seemingly after reading some of the things that were posted there.
Less things to talk about, at least until we learn what happens with the suit tommorrow, then the carping about LMP will start up again.
CHJTS is burned out, heck it even looks like Rob Dawg might be burning out.
All the people providing the news/outlets arent inclined to play anymore.
FMW and folks,
Just wanted to agree with LM. I don't see an anti-EN slant at CHC at all, but rather a more diverse collection of opinions and a healthier venue for general discussion. I think anyone who honestly characterizes CHC as an anti-EN forum probably has an overexaggerated sense of EN's importance. This story was always bigger than Rob, Duane, Mark or even Casey.
I was already finding the linear format limiting, which is why I rarely posted except as part of running cast commentary. When the troll invasion hit, and the "good things are coming, no they're not" stuff started, I was beginning to look for the side door.
The only thing that happened here was that the story outgrew Rob/EN, just as it outgrew Casey/IAFF before it. Doesn't at all invalidate Rob's contribution, or make EN a worse place to visit. Personally, I have more reason to visit EN now that it's not trying to do both jobs.
FMW - for the record, I've always liked your comments, and I was waiting this weekend to see you show up at CHC. I'd love to see you consider dual residency. :)
...heck it even looks like Rob Dawg might be burning out.
Does "strategic pacing" work better than burnt out? I am such an olde dawg that I met Marshall Mcluhan at one of those Harvard/MIT speaker thingies.
My playful foreshadowing and subtext via imagery and entendre was a fun distraction but then some people developed a sense of entitlement. It started grating on them that other people might know things they did not. The answer was to pull the telegraphing and stop distributing info as soon as practical. Better? Worse? Not my call.
It was more the way you have said a few things and the "heres the casey topic with a fake timestamp for today so every other post doesnt end up about him".
I value keeping one's word (and not flat out making crap up) above pretty much everything, never had a problem with the baiting.
Rob,
I can't speak for anyone else, but I never had an issue with foreshadowing and subtext. It was playful, smart and fun. You've done a good job with it, and your narrative's been a very welcome change from Casey's hamfisted "it's all good" dialogue.
The thing I hear people saying is that they were getting tired of reading previews for a show that didn't seem to be going on. We'd been hearing "you don't know the full story" from Casey for MONTHS, and now it seemed that everyone had begun doing it.
And not for bad reasons! LMP has a court date to think about, and neither Duane nor you want to inflict damage on innocents just to throw raw meat to the crowd. But where I sit anyway, I think a lot of the conflict would have been defused immediately by just saying, "No news today, will talk when something happens, nothing to see." Instead what people got was, "I got a big bucket of red meat here, and I'm JUST ABOUT to throw it out there, BUT WAIT.."
Regarding Duane leaving, I really do think he was a bit freaked out by 200 users and 1500 posts in 24 hours. He realized he'd become the voice in the whirlwind. I'd have freaked, too.
Rob, take CHC as a compliment. You stewarded the story from Casey's care to the next stage. And you've done a good job with it. Thanks.
Contrary to my harsh feelings the other day, I'll still be here. Dawg has been with us since the beginning and he still has a lot to offer in this saga.
I may post a little less, but if I see Casey doing something bad, I'll be here posting my observations.
As for Mark, Serinjustice covers it better than I ever could. I think Mark has a good chance because (as Sharky is saying) Casey is a fuck up in the worst way. He can't follow through and has no concept of when to shut up.
He will lose this case either by screwing up or in the discovery phase. Regardless of how you feel about Mark, let's give him a chance here. What he is doing is much needed. The law won't do it, so let's hope Mark can.
Casey's afraid folks. Why extort Mark if he isn't?
I'm starting to wonder if most of the recent trolls came from CHC.
Why make a forum due to unhappiness with EN and then continue to post here, mostly about the new forum?
I visited there and it seemed pretty lame to me. I'll be staying right here at EN.
Duane has gotten personally involved in this, he's the one who actually has to deal with Casey's collateral damage on a daily basis.
I think the realization of the degree some people were hoping for the train wreck to have a large number of explosive cars may have hit a nerve.
Plus he has supported LMP, so the voracity of how far under the bus some parties were throwing him probably didnt go over well.
But he does know the really dark interesting details that may prove key in waking Casey up/making him face consequences.
Honestly Wondering said,
"I got a big bucket of red meat here, and I'm JUST ABOUT to throw it out there.."
Sharky said...
Sharky will be where the water is bloodiest.
@ Sharky,
SHARKY! CHUM IN THE WATER!!!!
Tee Hee
@ Honestly Wondering,
Thank you.
(-:
Back atcha.
FMW - for the record, I've always liked your comments,
Rob, take CHC as a compliment. You stewarded the story from Casey's care to the next stage. And you've done a good job with it. Thanks.
Let's not forget too that caseyhaterz.com is pure reaction. There's no new news, no inner circle, no inside scoop there -- it's the same chitchat and banter that used to happen here in pre-troll days.
Rob and Duane are still very much part of the story -- as trusted gatekeepers of the sensitive inside info. (And "trusted" is deliberately double-edged there: I trust 'em to provide well-verified info, their sources trust 'em to carefully protect them.)
Hopefully caseyhaterz.com can help here -- by taking the routine chatter, the wolves howling for new information, and the trolls that feed on the disturbance off Rob's doorstep.
It was more the way you have said a few things and the "heres the casey topic with a fake timestamp for today so every other post doesnt end up about him".
IF I said that I apologize. If I didn't say that then what do you think is the appropriate remedy? Do it now.
Some of these complaints about EN are typical mindless consumer "entertain me now!" drivel.
All of you got so much information here. More than all other sources combined. Then it slows down for a day or two and you bitch and whine.
Stop acting like a bunch of self-absorbed spoiled children.
5:53p observer: I'm starting to wonder if most of the recent trolls came from CHC
From a forum that didn't exist before 48 hours ago? That's some awful fast troll organization - the vast bulk of the trollstorm *I* saw here happened before CHC launched.
Thanks for all the great work rob. I think that the haterz board can take it form here. You've done a great job but sadly its time to pass the torch.
The haterz board is just a much better way to have this discussion. I also have to agree that the baiting posts have turned me off from this site.
BTW this is not the supporter Aaron this is the one and only
Aaron
@everyone
Just to repeat, I did not leave permanently, I just need a break. The trolls were taking over, and there's no point in trying to accomplish anything when the Short Bus Riders are peeing in the corners and eating all the paste.
This seems to have calmed down.
For the record - it had nothing to with nor was I angry at Rob, Duane, Mark, or anyone else BUT the trolls.
So, now we have the forums...which have been needed anyway, and we have EN, as the 'flagship" to the story.
So, as I see it, I'll save the quality for here, and the day to day rambling, snarkiness and such for the boards. Just as it would be had Rob created them.
Works for me. I do need to step back, and I will, but I have a mission, a duty - verily an imperative to keep the koi alive.
(Plus, they were stupid enough to make me a mod. Muahahahahahahahahahah!)
A koi recieved a papercut in the creation of this post
"the vast bulk of the trollstorm *I* saw here happened before CHC launched."
Your point?
If I wanted to drum up support to move somewhere else, that's exactly the strategy I'd use too.
But whatever. I just wish they'd move on and stop cluttering this place up.
@5:45 Honestly:
Good analysis. Let's look at it this way -- we are a mob with finite mob-ergs. If those mobergs are deployed in scouring out info on MurseBoi because no data is on surface, that is fruitful.
Or, if we are here, listening to dissemination of info and participating in strategizing, decision making, interpretation of data, dispatching subgroups, that's pretty efficient.
But if those mobergs are used in guessing, jumping up to the hand that withdraws the toy every time it is teasingly proffered, then set to snarling on each other, well, that is no good, and those mobergs are wasted.
Worse, because the resources and attention are diverted, no NEW and unique routes of investigation or people in the know (contacts) are established. Does anyone believe that R,D,M are somehow the holy anointed troika?
So three bad things happen: Dissension in the ranks, waste of moberg energy, and no new routes of inquiry opened into the subject. Stagflation.
So what to Rob's ego and external claims was just a little funnery, IMHO, had nothing to do with the changing of the GROUP (it did not collectively or individually), it had to do with the changing of the culture of a small insider clique, and insularity that always flows from such apartness.
This is now almost as interesting to me for it's sociological implications as it is for our naughty little fraudster.
Aaron, En and CH can co-exist. No reason for Rob to stop posting his Casey info.
All this talk about trolls, I don't get it. The way to deal with trolls is to ignore them.
The trolls weren't what muddied things up here. Trolls are a given on any active forum. What made a mess was all of you responding to them, giving them an audience and a reason to post.
It can't be much more simple - just ignore them.
Observer, guilty as charged. Guess I thought if you kept the facts out there, they couldn't win. Problem is they were determined to ignore me and others and continue the attacks.
Lesson learned the hard way :(
6:00 PM "observer" Sweet troll, there!
"Gee, was that someone I saw on the grassy knoll over there?"
It won''t work, though. As Dolph has just said, there is room (and in fact need!) for all of the 'instruments' of Casey's undoing now on the web. The big ones to me are Caseypedia, Aspeth, Caseyhaterz and EN, in no particular order.
IAFF is irrelevant, as any info will be de-spun-ified and it's grist fed to the appropriate mills, so no need to go their since it's former (remember months ago?) homespun, naive, lost boy in the big world quality has long been shot to Hell. MurseBoi is outed as a shyster, he no longer is blogging effectively, he doesn't answer posts, the forum there is not needed with better sources of dialog/info...
Anyway, the lose™ (he he) amalgam of independent efforts that collectively are aligned to explore and expose Casey will continue quite effectively.
You Marty trolls might think about asking the boss if there is not some better use he can put your fingers to, like typing up depos, burning files, or something...
Dood,
Maybe Casey should be more scared? Between Rob's contacts and the collective at CH, it could cause him bigger image problems, no?
6:00p observer: If I wanted to drum up support to move somewhere else, that's exactly the strategy I'd use too.
Oh, please. And so now The Dude and T are troll insurrectionists? How about Sprezz - user #4? Benoit, #8? How many of the EN regulars do you want to brand trolls here?
Just trying to figure out if I'm a troll or not, by current EN standards. If so, I'm happy to leave you in peace.
observer said...
Why make a forum due to unhappiness with EN and then continue to post here, mostly about the new forum?
The forums were not created due to unhappiness with EN. We've been asking Rob for forums for several months now. He's been too busy to do it so The Dude took the initiative.
I personally prefer the forum format. I think it makes it easier to separate the discussion into threads that make sense.
It's not a diss to Rob at all. I think it's odd that you would suggest such a thing.
I'm starting to wonder if most of the recent trolls came from CHC.
That's ridiculous. caseyhaterz is not Camp Idiot II.
And *what* recent trolls? I've been reading both sites; the troll activity here died out as soon as the chitchat shifted over to caseyhaterz. Their audience left; nothing for the trolls to feed on.
caseyhaterz is taking a strong anti-troll stance; that's yet to be tested with any real vigor (and I wonder how many sleepers have already registered), but the policy at least seems clear.
continue to post here, mostly about the new forum?
Am I a troll now then?
I've posted here about the new forum because I see the rapid reshaping of the landscape as fascinating. caseyhaters hit critical mass in a matter of hours and is still growing fast -- I find that amazing and interesting.
But whatever. I just wish they'd move on and stop cluttering this place up.
Oh, okay, I see what you're up to there.
Mouse And Pencil said...
(Plus, they were stupid enough to make me a mod. Muahahahahahahahahahah!)
Yeah, what the fuck were they thinking? :)
At 6:07 PM, Dolph said...
Maybe Casey should be more scared? Between Rob's contacts and the collective at CH, it could cause him bigger image problems, no?
Dolph, think about some of the -unintended- consequences. A prison yard hypothetical; "Casey? Casey Serin? The dude who caused an innocent 16 year old girl to become a target of sexual predators? Ohhhh yessss. We know Casey Serin. Hated blogger eh? Welcome to the inner circle of Folsom 'snooooflake....'"
You Marty trolls might think about asking the boss if there is not some better use he can put your fingers to, like typing up depos, burning files, or something...
LOL @ Soom Dood and Honestly Wondering
signed,
The Real FMW's trollie alter ego.
tee hee
Just trying to figure out if I'm a troll or not.
The trolls weren't what muddied things up here. Trolls are a given on any active forum.
Not at the levels that EN saw in the last few weeks.
And ignoring them didn't make them go away; it just made them change tactics.
@FMW
Oh and yea, I forgot, Duanne sez G's debt service is $18,000.00 per month, compliments of Casey who is going to Colorado, according to some rumors.
Where was this? I mentioned the $18K/month here. I did not see anything about Colorado. The $18K was service on all loans including mortgages. I need to go back on the numbers, update for accrued interest and adjust for foreclosed properties and estimated 1099s, followed by what the fed tax would be on that amount and what penalties might apply to not filing estimated tax payments. I would also need to start setting up a ongoing interest schedule on the due tax.
@T
Yeah, what the fuck were they thinking? :)
They need a convenient fall guy?
But who cares, after seeing the shenanigans in the Mod Break Room, I'm stayin!
"Oh, okay, I see what you're up to there."
I'm not up to anything. I hope CHC does take the chatter and clowning away from EN. That's all I saw over there when I visited. Stupid pics and mindless drivel.
Maybe EN can now get back to discussions of substance without all the distractions.
Carry on.
Mouse And Pencil said...
But who cares, after seeing the shenanigans in the Mod Break Room, I'm stayin!
It's the complimentary energy drinks we offer in there that you're after, isn't it?
I'm on to you.
"I did not see anything about Colorado"
Loosely based speculation after a caller on the "Friday Fraudcast" invited Casey to come stay on her small ranch in Colorado. Casey told her to email him.
There's nothing else to it but people guessing.
I did not see anything about Colorado.
@ BJ,
Rumor mill, not a confirmed destination.
observer said...
Maybe EN can now get back to discussions of substance without all the distractions.
Yes, observer, go back to your highbrow, substantial discussions. You pretentious ass clown.
@T
Curses!
Foiled again.
i am mostly anti-troll, but sometimes our righteousness and internet naivete combine to make us juicy targets.
mocha called tavington's talkshoe and that, my friends, is funny. it was an error to attack tavington. supporterz need a troll to string them along.
it's a mistake and an insult to call real critics of our strategies/missteps trolls.
Where the hell is Legion? Has anyone seen him around lately?
@Rob Dawg
$18k per month in obligations is about right on the high side. On the high side because $18k/mo creates its own financial field and pulls all the high interest rates into lower electron orbits without exploding.
I like that explanation. $18K/month means you have $216,000/year in interest payments alone. To pay this with income, you need to invert for taxes (CA 9%, fed 36% I think for this income, might be 33%). This yields a required income of $392,727/year just to cover interest (and pay taxes)..
"T H E I R B A A A C K."
The Movie Poltergeist
TTFN
T, shouldn't you be at your new forum instead of writing personal attacks here?
I'm not up to anything.
Other than insinuating that CHC -- a community formed predominantly of EN regulars -- was, or is, the source of the troll attacks here?
You see a split and you're busily trying to hammer a wedge into it.
Where is Failing Forward?
observer said...
T, shouldn't you be at your new forum instead of writing personal attacks here?
You're not the boss of me. Besides, Rob thinks I'm groovy. He likes it when I post here.
@ T,
So do I.
FlyingMonkeyWarrior said...
Where is Failing Forward?
Good question. I haven't noticed him around lately.
FlyingMonkeyWarrior said...
@ T,
So do I.
<3
lawnmower man,
I'm not trying to do anything. It was just an observation. It does seem like more than a coincidence.
I've been here for many months. I've followed the IAFF story since the first week. I've made many posts here, there and other places. Among other things related to this story. I think I'm at least a bit in tune with things.
I'm not here for entertainment either.
Do I think all of the trolls are related to CHC? Nope.
Do I think some of them are? Yup.
T,
Do you feel like a fool for giving Casey money? What were you thinking? Were you drunk or high or something?
Just curious.
Mark, Duane and Sharkey were so punk'd Friday night. Pink Lips is obviously a man. I also think he's a radio pro. Pink Lips is a good Phil Hendrie clone.
It wasn't T's money, rather it was a guy named Stanley (aka, The Dude I believe).
$18K/month means you have $216,000/year in interest payments alone. To pay this with income, you need to invert for taxes (CA 9%, fed 36% I think for this income, might be 33%). This yields a required income of $392,727/year just to cover interest (and pay taxes).
Correct. If you actually manage a few $18k/mo payments you are obviously more creditworthy in these circumstances. First, the penalties stop and a clever debtor can "parallel renegotiate" the rest. Suddenly $18k/mo loads become half that. All of a sudden you find yourself in a situation where a young hard working entrepeneur can work those two W-2 jobs and supplement the rest with success.
At that point even the taxes get easier. The IRS does not want to prosecute and certainly does not want prision. Both cost -money- and they don't cost they produce.
Casey working two sh!t jobs or even finding a way to work 2 good jobs fixes everything. There's not a haterz™ I know who wouldn't applaud. He won't work and then waggles his tiny pee pee at those of us who do.
Why's Casey need to work?
Once that book comes out....
; )
Yep, Oprah, NY times bestseller book tour of the country..wait the WORLD.. He's already got it all planned out.
...and on the way back he will cash his commission check for selling the casino ITS ALL GOOD!
observer said...
T,
Do you feel like a fool for giving Casey money? What were you thinking? Were you drunk or high or something?
Just curious.
ROFL
You say you've been here for a while, right? And at IAFF since the first week, I believe? Well, then you should already know the answer to that question, smart guy.
I think some of us are just sick of the bait and don't deliver tactics that go on here. The new forums are a much better place for the discussion to go on. Troll or not lets be honest. The board is going to take over on the saga. Rob has done an outstanding job and now this blog can get focused on the original intention. Sure the traffic will decrease substantially but thats not for us haterz to worry about. Thanks for everything Rob but I'm gonna be moving to the board. I've had alot of good discussions with everyone here but its time to move on.
Y'know, there's one thing that has utterly mystified me about the people who have tried "helping Casey".
Why HIM?
Your instinct to help does you credit, but your choice of whom to help...what the fuck, over?
I carry a first-aid kit and a box of maxi-pads in my car, and I do stop at accidents.
Have been able to render assistance in more than one case,(I'm a compassionate sadist,or something weird like that, I guess).
Once I stopped at a single-car crash...car ate a tree,tree ate the car.
Driver had at least a broken nose and missing teeth from eating the steering wheel or the dashboard, (these were the pre-airbag days).
He was also blotto...I could smell the booze-funk on him from 2 yards away.
I turned around, got back in my car, and drove off.
Did he live? Did he die?
I don't care...fuck him.
There's a difference between helping someone who's TRYING to stay afloat,and towing some worthless deadbeat across the ocean.
It bugs me that there are people who are far,FAR more worthy of help than this little reptile.
Think of some single mother busting her ass working two shit jobs AND trying to raise her kids up right.
@Rob Dawg
The $18K/month is without penalties (since Casey's Reality-Distortion-Field™ was not being very open about such things, I couldn't include them.. maybe because the mail was not getting opened).
But you can renegotiate the rates down which would help considerably.
Even still, $0 to $392,727 is one heck of a bit of jump in income. He needed to shed debt quickly and pro actively way back when he started the blog. The biggest single $ burners were the houses. My last post over on IAFF was with respect to Buckaroo Banzai. I was tempted to call in on one of the fraudcasts™ and explain it but I would not be in the 'how do you feel about that' mood.
ass clown
T... You rock.
@BJ
What did you base the 18k on?
I dont know that we have an accurate picture of exactly how deep of a hold Casey is in, mostly because CASEY doesnt know how deep of a hole he's in. (but he promises to find out this week)
All the houses are gone so its just the credit debt and any residual from the foreclosures.
Well said Sharky. I don't understand why Rob is constantly defending Mark. Mark is clearly a bottom feeder just looking for some notoriety. I guess that the 25 drinks a day are affecting his reasoning. Hey Rob you better cut back or diabetes will surely creep up on you.
Hey Mark, I gave Casey 50 bucks last night please sue me!!
@relentless
Casey had a spreadsheet up (finally put up after much prodding, poking and electric cattle prods). It sort of detailed his assets/debts. I sucked it into Excel and then did a quick column looking just at the interest rates and outstanding debts to find out what the monthly interest burn was. It came out to roughly $18K at the time.
I checked my stored link and it looks like it has been taken down (Part of Casey's history revision within his Reality-Distortion-Field™). I still have the Excel file though..
One thing that get me aback about Casey 'wayback' then, was that he calls himself a businessman and entrepreneur, but never ran a quick, back of the scratchpad, raw cash burn estimate.
It is so obvious and fundamental to any business that doing it goes without saying.
Why do people try to help Casey...ego and money.
If you are in a business that helps people like Casey and you can pull off a case THIS big...nothing but good for the ego and future press.
Trouble is Casey won't go along with the program as we all know.
@bj
yes I know about the spreadsheet, it was so far out of date it wasnt funny, its on his "todo list" to update it for this week (he says).
Pretty sure that was pre-foreclosures.
They try for many different reasons.
He is young and got himself over his head, so they feel sorry and try to help. (the young and got himself over his head is something he plays up a lot, his song on the violin so to say).
Another is reputation, exposure. If you can pull a debt loss mitigation of this size, you would get a good reputation and good exposure. This is kind of what LossMitPro was looking at. Casey would benefit and so would LMP. Needless to say, Casey would not go along with getting his affairs in order and was proverbially chasing the shiny object.
@relentless
It was pre foreclosures. That is why I need to go back and estimate the banks loss, figure out what the 1099 would look like and then penalties the IRS/FTB would assess for not doing estimated tax payments on the amount.
BTW, many people assume that not having any money left/not debt/assets etc. would leave you free and clear of 1099s. The Dot-Com bust showed many people the errors of that assumption.
A 1099 is a capital gain/loss statement. Forgiveness on a loan is considered a short term capital gain and treated as income.
Stephanie J. said...
ass clown
T... You rock.
I think you're pretty awesome, too.
Just seemed like EN became more ego driven with some of the personalities, rather than just hate and make fun of casey driven. IMHO, that brought a lot of the trolls out.
I gotta go now.. but if Rob Dawg or any of the other Dog-pound members has time; it might be interesting to track down all of the foreclosed properties and identify what the bank offloaded them at by looking at the sale immediately after foreclosure. (sales history going back 1 to 2 years would allow me to find the bank's sale easily).
I think it might also be useful for Galina, etc to have an idea what the IRS might be looking at. It might also help Casey get a grasp on the size of what the the IRS's may be looking at, though I think it would not register with Casey. No longer his property, out of mind....
Y'all are right.
Ego, reputation,and perhaps a misplaced maternal instinct.
There's just been a whole lotta good help wasted on the fuckwit.
It's the little mundane everyday miracles that make the difference though.
Wastewater management, indoor plumbing, safe reliable electricity, A/C and refrigeration.Transportation, telecommunications.
Without those, we'd die of cholera at 40,or in chidlbirth at 18.
Walk a colonial or antebellum graveyard sometime to see the truth of it.
George Meany of the AFL-CIO once said that he'd prefer to live in a town that had lost all of its lawyers than live in a town that lost all of its' plumbers.
Meany was as full of shit as any other Yoonyun Prezzy-dent, but I think he had a valid point there.
Rich men who need hobbies should take a long hard look around before embarking on a Casey project.
You'll get to Cooperstown also if you never hit a home run, but always single every time you're at bat.
Sharky said...
misplaced maternal instinct.
I resemble that remark.
I can understand wanting to help KC. Now, in my mid-thirties, I'm a down-to-earth business owner. But I've always had the entrepreneurial dream, and in my early twenties, I was just like KC, just a little more realistic. I listened to the "Gurus" (but didn't spend thousands on them), I wanted to get into real estate (Bay Area late nineties - could have made some serious money, but realized that being highly leverages was extremely dangerous). There but for the Grace of God go I, you know?
It's too bad, for the poor little psychopath, because when he started the blog, he received advice that was priceless. It took me ten years of hard work to learn the lessons people offered to share with him. If KC only had it in him to take good advice, I think he might have been a good part of the way out of his financial trouble by now.
@cacipeterson
Just seemed like EN became more ego driven with some of the personalities, rather than just hate and make fun of casey driven.
I would tend to disagree. Historically this place got the highest troll response when issues contradictory to the Casey Reality-Distortion-Field™ were brought to light. There was a slight delay and then suddenly the trolls. There were trolls that wanted to make light of something serious and try to get a response and there were some trolls that seemed to want to reduce the board to infighting amongst members so that traffic to the blog drops. This blog also had a sharp increase in trolls when the Casey-Marty team-up occurred. It is kind of ironic that any trolling actually helped increase this blogs 'view counts' because trolls were incessantly refreshing to find something to 'bark' at.
I found the trolls irritating but easy to deal with. Think 8 to 13yr old mentality with nothing better to do.
@CedarPine
It's too bad, for the poor little psychopath, because when he started the blog, he received advice that was priceless. It took me ten years of hard work to learn the lessons people offered to share with him.
I noticed that too, and pointed it out to him on his blog. There was even someone who posted a list of 3 books you should read if you are serious about Real Estate investing (this person was successful). Total cost if buying was under $150, but you could read them at a public library. Much less than the $15K for some Guru's scaminar.
PS: Anyway, really gotta leave now.
CedarPine:
" I wanted to get into real estate (Bay Area late nineties - could have made some serious money, but realized that being highly leverages was extremely dangerous). There but for the Grace of God go I, you know?"
Perhaps so, But I suspect that good old common sense had as much to do with it,(another of those mundane miracles that makes all the diff).
Grace of God?
When I was an amphibious creature, I stood one day in a formation with other amphibians.
9 of us were detailed off and marched away. I was not among 'em.
Those 9 all died in Beirut...I got to pack sand in California's High Desert for 3 and a half years.
THAT,to me, was the Grace of God.
Sharky said...
THAT,to me, was the Grace of God.
Amen to that, brother.
CedarPine:
You are absolutely correct. If I ever got in to troubles like Casey (no, i'm not that dumb), I would honestly be scared to death. I would be so grateful if someone like Duane came along and gave me a ray of sunshine and a way to get the hell out of the hole I was in. Casey is just wired wrong.
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