Tuesday, March 06, 2007

Neutron Housing (Raw Meat Edition)


Neutron Housing leaves the building but disappears the owner.

These Invisible Homeowners are illegal aliens who have pooled resources and bought houses all over this part of the country. When things get tough they aren’t going to go to court mandated credit counseling. They not only don’t have any skin in the housing game they don’t have any skin in our laws or society. There won’t be anyone to go after to recover payments. So, what you get is 3 months of no payments the bank officer shows up at the property to find four families living there but no one knows the person whose name is on the mortgage. The place has been divided up, the garage converted, mini kitchens in many rooms, etc. It’ll be another two months before things can be straightened out then the evictions and then the repairs…. a real mess all this time the bank is running up massive expenses. The original people with names on the mortgage have taken an extended vacation south of the border and presumably are never coming back but instead their lookalike cousin will come back. “Oh no, I am not Miguel, Miguel is my cousin, I am Juan.”

Illegal immigration is a net benefit to the Federal govt. Billions of SocSec deposits (taxes) collected annually that will never be paid back for but one example. It is locally that we suffer. Ventura County is hiring 22 translators. English? No, these people will be translating Mixteca to Spanish because there are 10,000 Mixtecans here that neither speak Spanish or read and write in any language. The job of the translators will be to get these people access to the free services in the county. Walk a mile in my shoes, go to my daughters high school for parents night and sit through the Principal’s speech anf then sit through the translation. For both there is also an ALS translator. So, instead of a free laptop for every legal resident we get to pay for the Spanish translator and trilingual signer. Hey, everybody who thinks there is a net benefit is welcome to pay my uninsured motorist insurance.

My point is that there is as much housing danger associated with “stated residence” as there is with “stated income.” Both -should- raise the risk premium but as we are finding out, not enough. Heck, let’s not even imagine stated residence applies only to immigration status, look at all the people who bought investment properties claiming primary residence.

When my ancestors crossed the border it was legal. Anyone wishing to assert that the current rule of law is wrong/immoral whatever is invited to unlock their doors and publish their address.

I invite you to Ventura County for evidence that the resources being consumed are both scarce and expensive. We can visit my daughters' High School where translator salaries alone would cover a new laptop for every student every year. We can visit the local Catholic hospital and county hospital emergency rooms. We can meet with the Supervisors to discuss the recent hiring of 24 translators to facilitate access to free services. Those translators? Mixteca to Spanish, no English required to avail oneself of the free clinics here. Then we can stop off at county health where the director can explain the prepartions for the coming drug resistant TB epidemic and the current Whooping Cough problem. As we continue our tour a quick stop off at my insurance agent so you can see the premiums for uninsured motorist coverage which while driving without insurance illegal is not enforcable as actually asking is an intrusion into the drivers' possible immigration status. Of course this will take a long time as we don't have the billions in infrastructure funding necessary to accommodate the traffic. No coincidence that Oxnard has some of the highest density, most illegals, worst traffic and most overcrowded living conditions in the nation.

This is about illegal immigration, several supporters' claims do not address the distinction. This is to be expected as those who try to claim benefit are actually trying to blur the difference for their own purposes.
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Something to talk about until Casey does something stupid again.

61 comments:

Anonymous said...

1st, Gringo's!

Anonymous said...

don't call me a gringo you stinkin wetback

Northern Renter said...

I don't got to show you no stinking budgies!

NR

Anonymous said...

pretty much down the street from you, Rob. it is a sad situation. if my parents can do it right from the motherland, they should have to as well.

-magyar lany

king friday the 13th said...

The People's Republic of California is screwed long-term. Period.

currently I'm in grad school elsewhere, but I've lived and worked in Silicon Valley. And given my specialization (PhD in Computer Science), the best research jobs in my field are located there unfortunately. So, I will probably be forced back.

What bugs me is that if I got the same job at 1/2 to 2/3 of a typical SV salary, I could live like a king anywhere else in the country, and have a much, much higher standard of living. I would be happier (bigger house, better schools), and so would my employer (lower salary, lower costs).

Sadly, nobody will build research labs in smaller, cheaper, out-of-the-way places. NC may be an option though, but RTP is quickly turning into Northern VA. not good.

Sooner or later, tech companies will realize that the cost of doing business in CA will be too great, and they could save a ton of $$$ (in salaries alone) by moving out of CA. I'm actually glad these companies (including some of my former employers) are having trouble recruiting people to SV because of the high living cost. Hopefully they will move the jobs to better locations.

Sorry, for my anti-CA rant. But, I'm a country boy at heart.

Anonymous said...

Theyre just taking services Americans dont want!

Anonymous said...

Uno beaners!

Nigel Smarmy said...

Yea, latrinos, illegal criminals.

They have killed more americans than 911 plus the fake iraq war.

Sick of it, if I wanted to live in a third world shithole, I'd move to Tiajuana. In the mean time I do not appreciate my country being turned into a third world shithole via these criminals.

Posted something like this at another blog and got blasted for being a RACIST. That's the most evil thing a white person could be, worse than serial killer.

To all you brainwashed white people ,
F you. It's perfectly okay for the so called minorities to be racist,
la raza, naacp et al, but in the mean time idiot white people, YOU are the world wide minority.

You are so busy paying for everyone else, you will be extinct.

king friday the 13th said...

awww, from snowflake's latest post... it appears that casey took nigel's prune!

"[Nigel] had his first wheatgrass shot with me as we talked about future possibilities for our blogs."

awww. such a tender moment. I didn't click on the photo ... cause well ... king friday isn't into that kind of thing. but, to each his own... but for Nigel the bone!

Anonymous said...

@ 1:08.

Welcome back Tim from MBA

Who pays for the emergency room visits? said...

Not sure how many of you have been to a hospital emergency room in California, but…

Anonymous said...

Nothing worse than having a real emergency and having to wait, with my health insurance card in my pocket, while a couple of beaners get treated for something minor.

Or get rear ended (not a Nigel type rear ending) by a car with a couple illegals in it. Watch them flee the scene and the unregistered, uninsured car that they paid $500 cash for. And of course, I get stuck paying for it because there is no way to track them down. "No police, no police!" as they run into the woods.

NIGEL LOATHER said...

@ Anonymous

You really are a stupid fuck, aren't you?

I'm not Tim, but you are still stupid. Do you have any idea what the illegals are costing us? No, of course not you, asshole. Eat shit and die fool, I hope some drunk illegal creams you in a wreck, your recourse?
zero.

Anonymous said...

@1:49.

That sounds exactly like something Tim would say as he was going off the deep end.

NIGEL LOATHER said...

@1:49.

my name is nigel loather,

and you are an idiot already off the deep end. I really love the identity theft, how bout you asshole? Oh, lets not forget, I just love paying for their fake emergency hospital visits.

So Fuck off asshole, I'm just jane taxpayer sick of paying for illegals. I suggest you move 50 into your home, then you can criticize, stupid but go ahead and try.

I bet you are scum NIGEL!

TK said...

Hey NIGEL LOATHER,

Illagals cost me about $8 an hour. How bout you?

Anonymous said...

Infrequent poster, frequent reader, but this post and some of the comments raised my ire. Have you ever been stuck without health insurance and ended up in a facility that offered reduced rates for the poor or the temporarily impoverished, i.e., those living off student loans? Have you ever taught English to immigrants, whether legal or illegal?

If so, then you would have seen fellow human beings who had no opportunity to earn a living in their home countries and came here. To survive. Not every immigrant is "good" or "bad". But many of the people I met through these experiences are hard-working, with hands like leather, cut and scarred by an employer hiring them at sub-standard wages and driving up profits while driving DOWN prevailing wages in the area.

Next time you stop at a hardware store and see the people standing outside waiting for work, think about whether you would hire one of them to help you with your weekend project. How much are you willing to pay someone? Would you ask their immigration status? Would you go through the extra expense of hiring a licensed contractor? Why? Why not? Are the legal penalties too great? Why NOT?

How does this extend to other employers?

Would you take the sorts of jobs that illegal immigrants have typically performed? Would you scrub other peoples toilets, pick their crops, slaughter their animals, process their poultry? Why or why not? Would you do any of these jobs for $10 an hour? For the rest of your life?

The people who are hear illegally, the rise in car insurance prices, the strain on emergency rooms, these are all SYMPTOMS.

Nebraska

Anonymous said...

LOL @ TK

2:02 Tim from MBA. Moving 50 illegals into one of my homes is the only worthwhile thing you've said. $50 illegals x $50 a week cash. You probably aren't too good at math so I'll tell ya, $130k/year on a place I only paid $50k for. That is a sweet deal. Thanks Tim!

NIGEL LOATHER said...

@ tk

I don't hire "illagals"

uh by the way, it is a criminal offense, racist asshole.

Anonymous said...

Oops. My emotions got the better of me: That last sentence should read "HERE" not "hear."

Nebraska

NIGEL LOATHER said...

@anonymous asshole:

moving 50 illegals into your property, your neighbors should kill you. Fuck off asswipe. Hope your property is trashed and all your checks bounce! You are really a jerk!

Rob Dawg said...

Nebraksa,
I think you are missing some of the larger forces. Their homelands are impoverished because their most ambitious, able bodied are decanted and exploited here. The compassionate thing would be to leave them at home where their efforts directly improve their societies' general condition. We do a great disservice to attract and use them here.

T said...

I truly dislike the racism being spewed in these comments. Shame on you.

My grand parents came straight off the banana boat from Italy. And thank God for that. Growing up on Long Island, were were treated like second class citizens because we're Italian. It's not a good feeling, I'll tell you that.

Who wouldn't want to come to a country were work is available? I know if I were a poor Mexican woman, I'd do everything I could go get my ass over to America to give my children a better life.

It's one thing to discuss the pros and cons of illegal immigration in a constructive manner and quite another to talk trash. Let's elevate the discussion, shall we?

Having said all that, I wish Vague Guru was around to spoil me with a sweet photoshop of this pic.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_0ikf8kb5Jg8/Re2_bR4zROI/AAAAAAAAAZU/OfmxOwM2xVU/s1600-h/Jamba+002.jpg

Anonymous said...

@ Tim MBA 2:23.

I'm going to have them pay cash buddy. Why are you getting mad? It was your idea.

NIGEL LOATHER said...

Excuse me T?

Racism? I object to being invaded by hoardes of mexicans, illegal

You call it racism?

Are you retarded or what?

Retarded, in the meantime ms dogooder
please pay my share of the illegal alien bill.

otherwise fuck off with your dudley goodness

Rob Dawg said...

Some people can't handle the truth so they try to tip over the table. Ignore the rants. Goos stuff here if you look.

T said...

NIGEL LOATHER said...
Excuse me T?

Racism? I object to being invaded by hoardes of mexicans, illegal

You call it racism?

Are you retarded or what?

No, I'm not retarded, but I bet your mother dropped you on your head when you were a baby.

Go back to the meth lab/trailer you call your home and go fuck your sister, you ignorant piece of shit.

racism

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
Function: noun
Date: 1933

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

T said...

NIGEL LOATHER said...
Excuse me T?

Racism? I object to being invaded by hoardes of mexicans, illegal

You call it racism?

Are you retarded or what?

No, I'm not retarded, but I bet your mother dropped you on your head when you were a baby.

Go back to the meth lab/trailer you call your home and go fuck your sister, you ignorant piece of shit.

racism

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
Function: noun
Date: 1933

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Anonymous said...

Hi Robert,

I absolutely agree that the homelands are done a disservice when the most ambitious (revolutionary?) young persons come here. What is the alternative for these people?

Ideally, they would be able to lobby their governments for change in land usage laws, land ownership, wage and hour laws, and the like. What is the likelihood of that happening? What role do our government and our consumer tendencies have in shaping the government and economic forces in other countries?

I am not saying that illegal immigration is "okay". I am advocating taking a look in the mirror.

Are we, culturally, willing to give up a standard of living based on cheap consumer goods, cheap foods, cheap services, and to pay what these things actually cost in terms of worker well-being (living wage, adequate health insurance) and environmental pollution?

As long as we accept the cheapness, we have to put up with the other symptoms. Since we buy cheap on one end (cheaper initial costs), then profit (through stock market increases from higher profitability produced by lower wages), but it ends up costing more on the other (increased health care premiums, uninsured motorist premuims).

When I say "we", I mean this in a cultural sense. Not trying to attack anyone personally.

Nebraska

NIGEL LOATHER said...

Goos?
Good?


It really sucks, I'm not racist but yet. I will not file tax returns with identity theft, according to idiot whites here, I'm Tim.

Oh well you idiot whites will find out about your worthless paper investments soon enough.

And to the world class ASSHOLE
I'm not tim.

T said...

I've just put your on ignore. You're not worth my time.

Anonymous said...

@ Nigel Loather.

Hola Amigo. I come to dis county to make money to send home. I work hard. I think I replace roof on your trailer. You no want to pay me for job I do. But I cut tire on your Ford Focus. I get you back Amigo. I get you back.

Anonymous said...

@ Tim MBA 2:50.

"according to idiot whites here"

Interesting. Interesting indeed.

Rob Dawg said...

Nebraska,
Pls use the "other" button and graduate past anonymous.

I also agree that our political complacency is in large part responsible for the pain on both sides. We cannot continue to be a pressure valve for the necessary changes in their societies.

That said it isn't really about our comsumptive lifestyles being subsidized by their hard work. I contend that we are held back as much as they. Without the pull of cheap available labor we'd have automated those jobs long ago and exported that learned expertise to the benefit of the rest of the world.

Like you, no personal attacks, justr societal criticism.

Stephanie J. said...

I personally get really angry at people who come into this country illegally, because I know what my father had to go through to become an american and earn a right to live here; and it seems deeply unfair that people can just sneak in when others have to jump through ridiculous hoops.

I don't think it's very fair that some folks believe themselves entitled to what others had to work for.

T said...

I'm picking up what you're throwing down, Steph... but it's plain to see that desperate times call for desperate measures and if I were peso-less in Mexico and did not have the means to come to America legally, I'd do whatever I needed to do to get myself and my kids to America so that we could eat. Doesn't make it right, but it's just the way it is.

Stephanie J. said...

And my dad was running from a revolution in Hungary and had nothing to go back to, and nobody to go to.

He still did what he had to do.

Stephanie J. said...

This is a deeply personal issue for everyone.

T said...

And God bless him for that. But again, if I could not find the means to feed my kids in Mexico, trust and believe that NOTHING could keep me from making sure they had a better life. Nothing.

I think if we stop looking at them like "those illegals" and start looking at them like the PEOPLE that they are....poor people at that who don't come here to sit on their asses (for the most part) but rather who come here to work for wages we would scoff at and they work their asses off for us.

Surely they deserve a bit of empathy and understanding.

T said...

Stephanie J. said...
This is a deeply personal issue for everyone.



I find that most important issues usually are.

NIGEL LOATHER said...

Excuse me T

You evil cunt

you pay their costs

oh yea
worthless bitch

i am not tim

T said...

Indeed I CAN be an evil cunt. You're right on the money in that respect. And if you were standing in front of me right now, trust and believe, I'd spit in your face right after I punched you in the throat.

Have a nice day. :)

Who pays for the emergency room visits? said...

Things certainly are getting strange earlier than usual around here.

aaron said...

living in northern VA I see and live both sides of this coin. We have several areas where people gather for day labor. I have sympathy for them.

That being said...my wife went through one hell of a time keeping her status in this country legal. She's Czech and did everything by the books. The fees she paid over that past several years are a bit high but the CRAP you put up with from USCIS is bullshit. I came so very close to being arrested b/c of the antics those idiots pull. I see why folks from down south stay illegal. why go legal? the fees, the bullshit.

govt BS does a great job at it. Ok maybe I'm just venting my .02. It sucks really bad for those doing it legally.

Rob Dawg said...

It's my fault. I'm used to discussing illegal immigration with a bunch of assumed ground rules that clearly weren't understood by some of the posters. There's no race in immigration policy. There's no gray area as to soverignty. There's little left of the claim that illegal immigration is a net positive.

aaron said...

Rob,
You just hit a touchy subject. Everyone one of us here probably has feelings about this.

I apologize if I did not understand your ground rules. I know it is an even bigger problem out there. We deal with immigrants more from central america.

I reiterate though that the government creates the problem to an extent. There are many illegals that are not mexican or even from anywhere south of the border. Legals from other countries give up on the process b/c it is a nightmare.

BACK TO OUR REGULAR TOPIC said...

KASEY IS TEH GHEY~~!!!

Anonymous said...

Of course, it can be important to one person because it's a cause to be righteous about, or it can be important to another because it directly affects them.

Stephanie J. said...

Oh, just calm down everyone; it's not like you're going to convince anyone otherwise. Nobody's 100% right (or RIGHTEOUS) or 100% wrong; except the foul-mouthed goober who can't resist resorting to childish behaviour when he's lacking for a decent reply.

I'm tired. I'm going to take my half-Hispanic ass to the kitchen like a good little woman, and cook dinner.

Later.

Seafood Vegan said...

I'm definitely down with immigration reform (no more Uzbekis), but I don't get the hatred towards our border-crossing buddies. I don't want to be doing the jobs they're doing. If they don't learn English they're screwing themselves over in the long run. And their kids are going to be just as American as you and me. (like it or not)

If the problem is so bad in Cali, maybe it's because Cali makes it too easy on them. Otherwise, why aren't they heading elsewhere? (Yes, I know that they are to a certain degree but Cali is the magnet.) If you don't like it, don't vote for it. And if the vote passes, that's a little thing called democracy so suck it up beaner haters. Maybe more of us lazy honkies should have gotten off our lazy asses and voted. (We were probably too busy blogging.)

What I don't understand is why recent immigrants (illegal or not) tend to move to extremely expensive areas (Cali, NYC, etc.) I'm sure ot has to do with living somewhere that has an established base opf people of your own nationality, but seriously why cram into a tiny apartment in Queens when you could go work the same shitty job in Ohio and double your standard of living?

Note to California: Stop hogging all the illegals.

Note to illegals: I know where a sweet home is in Modesto ripe for squatting.

Katie said...

Steph, I'm with you.

I'm taking my own non-white ass down to the dining room to have dinner with my husband.

Dustin said...

Nebraska,

Just last week, my girlfriend's grandmother had a stroke. This is an 80+ year old woman who has worked hard all her life, followed the rules, and obtained adequate insurance to pay for her medical needs.

She waited for hours at Long Beach Memorial before she was even admitted. Meanwhile, numerous "indigents" came to the hospital for assorted non-critical medical services. I don't know for a fact that they were all illegal, but many of them were, just as many are in nearly every emergency room in the country.

After my girlfriend's grandmother was finally admitted, hours later, she was take to ICU, and it was learned that her stroke had caused serious neurological damage.

This anecdote is just an illustration of one of the many real costs of illegal immigration. So are the higher medical costs we all pay. The higher health insurance premiums we or our employers pay, the higher car insurance premiums we pay, the declining quality of schools and overstressed infrastructure are a few of the others.

I do not hire illegal immigrants, and I am willing to pay more. This is a market failure caused by our state and federal governments. If immigration laws were enforced and the border was secured the market would reprice things. Medical costs would go down, produce costs would go up. The unskilled labor market and produce market would likely rise in price. But make no mistake we all pay. Take a look at the percentage of illegal immigrants in the California prison system for a further example.

And yes, my Irish ancestors were certainly discriminated against. So what? That was wrong, but that is no justification for the broken system we have here.

RIP Baudrillard said...

Personally, I miss Tim and that troll wasn't him.

Stephanie J. said...

No. Tim knew how to spell.

sid_finster said...

The language/reasoning/racial rants sound like the racist dots from FC and/or St*rmfr*nt have infected EN.

We had a good run while it lasted. In the meantime, nobody feed the trolls!

bemused guy said...

What has bemused me...
The general perception is that California in general is a very laid-back, liberal state. After all, it leads the rest of the US with things like, banning Halloween in elementary school because it offends some people.

Yet mention illegal immigrants who sneak across the border to try and earn a living and KA-POW!... interesting.

Rob Dawg said...

Yet mention illegal immigrants who sneak across the border to try and earn a living and KA-POW!... interesting.

Let's see; crushing taxes, congestion, failing infrstructure from roads to healthcare to schools, high cost of living, unrepresentative government, negative federal dollars, crime, poverty...

Every one exacerbated by illegal aliens. If they paid taxes, registered their cars with insurance, weren't exploited in wages and law enforcement matters, bought health insurance, on and on then there would be little to complain about. But if they did those things 1/3rd of the Mexican economy would disappear and instead recirculate in the US economy. If.

magyar lany said...

@stephanie J. - fellow magyar. i love that. looks like we feel the same way. must be in the blood.

Rob Dawg said...

I cannot think of any costs that would permanently go up. There will be some temporary dislocations but pricing pressures will lead to automation and market efficiencies thereafter.

I look forward to robots picking strawberries.

bogalusan said...

@Rob Dawg -
You wrote: "I contend that we are held back as much as they. Without the pull of cheap available labor we'd have automated those jobs long ago and exported that learned expertise to the benefit of the rest of the world."

Amen. I think of the end of slavery in the U.S. and the start of farm mechanization, which turned out to be a Very Good Thing. Wrt illegals, that isn't the only parallel with slavery that comes to mind. From what I've seen, a lot of illegals are greatly mistreated on the job, things that Americans wouldn't stand for. It doesn't say anything very nice about us as a people, those who want that system to go on so they can save a few dollars a year. Very hypocritical, that we'll get angry about sweatshops in foreign countries making consumer goods for the U.S. market, yet praise the supposedly hardworking illegals that do "jobs Americans won't do."

I do hard physical labor for pay sometimes, and I am adequately compensated for it and covered by disability and worker's comp. But then, my employer isn't a criminal. A heck of a lot of illegals came to the Katrina zone to work. I can assure you that although they may have been paid lower wages than Americans, and their employers weren't filling out the right paperwork, the jobs weren't costing any less - because the employers were bidding the same, and making a bigger profit.

Greed is NOT good.

When we allow a whole bunch of cheap and illegal labor into the U.S., we don't do our own citizens any good service in the long run. Plenty of our own people cannot advance beyond menial, manual labor. What are we doing to them, when we have illegal labor in this country that is willing to do it cheaper and with none of the paperwork? I generally believe in capitalism as a good thing, supply and demand and all that; illegals, and the people that hire them, operate outside the supply-and-demand and screw it up for everyone else.

What I have read about food prices is that farm labor is a very small percentage of what your food costs. Farm labor could double in cost, and it would mean a few cents' difference in the supermarket to the consumer.

Stephanie J. said...

@Magyar
::smile:: Magyars RULE!