No bombs exploded. Casey's need to control has extended to the fraudcasts and they no longer serve as a source of reliable information. Casey has circled his one lone wagon. Casey believes he is partly responsible for his situation. Casey still believes debt is income. Casey is still spending OPM like water. We need the plate number of the truck he's using. Is it a rental? Casey absolutely flat out anti-truth lies about supporting his wife. Think about all his financial obligations and sources of money and now make a small leap; CASEY THINKS EVERYTHING IS EITHER A COST OR PROFIT. Everything. E-v-e-r-y-thing. You, me, debt, taxes, contracts, relationships. Think about that next time you have a question or comment. Is your question or comment explained by Casey's twisted worldview seen above? Cashback is PROFIT. Mortgage payments are COSTS. On and on.
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murst?
mother f'er.
My first FIRST, my first MURST... *sobs* I never thought I'd see the day!
heh, heh... sorry NGB.
FYI, Miguel's been doing some crazy transcription over at CaseyPedia. *applause*
I am back and alive in my cozy home.
Let's just say, "Casey is a trip."
Too surreal. Did I spell that right?
That's it for the moment, sadly - got to deal with my W-2 cubicle-dwelling looser family or something like that. But I wanted to get the really important stuff up (Nigel, Duane, Mark) as quickly as I could.
LMP: I got goddamn news for you. You got a problem. You got a real big problem. Because I'm going to go for your fucking throat if you keep it up. Do you understand? Do I make myself clear? Yes or no.
Yeah, that's a professional speaking. Not! I think Looooser Mental Patient sums it up nicely. I still don't understand who appointed Mr. Big Man KC enforcer. He's even making up accusations against himself. Nowhere have I heard anyone, especially KC, claim that LMP was in love with G, but he spouts it out. Who knows, maybe he does have a thing for G.
LMP, you have your own haterz and, just like KC, you brought them on by your own actions. In my mind your online reputation is terrible not because of KC, but because of your actions. Get that, YOUR ACTIONS. Maybe you should sue yourself.
Thanks Miguel.
[reposted from previous thread with topical expansions]:
The only business Casey is in is scamming lenders and others out of their money.
That's not half the story. Casey is all scam all the time 27/7x365. You shouldn't need me to say this anymore. Don't you see it yourself? If he sees PROFIT in something he'll steal it; your house, your affections, your trust. Why do you think he's always looking for free lawyers, moderators, assistants, places to sleep, meals, wi-fi access? Remember he's addicted to spending money yet he also feels some need for those freebies.
The only part that concerns me is that he considers health insurance a PROFIT center.
Nowhere have I heard anyone, especially KC, claim that LMP was in love with G
Casey has never said this, but loads of other people have. It took me about ten seconds to find an example on IAFF, and there are plenty of others on EN too.
I still don't understand who appointed Mr. Big Man KC enforcer.
You kirk you made it up to LMP when you failed to get regular law enforcement to stop the crimes you saw being commited. Your lack of success forced ordinary people to purse extraordinary methods to protect the things they respect. I don't know why your numerous calls, emails, letters, blogging and confrontation didn't get Casey on the path he deserves but when you failed you left it up to others to do what you could not.
I met Casey upfront and center. He's not a big guy...5'7"..5'8" at best....so that is short to many standards. I'm only 5'6"..so he was about my size.
He was stuck in a corner talking on the line as I walked in. I approached him, he wasn't scared but more suprised than anything...but like I say, I'm not a big guy so the intimation factor is low. He shook my hand, then I told him I'd be listening..My table was like 10 feet from his..still couldn't make out the conversation since there was a delay in the podcast.
After he got off the call, we spoke for a while....an hour at least...along with another Haterz..and she was cause she was blasting him with questions that he constantly heard. It's been said before.
I think she got pissed because I was drinking as she was sipping cokes, then started to take Casey's side.
I explained that Casey was in a bind, that he f@cked up royally, but at that time the people who mattered most were his family.
I told him flat out. "Your dad came over from Russia to start a new life. He didn't have sh@t (I said sh@t), but he provided for you. He's probably still poor; but he makes a living for your mom who can move ahead. He busted his azz to give you opportunity. How many kids does he have? 5? (Casey explains five). Well, your dad busts his ass so you can do well in life..so you have an opportunity to do well for you family."
Blah..Blah..Blah....I'm even hearing the blahs as I'm speaking and I'm starting to sound like my dad. Three of us are sitting there. Still me on my soapbox. I'm suprised the Haterz didn't tell me to shut up.
Still, I told Casey, "You dad gave you an opportunity to do well in your life, to make a better living. It sounds hokey, but still he busted his azz...he has to bust his azz to get your little sister through school and go to college....cause he "probably" wants it that way!"
"Now tell me Casey, aren't you proud of your dad?" Casey nods.
"Aren't you proud that he made the best for you and your family, your mom, your brothers and the person next to him; busting his azz to make a difference in his life? And he doesn't have shit to show for it? Monetary shit like big houses, fast cars, a new lawn and shit like that? The man is rich in his heart because he gave everything he knew for you! And your Mom! And your brother Steve! and your other brother and your sister!"
"Ask your dad if he ever done it clean? I'm sure he can tell you he did."
I told Casey that I wasn't mad at him personally (I'd whip his azz if I had too) but he had to be a better person and do it clean.
I felt most people here were pissed because he never has done anything clean..it's always been shady!
Bish! Bam! Boom! Enjoy the hate Casey! Enjoy the hate. Because you don't do it clean.
Then he nodded and spoke of flipping houses........so I grabbed another beer!
Kirk was not a victim of Casey, if he were, it would be relatively simple matter to file a complaint and get law enforcement involved.
Why don't Casey's real victims press charges?
Miguel: Casey has never said this, but loads of other people have. It took me about ten seconds to find an example on IAFF, and there are plenty of others on EN too.
Fair enough, I missed that. KC never accused LMP of going after G, but others have. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
So LMP incorrectly states that KC accused him of being in love with G, in fact it was other folks on EN. I suppose it's a little better and apologize for any confusion.
The romantic angle is a case of repetition. This is a classic disinformation technique. Sophisticated watcher are on gaurd against it but it is also true that some people will grasp at straws before giving up a false opinion. And that's the case here. People who are not ready to accept what Casey truly is are in classic denial. Their defenses are reduced to "anything but the truth" and lashing out at the truthsayers. This is because Casey hasn't given them anything real. As of last night he's claiming $7500 in the bank/Paypal (where only he can get it) and he's driving a truck and eating foccacio. All he need do to sabotage the haterz™ agendaz™ is announce at the start of the next fraudcast or in his next post to IAFF how the $7500 was spent supporting his wife (a COST), paying the minimum on at least a few cards and a cheap motel with a shower. Even the supporterz™ and disruptorz™ know that ain't gonna happen so insted we are treated to mounds of personal abuse and unfounded speculation.
Dawg: You kirk you made it up to LMP when you failed to get regular law enforcement...
Why should I be the one to get law enforcement to do anything. I didn't make any phone calls, I didn't write any letters. I'm not a self appointed prosecutor like LMP.
Sure, I want KC to suffer the results of his actions, but that's up to the lenders and law enforcement. Not me or LMP. In fact I'm disgusted by this lawsuit that's surely going to waste valuable court time. That's my tax dollars being wasted. How's that better than what KC did?
Good evening Robert.
Are you as frustrated as I that people keep hounding Mark after has made a few comments now that he actually lost $$ to the tard through his services?
People, if you aren't bothering to read previous threads, don't bother posting until you catch up. This repetition is tiresome.
And no, I am not a huge MLP supporterz and still see the anger-management issues but his finances are his finances. Let him do his thing.
Last night people were pounding him as a "collection agent." So what? Isn't that what is supposed to be used against people who don't pay their bills?
And for
Who was the lady trying to explain to Casey the right way to live a Christian life; then giving him the run through of Catechism?
I wanna take her course cause jumping over fences, avoiding nuns, and grabbing palm leaves ruined many a weekend when I was growing up in the 70's.
I'd dish out many a chicko stick to prove to my mom that I had a certifate from that girl's school of Christianity!!!
"Now leave me alone mom. Baby Jesus is doing fine!"
@Bemused Guy,
Last night people were pounding him [LMP] as a "collection agent." So what? Isn't that what is supposed to be used against people who don't pay their bills?
Yes, Mark said that's what he is, and that he's good at it. We all have something we're best at, and all have to make a living. Recovering stolen money from deadbeats adds value to society.
I agree, people need to get over what Mark does for a living.
Bemused, agreed. (Except for the evening part. Here it is 8:30AM on a thankfully overcast day.)
Cashcall had Casey at 36% until he defaulted and bumped him to 94.9% and hit him with massive late charges.
LMP had Casey at $0 down $0/month at 0% until he defaulted.
Both legal transactions were originally valued at $10,000.
Anybody looking at those two should see the equivalence except Mark's terms were extraordinarily generous. Now Cashcall is trying to collect somewhere in the neighborhood of $30,000 and LMP is seeking only to recover a fraction of that.
Time for the supporterz and disruptorz to get off of LMPs case and onto the real meanies, Cashcall. Yeah, like that'll happen.
Big Spender is on!
Now there is a show for Casey. I suspect the host would probably give Casey a beat down half way through it though.
I still want to know is why Mark's site wants to read my clipboard when I access it.
WRT Mark losing money: That's the cost of doing business. Don't even try to tell me that Mark's success with Casey Serin, the poster boy of the housing bubble, wouldn't have been widely publicized if things had worked out. Mark figured he had more to gain than lose with Casey. Apparently, he figured wrong. Hopefully he learned to choose his partners more carefully next time. Didn't Mark see a trend before he signed on?
LOL - the beat down wouldn't take that long,
@Kirk:
"Sure, I want KC to suffer the results of his actions, but that's up to the lenders and law enforcement. Not me or LMP"
A wee correction, laddie. You can abdicate taking action only for yourself...not for LMP or anyone else.
"Why should I be the one to get law enforcement to do anything. I didn't make any phone calls, I didn't write any letters."
Okay...this doesn't exactly square with your assertion of wanting Fliptard to sleep in the bed that he has made though.
In fact, it kinda puts your "wanting" directly into the "wishful thinking" category.
Fine...enjoy your fantasy, but allow others to enjoy their dreams as well.
LMP apparently dreams of a long and detailed judicial discovery process...pulling out Hobbit's dirty skivvies and shining a bright light on each skid mark, bacon strip and suspicious stain found therein.
To each his own.
There is really no single Admiral directing the movement of the Haterz Fleet...and this is a good thing.
One strategy can be defeated by one defense.
But having hundreds of torpedo boats, destroyers, cruisers, submarines and flattops each going after the derelict hulk is damned near impossible to succesfully defend
Beautiful, I just got this listing from my Mexican real estate agent. He's trying to help me find a beach house for my wife. This is from the listing.
"Bad feature is a 10 mile sometimes washboard road to town. About 20 minuets to paved road. If you have a bitchy wife, don't bother coming."
@John -
you're right. Silly me.
Countrywide, Wells Fargo, Cashcall, Mastercard, Sacramento PD & all the others should call it a day too. Cut their losses and not try for restitution.
Then maybe Casey can get even more corporate credit that he won't pay back. And as for me? Every time I apply for a new loan or have to jump through another hoop, despite my 800+ score, because of these idiots who get away with scamming the system...well, "it's all good."
Dude, there are a lot of Caseys out there. People have to report them & get them to stop or it all comes down to us in the end with our payment structures.
I like the image of Casey circling his lone wagon.
It's kind of like one hand clapping. Or that scene in Shoulder Arms, where after capturing eight German soldiers, Charlie Chaplin is asked: "How did you capture eight men?" Chaplin shrugs and answers, "I surrounded them."
@Michael
The sad thing is, Casey still thinks this is going to work out in his favor and that he will be making sweet passive income and living the high life in a few years. So whether or not anyone is proud of him now doesn't matter, they will soon enough.
BTW, the phrase 'a Haterz' cracks me up every time!
Over the next several years Casey will be served many summons to court for his defaulted debts. He better get used to hiding from process servers. LMP's court action is child's play compared to what Cash Call et al have in store for him.
Message from the Impossible Missions Force......
Mr. Benoit,
A new player has emerged and we need to find out more about her. Codeword is Pinklips.
Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to locate any and all information concerning said Pinklips and report your findings here.
Should you be discovered, Haterz will disavow any knowledge of you and your mission.
This message will now self destruct, but itsallgood.
@Sharky:
One of the reasons why I didn't write or call law enforcement is that I didn't think it would do any good. Other's have called without visible success, so it seems I was right.
Also, I'm allowing LMP to "enjoy his dream" of a lawsuit. I'm just stating my opinion that it's a dumb idea and a waste of resources. EN is a discussion isn't it. If we didn't state our opinions it wouldn't be a very good discussion.
@Dawg:
Comparing LMP to CashCall is interesting. In LMP's case I've heard several reasons for his actions. From memory a few are...
1) He's being a good citizen
2) He's recovering some lost revenue
3) He's trying to stop anti-competitive behaviour.
4) He's attempting to stop slanderous actions on KC's part
I have my own opinion why he's doing it, but I've already stated that and I promised not to state it again.
CashCall on the other hand is trying to recover money owed based on a contract that was willing entered in to by a competent (LOL) adult. I suppose KC may have a chance of getting out of it by claiming incompetence, I'm sure many of us would back him on that one.
While I have disdain for CashCall's tactics, at least they have real losses. IMHO LMP doesn't and he's getting what he deserves.
Hey Everyone:
I have a suggestion.....
Turn off your computers.
Go outside.
Go on a bike ride.
Go for a hike.
Go for a swim.
Take a few deep breaths.
Hug a child.
Smell the roses.
Have lunch with a friend.
Do something that gives you pleasure and joy.
Forget about Casey and his drama.
Enjoy your day.
Annie
If there's one thing the fraudcast made clear, it's that Casey reads EN very closely. He feigns mock surprise at some of the questions he's asked, but when he's angry or unguarded he makes frequent mentions of discussions and topics that happen here.
Annie...
from last night's haterzcast,....
can't we just talk about your boobs instead?
LOL @ 8:54 AM:
”LMP's court action is child's play compared to what Cash Call et al have in store for him.”
I say this then I’m outta here, off to play... You have it straight; I’m the first of perhaps many creditors taking a shot. Thus priority being established for another day; get behind and stay there (CashCall, Countrywide, First Franklin, Visa, M/C, etc. etc.)!
See, there is a root behind my madness after all. ;)
~Mark
(Taking Annie’s suggestion, I’m out to work my dogs.)
@kirk:
"One of the reasons why I didn't write or call law enforcement is that I didn't think it would do any good. Other's have called without visible success, so it seems I was right."
But were you? One of the reasons I used a naval warfare metaphor is that a sea-fight, unlike a land battle, can be conducted in three dimensions, below-, above-, and surface actions.
Much more like cyber and meatspace.
An empty sea surface gives little hint of the mines and subs lurking below.
And...every little twig helps to create the logjam, y'know. If LE gets pestered enough, eventually they'll take action just to stifle the mob's uproar.
Bureaucracy 101...
"Also, I'm allowing LMP to "enjoy his dream" of a lawsuit. I'm just stating my opinion that it's a dumb idea and a waste of resources."
Ahhh, but they're LMP's resources to waste. And it forces Fliptard to waste HIS meagre resources to defend against, (even on "court ignore mode").
And while Hobbit is "busy" doing whatever he does to counter LMP, someone slams a torpedo into him.
As far as your tax dollars being wasted, I don't think this quite rises to the level of suing someone for 57 million over a lost pair of slacks...do you?
I mean, at least we know that there really is a crook as the object of this exercise.
@Lawnmower
Which is exactly why it would be stupid for Duane and Mark to reveal all here. I'm just as frustrated over the "wait for it, wait for it" and then nothing, but hey, it's not like this is a tv show or anything.
Mark and Duane could bail on this blog today and never come back, and still do what they are doing, so a LITTLE appreciation towards them would be nice, eh?
@Annie
Good advice. Throw a steak in that mix, and it sounds like a great day. :)
@ Dawg -- Casey is all scam all the time 27/7x365.
27 hours in a day for Casey, eh? Wow, he really does live on another planet! :)
Open question:
Does anyone know what "family" Cashback Casey stayed with while in the PNW?
Does he have relatives up there, was it the SactoSerins, or was that just "Wheatgrass n' Bullshit"?
Cross-posted at IAFF...
Casey said..."In any marriage conflict there's always both sides, and if people are hearing one side that's highly distorted and put a spin on, let's face it: everybody who is hearing the other side of the whole equation is a hater, more or less, they're set against me."
That is a hilarious statement, Casey. All we have been hearing for the last 9 months is YOUR distorted, spun side of the conflict. Now, we are FINALLY hearing the other side of the conflict, and you are pissed because it's showing just how distorted your side was from the word go.
Hypocrite.
Daww, I'm intrigued by your remark about viewing Health Insurance as a "Profit Center." I work in the health insurance industry and have worked extensively in fraud investigations. As I recalled there was an issue over health insurance premiums when Casey closed the Fargo account. I presumed he let that coverage lapse - since the car insurance went that way. What are you implying here with your remark?
@Sharky
You're right, there very well could be below the surface legal proceedings that I am unaware of. I hope there are in fact, as long as they come from truly injured parties. But yeah, I have no idea.
As for LMP wasting his own resources -- that's fine with me. It's the court's time and resources I have a problem with. Sure, there are more egregious examples of wasting a court's time, but that doesn't mean we should ignore this one. While I didn't state this clearly before, I'm also concerned that LMP's actions are going to be unwelcome and detrimental to KC's family. If that turns out to be true then it's just not right.
For now, I'm taking Dawg up on his challenge and preparing a CashCall post.
@ Kirk
Just wanted to let you know that there are a few of us out there who at least partially agree with you. I'm reserving some of my judgment until I see actual public documents/hear the judge's reaction, but I do think that this lawsuit was initiated because of LMP's hurt ego.
But, you never know when a judge will see something differently. In college, I took a single class in law (essentially a Law 101 class), and after reading the foundations of some of our key legal principles, I found that the arguments that led to these key precedents were nothing more than a bunch of bullshit, but bullshit that was enshrined into our very legal system in 1614 or 1467 in England. It's scary to see just how shaky the foundations are under everything we now take for granted.
So, the judge may well surprise both you and me. There may well be hidden merit here that we can't see right now.
@ The Dude -- Mr. Benoit,
A new player has emerged and we need to find out more about her. Codeword is Pinklips
I tried sporadically last night after I heard her, doing searches for "Pink Lips Colorado horses", but nothing juicy™ turned up. In fact, as far as I can tell, she's never even posted once to IAFF.
I did put up a CaseyPedia stub about her. :)
Lots of disinformation flying about. Talk about T to the R to the O double L.
Anywhoo, what is done is done, folks. Let Mark do his work, Kirk. There is obviously stuff we still don't know, and frankly, Casey is will be using this dissention to his advantage. He already has, with the newbies who don't have time to read his whole blog. Why, he could create a new personality every week if he wanted to, with a few key deletions/additions.
He doesn't know shit about real estate, but he's a master of manipulation.
+++++++++++++++
Again, LMP does not need me to defend him, but I am noved to explain to you guys.
When one is self employed, and has been taken by a partner, or a business associate, AND I do not mean going to work and collecting a pay-check from a corporation every week.
I mean you alone are responsible for your cash generation: ONE CAN NOT BE OUT THERE RUNNING WITH THE BIG BUSINESS DAWGS AND HAVE A REPUTATION OF BEING WEAK, or one will be eaten alive.
You will not and can not understand where LMP is with regard to defending his business and his REPUTATION until you walk the walk of a successful self employed person.
You are standing on the top of a jagged pointed rock just off shore, with the waves crashing around you, rain pouring down and lightning bolts threatning to burn you alive, with no life jacket or rain gear, alone.
Or
you are climbing a tree, alone, and as you climb up each branch you grasp is smaller and less stable than the last, whilst the one below you is cut off.
Really, no one around me understands the personality type that I have to "do sweet deals", and that is okay. I do it and I do not talk about it to anyone. If it was easy, every one would do it.
I refuse to compromise my ethics, ever.
BTW, It is also rushes your adrenaline when things go well.
Another thing about a law suit is you do not TALK ABOUT IT until it is OVER!!!!!
Take a Chill Pill.
Patience dear ones.
The Pool beckons me.
PS, I do not agree with cussing in business and the F word, imo, does not belong in any business discussion, but, that is me.
Other than that LMP must, must defend his corporation.
Someone called "Pink Lips and a Smart Dog" posted infrequently to EN back in February, although she/he was a full-blown Hater.
The lonely "horse farm" Pink Lips posted this comment (railing on Tavington's tedium) on June 15th, and then proceeded to call into the two most recent fraudcasts. That's the entire extent of her history here as far I as can see...
She herself is probably a troll like Tavington, only more shrill and annoying.
@Kirk:
"While I didn't state this clearly before, I'm also concerned that LMP's actions are going to be unwelcome and detrimental to KC's family. If that turns out to be true then it's just not right."
Your concern does you credit, but no matter how this plays out, the Serin family is going to be injured.
Will they be MORE hurt by Hobbit being brought to heel, or by allowing him to run free?
I don't honestly know.
But I DO know that putting a dog collar on that boy will help ensure that truly innocent and uninvolved people aren't injured.
At some point, justice stops being justice and starts being social hygiene.
LMP has lost all credibility in my eyes. The one person I had high expectations for has shown himself to be a raving lunatic; out of control, screaming threats and cursing. For Pete's sake, man. Get a hold of yourself. Regain your posture and exercise some self control. It could be all of the comments about LMP lusting after Galina or perhaps LMP is just playing to his audience; but whatever the issue is with LMP, his rage and anger are evidently consuming this man in a most dangerous way.
Benoit: did you catch the moment in last night's talkcast where she says she'll email Casey under the subject line "SnapperDew"?
Last Friday's talkcast had calls from *both* PinkLips, who got cut off by Casey, and then shortly afterwards a SnapperDew.
Multiple aliases? Did she re-register and come back for a second try after Casey cut her off? Might be worth listening to those segments again to compare the voices.
An aside: Casey keeps asking Mark and Duane how their actions "are helping him".
Nobody gave the obvious answer, which is: they're not trying to help you, numbnuts. They're trying to help your victims.
At 8:16 AM, Rob Dawg said...
"People who are not ready to accept what Casey truly is are in classic denial. Their defenses are reduced to "anything but the truth" and lashing out at the truthsayers. "
Wrong.
Dammit, Rob, pay attention!
The only thing more evil than letting Casey's crimes go unremarked, with more to follow, would be to have someone perform even more despicable acts in the pursuance of him. Am I saying that has happened?
NO.
But the environment to have that happen is fostered when those in positions of influence endorse or fail to accurately take note when potential abuses occur.
If LMP thinks he had a biz relationship with Casey that got botched badly enough to casue him to have just cause for suit, FINE. And if he needs to depose Galina, or Pops or anyone, FINE. But that is not what their activities WRT her seem to be indicating. Private correspondence, calls, emotional comforting, verbal 'outting' of husband's supposed misdeeds for the purposes of estrangement and withdrawal of emotional support -- I'm sorry, but THAT IS WRONG!
And you calling names of people who point out that fact does not do your own standing any favors. You said only drive by trolls have such views?
Am I a drive-by troll?
Am I a Casey supporter?
THINK DAMMIT.
@ Lawnmower... I think you're bluffing, but I'll check into it. ;-)
I really will, unlike Casey. heh. On a side note, Casey has already set up his next two FraudCasts, for the 13th and the 20th at 8:00 PM Eastern.
Benoit:
He doesn't know when to quit, does he? And he'll never understand the value of silence either. To become more public in the face of a pending legal action is the most effing stupid thing he could ever do.
He left a new comment on his blog saying this + rambling about idiocy:
"I want to use stronger words but that’s just not me. I will just present the truth and my point of view on both of them in due time. Probably in the next couple of posts. We’re talking the WHOLE story for the world to see how these two are pushing me and my family around."
If he does that, it'll be the stupidest thing I've seen him do yet. Dumb-de-dumb-de-dumb.
Don't you idiots see that Casey is setting up a major disinformation campaign? The repetitious posts (not from the regulars) throwing Galina under the bus and accusing LMP of having designs on her. Marty and Casey may be hacks, but they're not stupid, people. Trolls CAN register, too.
Frankly, I think it makes sense if the Haterz just not call into the fraudcast--and take notes. Frankly, he's saying quite enough to hang himself without the other distraction.
Has Casey been engaging in elder abuse, like stealing from his elderly relatives? Did he get sweet credit lines in their names?
I cannot imagine what Casey has done that has rob dawg barking so loudly!
Another thing about a law suit is you do not TALK ABOUT IT until it is OVER!!!!!
Totally agree - which is why I find it baffling that both Mark and Casey seem determined to discuss it from every conceivable angle well in advance of the hearing.
Or rather, I'm not surprised about Casey, as he admits he hasn't taken legal advice and has an addiction to airing his dirty laundry in public, but I really do think Mark should have remained absolutely silent (at least in public) from the moment that the papers were filed.
Ringing the talkcast to berate Casey in the first place was arguably a mistake, but making what could easily be interpreted as a threat (and a foul-mouthed threat at that) strikes me as being foolhardy in the extreme given that he's going to try to impress a judge in the very near future.
Don't get me wrong - for all sorts of reasons, I hope Mark is successful. But I wasn't impressed by his behavior last night, and I imagine I'm not the only one who feels that way.
@ KHatie:
1. Fliptard does not have the foresight, planning, means, methods, skillz, or other required attributes to orchestrate any planned action against haterz™ or his detractors. The idiot is often found to lose money just because he supposedly forgot (or was to lazy) to make a phone call.
2. Hiding dissent (or the other face -- falsely trying to cement a unanimous position) where it is not based on truth is horrible. Far worse than this smattering of minor squabbles in the open about some methodology and particulars, among people who are, in the end, united in one common goal: To have Casey Serin held to account for his numerous self-confessed illegal misdeeds.
Just as water is the universal lubricant, Truth is the universal disinfectant.
Could some who take a strident position against the actions of the "inner crew" be shown wrong in the long run? Sure. But to remain silent when it looks like bad things are happening, and then to stop questioning, not on merits/demerits of the issues being explained/resolved/stopped, but instead solely upon a request to expedite general anti-Casey activities, is an "ends justifies the means" mindset that runs counter to ever fibre of my own being. Others may differ, of course.
Dawg asked that we talk about the real villain, CashCall. I've decided to lay off LMP for a bit and take Dawg up on his challenge. Excuse the long post.
I've just spent a little time reading though RipOffReport.com's CashCall entries and have formed an opinion that I'll share here.
First, CashCall is a legitimate business that doesn't break the law. There are plenty of reports of them "illegally" deducting payments from checking accounts, but I don't believe that's truly the case. My guess is that the contract explicitly allows them to deduct payments when they are due. It's CashCall's tactics that are questionable from an ethical perspective. The offer high interest loans with little or no credit checks. By their nature these loans are risky and they have the right to charge a high interest rate. The ethical dilemma I have is that the people who are most likely to need these loans are the very folks who are not capable of understanding what the terms of the loan are. From reading the RipOffReports (ROR) it's clear that many of the posters are uneducated and don't have a good track record of handling money. Others are experiencing a traumatic life event such as death of a loved one, divorce, or serious medical problem and they may not be in a position to act rationally.
Now, there's nothing wrong with people who are disadvantaged getting a loan. The problem comes when they start making payments. CashCall has the right to collect money owed, but time and time again there are reports of them putting people in to default for one late payment. The clients are frequently going through a difficult time, that's why they resorted to using CashCall, so it's likely that they will have trouble keeping up with payments. Most reputable companies will understand this and, for the sake of their reputation if nothing else, provide hardship programs for people who need a little more time. CashCall not only doesn't do this, but actively tries to force people in to default. For example, there are many posts on ROR from folks requesting payments be deducted from their checking account on a particular date (say the 15th of the month) only to have CashCall deny this request. The result is the checking account is overdrawn (more fees!) and there's a good chance the borrower will be forced in to default.
This is all exacerbated by the terms of the default. Once in default the interest rate goes through the roof, fees are assessed, and the total loan becomes due immediately. Legal? Yes! Ethical? No.
CashCall also uses strong arm collection tactics. Frequently calling not only the borrower but also friends, family, and employers. In at least one case on ROR this cost someone their job. I actually don't disagree with these tactics in the case of truly delinquent accounts, CashCall, however, pulls the trigger too soon. This is also unethical. There are many ROR reports where people state they considered suicide. This could be a loan for as little as $2500 that's default and now requires $4000 or more in payments.
CashCall has another tactic that I find deplorable. There are many ROR's where people claim that they can make a payment next month. CashCall tells them that's too late and they'll face legal action and garnishment of wages if they don't make the payment. Now, here's the kicker, in order to solve this problem CashCall offers a payday loan to cover the original loans payment. This is setting the person up for more debt and another default and it's atrocious in my opinion.
I did learn that CashCall rarely follows through with the initial threats of suing the borrower, although they will resort to that after some time has passed. One interesting thing is that they apparently have lots of cases in California courts and are not well liked by judges. They also frequently don't show up for court. If you're a borrower and are sued by CashCall it's definitely in your interest to show up in court. If they don't appear there's a good chance the Judge will dismiss the case with prejudice. That's really good for the borrower and the were a couple of RORs where this happened.
In short. CashCall, I believe, is operating within the law but praying on the most vulnerable people. Their tactics are unethical from start to finish and my advise would be to avoid them at all costs. In fact, I think I posted that advice to IAFF some time back. Ahh Well.
That better Dawg?
Benoit,
Some other search phrases that might bear fruit are:
PinkLips + Me so horny
PinkLips + Hey sailor
PinkLips + My tits drag the floor
PinkLips + I love you long time
PinkLips + Sucking down MadDog 20/20
On another note, who has mad IT skillz who can share the keycode for making the famous (tm) addition
Agree with kirk.
Well except that 'pray' = 'prey'
(Oh, and one of my last 'to' should have been 'too', and 'lose' should have been 'loose™' -- he he he)
@Khatie -
I completely agree. It would be interesting if all the "Haterz"
just listened to the next fraudcast. Think it will last 2 hours? How many real Supporterz will call in?
I know how to interpret voices. Casey did not say it but I could tell he bored VERY quickly with each of his Supportz. Listen again folks. He bored more quickly than WE did. The tard knows his bread & butter is generated by calls like Duane's & Mark's. And if he can provoke a meltdown gentlemen...so much the better. And you KNOW his forte is button pushing.
I suggest, no matter how tempting, CHJTZ, Annie, Duane, Nigeypoo, LMO...don't feed the Caseytroll next week. I guarantee the after-effects will be more interesting for us.
Kirk:
"Most reputable companies will understand this and, for the sake of their reputation if nothing else, provide hardship programs for people who need a little more time. CashCall not only doesn't do this, but actively tries to force people in to default."
Perhaps in some cases, but Cashcall DID offer Fliptard some kind of deal.
He told about it on IAFF, and he copped to blowing 'em off by not filing and mailing the paperwork in the agreed-upon time.
Cashcall and Cashback...they deserve each other.
@ the Dude:
There are many ways to enlightenment, but the one I use on an IBM keyboard is to use the <>ALT> key held down, and then, using the num pad (not your upper row of letter keys) enter 0153, and that ought to do it. Lots more extended ASCII char you can inputthat way, too.
@Kirk -
Nice research job for those of us with jobs who don't need loansharks - thanks.
As pointed out earlier, Casey was offered a deal by Cashcall. He also posted the phone conversation on his blog.
Did any of your research come up with the case where the wife is told by CC she is included on the lawsuit for her husband's default? The husband then says, "I will look into it" and after 2 weeks hasn't done so? And if that sounds incredible, guess who did it?
@Nigels' Guest Blogger
That avatar you use freaks me out every time I post. Dude, next time you First & Murst can you change it please?
Mad IT Skillz™
I now have superior™ IT skillz!
Lawnmower, you're right... from the 6/29/2007 FraudCast, Pink Lips and SnapperDew are definitely the same people. I updated the transcript on Caseypedia to reflect that.
Now for some google searching, although I don't know the handle's true spelling (Dew? Doo? Do? Due?). heh. :-\
Dude - Check your email, please.
All - apologies for my foul language last night. Sometimes I let the "ghetto" get the best of me.
aack!!!
Listening to a recording of the Fraudcast ... LossMitPunk is a total lunatic. Hilarious how he rants about Casey ruining his good name on the Internet. He's doing more to trash his own reputation that Casey ever could.
thpptt!!
S_t_C
@ Khatie
"Don't you idiots see that Casey is setting up a major disinformation campaign? The repetitious posts (not from the regulars) throwing Galina under the bus and accusing LMP of having designs on her. Marty and Casey may be hacks, but they're not stupid, people. Trolls CAN register, too."
1) Are you calling me a troll?
2) What does Galina have to do with any of the posts made here today?
For the record: Nothing I've heard from either Duane LeGate or LMP here or on any of the talkshoe shows seems to indicate that either one has any designs on Galina. Duane strikes me as being a kind, old-fashioned gentleman who is doing the right thing out of the goodness of his heart. That horsecrap that whats-her-name was spewing about it on fliptard's show last night was clearly B.S.
My thoughts on LMP's lawsuit springing from his ego involve a number of comments I've read here, especially one I read not long ago about how LMP was advising fliptard's creditors that the blog was down when Casey brought it up again. That has to smart, and smart a lot. But does it warrant a lawsuit? Maybe, maybe not. And I'm sure there's a lot more to the story that I don't know.
But when you represent someone pro-bono as LMP did, especially someone who is clearly as flaky as Casey, you have to wonder if it's really worth it. And you have to rationally assess the risk before you get involved. I haven't read the full story on fliptard (working on it...), but from what I've seen, the pattern of Casey's fudging out on contracts seemed to have been pretty well established by the time LMP tried to work with him. For free, I might add.
And LMP hasn't really done himself any favors by going on Casey's fraudcast last night either.
I'll be curious to see what the judge has to say, and what the case docs will say when they become public. Until then, all we have to judge the merits of the case on are some posts on EN and IAFF, and a few verbal conversations. I've formed my initial opinion based on what I've read. More information can always change things.
Sharky and Bemused Guy both point out that CashCall did offer KC a deal to avoid late payment. While I don't recall the details of that deal I believe it did require an immediate payment (that was the whole purpose of the beg-a-thon). This seems to be how they operate. They want some money now no matter what, and they want people to go in to default. It's my understanding (Warning: I'm not an expert on this) that reputable lenders will defer payments for several months in cases of hardship. I didn't see any evidence of CashCall doing this, if you want something from them you need to give them some money now. If you can't you're in default.
@Bemused: I saw several reports of CashCall calling family members and threatening them, but nothing about them following through. It wouldn't surprise me if they did that though. There's hundreds of reports and I only read a dozen or so. I wouldn't be surprised if spouses in community property states are on the hook for CashCall loans.
Related Google searching of all possible spellings turn up essentially nothing. The handle Snapper by itself is too vague. It's also possible that the whole thing is a troll.
Her voice vaguely resembles Steffy's though... heh ;-)
@Benoit: Thank you for last night's limerick. You're the best. <3
@ T -- that was far from my best, but thanks ;-)
in my defense, it was 3:00 AM where I am and Shark only gave me 120 seconds!! After the call ended, I realized another word that rhymes with "Nacho" is "gazpacho" :)
You did great seeing as how it was so spur of the moment and all. I loved it. I had a big ole smile on my face.
T,
Is this what you have in mind? :o)
CaseyHaterz
For Google:
I am in the "haterz" category but Mark Villaseñor, Loss Mitigation Pro, http://www.lossmitpro.com in my opinion is truely out of line, unprofessional, and abusing the court process.
To quote him: "Casey Serin can't be told what to do. Casey Serin knows what the real deal is, even though he gets people that have been in the fucking business twenty years to advise him. So don't give me that crap, Casey, that I was playing both sides against the middle. You wanna see me hot, pal, you wanna see me really go the guns on you? Believe me, you little shit-for-brains, you've got a think coming, if you wanna keep this up. You wanna keep it up, Casey, because I got news, I got goddamn news for you. You got a problem. You got a real big problem. Because I'm going to go for your fucking throat if you keep it up. Do you understand? Do I make myself clear? Yes or no. "
Link to statement: http://www.caseypedia.com/wiki/Foreclosure_Fridays_Live_5#LossMitPro_.28Mark_Villase.C3.B1or.29_.2857:27.29
I believe Mark has really tarnished the reputation of a group of people who were trying to stop Serin. I do believe his conduct and court filing will end up disgracing himself further and will give Serin more amunition.
I can't think of anyone after "googling" his name would hire him for anything.
Mark Villaseñor: Google remembers forever. Very, very stupid, childish, and unprofessional. The judge will have a hayday with your public remarks.
There are now three groups of people as I see it:
Supporterz
Haterz
Insanerz
The Dude said...
T,
Is this what you have in mind? :o)
You spoil me. <3
@TheDude,
Hey bro, if you run phpBB, make sure you keep it patched up or whomever your host is does. It has a history of having some issues. I'd say, about 50% of the phishing hosts my company goes after, got phished through phpBB vulnerabilities. Of course there is also a large amount of WordPress as well :)
"But when you represent someone pro-bono as LMP did, especially someone who is clearly as flaky as Casey, you have to wonder if it's really worth it. And you have to rationally assess the risk before you get involved. I haven't read the full story on fliptard (working on it...), but from what I've seen, the pattern of Casey's fudging out on contracts seemed to have been pretty well established by the time LMP tried to work with him. For free, I might add."
I believe Mark's conduct the other night spoke volumes about why he tried to "help" Casey and his true character.
I believe anyone who tried to help Casey, in light of the overwhelming evidence, has serious problems themselves.
Who knows, maybe Mark is a broke as Casey is?
Cashcall breaks the law all the time. The results and consequences are part of their business model. Sometimes it is the same old lending malpractice of a nod and wink while glossing over the terms with borrowers. Other times the bad stuff is under the guise of subcontractors beyond their control. Yup, and when something really bad won't go away by then Cashcall has reassigned or fired the person responsible.
Still Cashcall tells everyone what could/will happen. Imagine if Casey went that route: "Give me 110% of the money I want to buy this house and this is what will happen..."
There is some ego mixed up with reputation in this business. What if the efforts people may or may not have performed on Casey's behalf ultimately cost them industry reputation when Casey reneged on his end? No harm?
Who besides a loss mitigator should better understand the nature of a credit bandit like Casey? Does he not routinely deal with the people who have roach credit scores?
That's like me crying because I did not know what rule of 78 meant when I signed a contract.
Repetition of suspisions is neither evidence nor interesting.
"Anyone who disagrees with lmp's tactics and behavior is now a supportz or a disruptorz.
You either with us or you are against us."
You must be joking. I guess you have firmly put Mark Villaseñor, Loss Mitigation Pro in the supporterz category then. His public remarks, silly lawsuit, and threats will surely help Serin in court and with other people.
I believe Serin should be held accountable... but I won't be apart of a group (like many others) that support and condone unprecidented stupidity.
@Dawg:
Well Mark's reputation is shot... and Serin didn't do it.
"What if the efforts people may or may not have performed on Casey's behalf ultimately cost them industry reputation when Casey reneged on his end?"
First of all, anyone who gets involved in a business relationship with Casey - when his actions and behaviour have been well documented - displays a serious lack of business judgement.
However, LossMitPunk could have just WALKED AWAY, with very little if any public damage to his reputation.
What "costs them" is a profane public pee-pee dance of fury, archived forever.
Quality entertainment.
thpptt!!
S_t_C
@John:
No that was a cynical remark, and yes that does seem to be the way this one is breaking down.
I do not endorse lmp's behavior or tactics. I am appalled.
Southern,
I grabbed the domain a while back and setup a hosting account. I don't have the mad IT skillz™ to do much with it. I figured it would be nice to have if Haterz™ wanted a domain with boards, ftp, and other stuff. It gets old trying to fool with free hosting, picture albums, etc.....so anyway, it's there if folks want to use it.
Well I know someone on the board here that owns the freegalina.com domain we can use that as well.
Okay, Rob, TheDude, Duane, everyone else with real-world experience beyond the murse...
Has anyone considered the very REAL possibility the IRS may freeze all of their accounts? Including Galina's, all of Flippy's, and the Paypal accounts? What happens then, not for dumbarse but for G? Do we think this has a high probability of happening?
@Paraiba
I noticed you removed your post wherein you stated to me @11:04 "Anyone who disagrees with lmp's tactics and behavior is now a supportz or a disruptorz.
You either with us or you are against " because I am not supporting Mark's conduct that will inevitably help Serin.
I do believe you should listen to him on the talk cast and then reconsider what you believe will be constructive to stop Serin, and what would obviously help him.
If I was to appear in court, I would file the audio with responding materials as an exhibit with a corresponding motion to dismiss Mark's application and demand costs on a substantial basis (with prejudice). Serin can win the court application no question - Mark has no paper in the file if you know whnat I mean.
Dawg: Cashcall breaks the law all the time.
That very well may be true, however I didn't see any clear evidence of it in the ROR posts I read. Given the size of their business they must be under some scrutiny. If they are breaking (or bending) the law I'm sure they have boatloads of lawyers making sure they have a decent defense.
Since their customers tend to be low income and frequently not well educated they are also unlikely to be able to sue CashCall effectively. I'm sure there's some state or federal agency that's supposed to oversee these things, but it's a complicated issue. CashCall is an agent of First Bank and Trust in South Dakota. It's the bank that issues the loans and is regulated by the FDIC and other agencies. CashCall, on the other hand, may not be regulated by these same agencies. State agencies also have their hands tied. The Office of Thrift Supervision (yep, it really exists. It's part of the Treasury Department) claims that agents of banks should not be regulated by state governments for example.
What if the efforts people may or may not have performed on Casey's behalf ultimately cost them industry reputation when Casey reneged on his end? No harm?
Casey backing out of a deal causes little damage to a persons reputation. Nothing that a few phone calls couldn't take care of. It's the totality of a persons actions that form their reputation.
I haven't posted on IAFF for a longtime, but could not resist trying to get just one in, responding to some looser ™ pie in the sky supporter claiming all Casey had done was take risk that others were too fearful to do. It will likely never get through moderation:
*************************
Just one thing.
I had sworn off posting at IAFF, and I doubt you will post this, but I have to say:
at 187. Nutterbut was a typical supporterz™ with:
"Ok. so you took some massive risks. What in the western world didn’t come about without someone taking a huge risk? "
Look, people, say and think whatever it is you want to. But please for God's sakes, BE ACCURATE.
Casey's folly, and the reason he is such a rare phenomenon, and the reason people 'hate' on him, and want to see him prosecuted is NOT anything to do with his risk stance.
Can you not get that, people?
For instance, I could give a flyin' flip if the boy went in and gambled 4 million dollars of his own money, representing the family inheritance and his entire future, on just one turn of the roulette wheel. Let him. So what? Such activity would not even be worth a single blog entry, much less his current notoriety.
No, it is not his 'taking a risk' that is the problem. It is the fact his particular chosen variety of risky behavior was illegal. Plain and simple. Illegal. It was also immoral, wrong, based on lies, etc, but the essential issue is it's CRIMINALITY, admitted to many times over at this point by Casey himself.
So you weak little people who are apparently living a fantasy through Casey of the lone struggler who takes a shot, are deluded. Get a clue.
Please.
@John
That was sarcasm, I heard it, I was disgusted!
One hundred murst!
John @ 10:56 AM:
”...Loss Mitigation Pro, http://www.lossmitpro.com in my opinion is truely out of line, unprofessional, and abusing the court process..”
Disinformation; I have nothing to do with LossMitPro.com. And since you’re wrong about that, what else could you (and others) be mistaking -- purposely or otherwise?
~Mark
First of all, anyone who gets involved in a business relationship with Casey - when his actions and behaviour have been well documented - displays a serious lack of business judgement.
Cart before the horse. Casey's business actions and dealings and behaviors were a complete mystery until Duane and Mark got them documented. By complete mystery I mean we only had Casey's side and at that time people thought he was being honest. At the time they tried to help all we had was Casey and admissions of nothing worse than cashback and liars loans. If cashback and liar loans were all there really were they cuold have and would have helped. It is only lately that we've learned of a criminal that is visibly getting more criminal every day.
Last night and the responding posts on his blog make me wonder why I waste time on that little puke.
He's USING everyone to change the story again. Now Duane and Mark are the problem and not him. People seem to be eating it up, too :(
When you side with Casey on anything you give him a false sense of righteousness. It's no longer about him being a deadbeat. He now can sit here and play the victim.
This is not Duane, Dawg or Mark's fault. It's CASEY'S fault. Somebody has to put this kid in his place.
@S_t_C:
"However, LossMitPunk could have just WALKED AWAY, with very little if any public damage to his reputation."
I appreciate your position, but you really don't know this. I know you're against LossMIT in this whole thing, but we really don't know (on either side) many of the details.
Maybe his public Internet persona could have little damage, but we don't know how far his efforts on Casey's behalf went. He -could- be getting "damn mark, you really wasted our time with that Serin kid"... we really dont know.
Me I think it's still a tossup if there's merit or not, but for whatever reason Mark is pursuing it and we'll see.
Mark,
Yeah the deliberate misinformation bit is getting old real fast.
Good post, Dood. Gives me hope that we can continue to post the counterpoint that Casey is the criminal here and not anybody else.
@LMP: "Since you’re wrong about that, what else could you (and others) be mistaking -- purposely or otherwise?"
Well, not your public utterances, written and audio.
Nor the fact you sued a non-profit volunteer group dedicated to maintaining wilderness, in federal court. You claim you never lose; where do you put your odds on that particular action? AS much as I love animals, including domesticated ones, my own personal opinion is NOT that even my own beloved housepets should be able to trammel unfettered upon pristine wilderness; but hey, that's just me.
Since you talk ad nauseum about the Casey litigation underway, why not at least give us a thumbnail sketch of this one two, to more fully know your character?
I believe once a persons reputation is completely ruined, they no longer have standing to sue for libel (or as Mark would say "Liable"), regardless of any future defamation.
Casey, Nigel & Mark, are you guys with me on this?
One more point to ponder...how does Casey have $7500? Why isn't he attempting to placate one or more of his lenders?
Answer me this, any Casey Serin supporterz willing to try?
If Casey Serin actually took the $7500 he claims to have and ACTUALLY paid a creditor down or off, I'd be impressed.
"Casey's business actions and dealings and behaviors were a complete mystery until Duane and Mark got them documented."
EXCUSE ME?? Dawg, c'mon - seriously. MANY people on your blog tried to warn Duane before he got involved with Casey. Casey's dealings and behaviours were PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. His mortgage frauds, his scam pyramid emails... virtually the whole lot.
I have some respect for Duane, because I think his motivations were roughly 75% "let's see if I can help this kid" and 25% "maybe I can get some SEO or traffic via his blog". Cool. No problem. But he should have known what kind of person he was dealing with ... it was all out there.
Mark has NO excuse ... he came in around the 9th inning, and got his fingers burned. Now he files some joke lawsuit as some kind of revenge. Casey did nothing to Mark in comparison with the damage done by his own lunatic rant on the Fraudcast. I would love to see the look on the Judge's face when he hears it ... and I have a feeling he's gonna hear it.
Again: Quality Entertainment
thpptt!!!
S_t_C
Look gang, I really don't want to see whether or not you support LMP to turn into any kind of a Haterz litmus test.
We're all grownups here, we can agree to disagree on certain issues.
@8:41 John,
Mark saw an opportunity to negotiate Casey's debts and collect a percentage from the lenders. That's why he was going to charge nothing to Casey. When Casey walked away from this plan, Mark decided to get his money through a lawsuit. Either way, he's a debt collector working for the lenders. Next, he'll sell the lenders whatever documentation he finds out during discovery, also in exchange for a percentage of the potential recovery.
BTW, I'm a Casey haterz, but as a taxpayer I don't want to see the courts used by debt collectors to get money for themselves.
Mark's tactics are typical debt collectors BS. Threaten people, specially weak, short people in distress. Put some fear into them. Let's add moma Serin into the list of defendants... that's certainly going to force the family to give in. Some trickery is fair play too... let's tell Galina and Casey we only have their best interest in mind, we want to help, just give me all those legal documents I can use against you later on. What a loser!
how does Casey have $7500?
Pink Lips scheduled a dinner date and overnight session with her new boi toi for $500/hr. Casey is pooped! ;-p
At least give us the complaint as you filed it, Mark. Maybe something like:
"To wit, let all these presents be it known that I, Mark Villasenor, Internet BadAzz and sometimes bill collector, do hereby attest that my mad dog-handling skills are being stultified because I am not allowed to turn virgin wilderness into my own version of a doggie obstacle course and workout area. Verily, the federal government, and all parties I am suing have used means to prevent me from exercising my God given right to play fetch with Fido, and let them root around and defecate freely, off leash, even if a threat to others, and damaging to the environment, where ever and whenever I like on all public lands, regardless of it's protected status. blah blsh blah..."
That about cover it?
CASEY - This note's for you.
We know you read here. And you must be piddling yourself with glee right now seeing the dissent in the forum.
I am sure your mind is seeing this as the Haterz feeding on each other & full of dissent, becoming Haterz of Haterz.
Once again - WRONG. Debateis healthy & we may not all agree with each other's tactics but one thing we all agree? You're a menace, a fraud & a loozer.
.... That's just me trying to nip any posts by you & your fag hags of Mocha & Pink Lips.
@LossMitPro
Why does your site at http://www.queuetrac.com attempt to read my clipboard when I access it?
Thanks Sprez, Dolph (and Rob for allowing me to post) and others for that thought -- LMP should not be a litmus test.
Let me use myself as an example -- I recently posted some opinion on Caseypedia that (rightfully, in retrospect) needed to be toned down/deleted. Because I personally though that represented an unequal action vis other parties that Caseypedia (and me!) have pilloried and lampooned with glee, I decided to not add more content. I did NOT ask people to make a decision to either support me or they are not true haterz™, etc. and I think that kind of partitioning is very unhealthy and defocuses the point: Casey is a freakin' unrepentant serial criminal on the loose™, hell bent to continue until stopped.
So I will try to lay off of LMP etc, and try to focus on Casey -- goodness knows I have now made my own much renewed initial distaste with LMP well-known. Does that mean he does *no* good? No, of course not. Mean that I'm totally right & he's wrong? Hardly. It's all just talk, and trying to further our knowledge, and hopefully the cause of ULTIMATE JUSTICE (Oh... I really loved typing that phrase (laugh)).
Right on BG!
LossMit/Mark
I am 99% sure I have an idea as to what you have going on. Go for it. Don't let those watching this farce sway you. I think the gambit will work out :)
I see there are more than one "john" posting here - go figure.
I stand corrected about the website - http://www.queuetrac.com - I saw so many posts refering to mitlosspro as Mark. In the future I will be careful to verify every fact - I originally found much information about Serin. Problem with too much information and rapid posting (me).
The Dude made us a forum. Come and play!
http://caseyhaterz.com/phpbb/index.php
Rob Dawg @ 11:39 AM:
”Yeah the deliberate misinformation bit is getting old real fast.”
One term, Rob... Subpoena Duces Tecum. ;)
soem dood @ 11:40 AM:
”…the fact you sued a non-profit volunteer group dedicated to maintaining wilderness, in federal court. You claim you never lose; where do you put your odds on that particular action? AS much as I love animals, including domesticated ones, my own personal opinion is NOT that even my own beloved housepets should be able to trammel unfettered upon pristine wilderness; but hey, that's just me.”
DISINFORMATION: Clearly you’ve no idea what you’re talking about, none whatsoever. Better read the case file Mr. “I got something on Mark” before spouting off inaccuracies. Truth is; I developed a canine program in cooperation with the Federal Government TO PROTECT THE WILDERNESS! And at that, the only resource protective canine protocols develop through in field testing (two years worth)!
But little details like that don’t seem to matter to folks like you, who see only one or two facets and think they got the real picture. My case with the volunteer group, of which I am STILL a member in good standing, had little to do with the dog program! AND I settled the matter having achieved my litigation objectives... Get your facts clear will ya?
Anymore bedtime stories?
CostaRican @ 11:50 AM:
”Mark saw an opportunity to negotiate Casey's debts and collect a percentage from the lenders.”
DISINFORMATION: Although, I wish THAT were true.
~Mark
The Master Litigator cried out: "Better read the case file Mr. “I got something on Mark” before spouting off inaccuracies."
Fair enough. Truce.
(But I guess you ought to ignore my following snarky post under the one you quoted from. Eeek.)
@ soem dood
No hard feelings here, truly. Snark is humorous most of the time (I do get plenty of laughs from it), but as I said last night. There is far more to this story than meets the eye, or what folks have seen of me... TONS more!
Anyway, I apprciate the fact you’re being kept in the dark about lots of stuff. That is just the way it has to be for now, but when this case is resolved though; I know lots of folks are going to have different views about what I’m doing.
So no truce need, I’m certainly not angry with your comments -- you’re not viewed as some enemy. Your views are understandable but sorely inaccurate for obvious reasons. ;)
~Mark
@Tony, any other Seattle folks
Totally off topic, but the parade of sevens is on around 5 pdt today, 7/7/07.
Duane,
When you said that Casey is a likeable guy I think you are correct.
But you have to admit he is like speaking to a wall. Somethings just dont' sink in with that guy.
He's pretty set in his ways.
Lostmindpunk,
Hope you don't have to subpoena ad testificandum. Lord knows your oratory skills leave a lot to be desired.
Part of the problem is that the Caseyworld™ Reality Distortion Field has caused everyone to view everyone else as if they too could be evil, scheming, untrustworthy, lying serial criminals.
Casey wanted money without effort. Casey used a scam and tried a pryamid scheme.
Casey wanted money without effort. Casey used a scam and tried real estate fraud.
Casey wanted bailout money without effort. Casey used a scam and tried to defraud Duane.
Casey wanted bailout money without effort. Casey used a scam and tried to defraud Mark.
Casey wanted vacation money without effort. Casey used a scam and tried to defraud family.
At some point even the most suspicious of everyone except Casey has start trying to blame everyone except Casey and that's become an untenably large group at this point. Then there's the inevitable "only some are evil like Casey." That's a tough one at this point as well since the only people being singled out for that excuse are those named by that oracle of truth Casey himself. So now we are in the throes of the final chapter. People who don't know, don't understand the cause of the anger of those that do know. That leaves them with just the anger and the incorrect "anger without reason is irrational; they must be irrational." That now is crumbling leaving the complainers forced to lash out rather than admit they might be wrong.
The reason his site pulls your clipboard is to look for the "password" or authorization that his customers "cut" to their clipboard in order to get in on his site. It's simply a method of MFA.
OK,
Having parsed through all of yesterday's and today's postings (and having listened to most of CHJTS's haterzcast), I am up to date on most things.
1) I have a good idea of the straits in which Snowflake finds himself.
2) I think that I have figured out Duane's source (and I beg Duane not to say so much about it that folks such as I can guess it... or to drink a bit less 2BuckChuck).
3) Using non-linear regression and non-parametric interpolation, I can interconnect the various troll identities by blind guessing.
But what I can't figure out is why Bemused Guy wants to talk about Annie's boobs. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
NR
@ wagga
Thanks. I can't wait to fly the 787. I'm going to skip the roll-out though and go sailing. Looks like a perfect breeze is coming up. I have to enjoy all of these days like this I can.
Mark,
I read the many comments against you, and I also listened to your exchange with KC and the subsequent fraudcast round table, and just wanted to say that the criticisms I perceive are unwarranted. Hope you are successfull in the lawswuit.
Rob and Duane and all others behind the scenes - thank you for doing what LE, government and banks won't do. Thank you for caring enough and for being responsible citizens. There is still hope for our society.
@ Nice
Thank you, I appreciate the balanced view and best wishes.
~Mark
Nice-
The banks and government allowed what Casey did to happen. When this whole housing/credit bubble blows up, everyone is going to blame the Casey's, mortgage brokers, real estate agents, hedge funds, etc... While the people that really created this mess, will be richer than ever and all of us will be screwed with higher taxes, less services and a whole lot of poor people to deal with. Everyone's hate and anger should be directed at the big banks, the fed and the treasury. Casey is small potatoes.
Oh thank God. Edgar, we aren't Casey and as much as you have many of his actions confused with ours you don't need to repeat yourself.
Rob, STOP HIM!!! DON'T LET HIM GO, HE'LL KILL YOUR ADSENSE REVENUE!!!!
:)
M. Singh - "Did you get an iPhone?"
The $20 unlimited data plan would probably cost less than whatever he's paying now, other than the initial $499/$599 outlay for the phone... Obviously, he can't afford either.
BTW, Exurbban Nation displays very well on the iPhone. Typing comments is a little hard, so I'm typing this on my desktop.
i've always had mixed feelings about lost mittens. so many of his words are cliche', which might illustrate his views and the dynamics of the complex matters he deals with. but it's so very fucking annoying. these might help dumb people understand complex situations, but it makes smart people want to kill themselves.
i've come to understand duane's position. people have told him things in confidence, and he's respecting that. but man, is he annoying. someone should speed that guy up. if the southern parts of our country talks that slow, with such broad flights of metaphorical whimsy, i can't imagine how anything gets done.
both guys are probably not evil, as their detractors claim. and i have read between the lines and believe they are protecting serious details we do not yet know. but occasionally someone with a sensible cadance and diction will speak with them, and it becomes clear just how poorly both men speak. they might be quite qualified and successful otherwise.
overall, many regular players involved here come across as rednecks. i agree with the principle of honoring your committments, but i wish we didn't need foul-mouthed, sex-obsessed, chainsmoking, homophobic retards to represent these values. "be that as it may," "at the end of the day," "it is what it is." *smoking cough, creepy giggle*
Rob -- People who don't know, don't understand the cause of the anger of those that do know.
Jeebus H. Chrysler... can we get a rough approximation of when this "mother of all revelations" will be revealed?? :)
Can you at least claim that it will live up to all the hype? I'm talking something on the level of Casey either committing felony identity theft on family members, or felony attempted murder on the same parties in some life insurance scam... ;-Þ
Casey working as a gay gigolo for hire would also satisfy the requirements. heh.
@Rob -- People who don't know, don't understand the cause of the anger of those that do know.
This is getting old.
LMP, DUANE,
I am all for trying to express our distaste and disgust with Casey in appropriate ways that do not make the Casey followers and supporters see him as anymore of a victim. Unfortunately you both said what many of us wanted you to, and have wanted to say ourselves but in this case you are recognizable figures and possibly only hurt your own reputations.
I certainly am sickened by how his fraudcast turned into a poor me and made him out to be the good guy. (even though he will never have the haterz fooled! But new people show up everyday thanks to his interviews and will not understnd where all the hate is coming from.)
The Mother of All Revelations:
Casey has multiple personality disorder. His other pseudonyms are Dawg, Duane & LMP. He's also a technical genius & has scripted the fraudcasts. He's each of the voices we hear.
John
southerns really do talk that slow
and we dont get much done either...but we arent as stressed as our northern counterparts.
toodles
the inner circle has been very vocal the last few days...except me. hmm.
@ Southernbread:
I am admittedly unwise in the complex ways of the Darpa-bot, but why would optimization for Adsense (I think that is what you mean by MFA - but could easily be wrong) be an explanation for rudely ripping off the contents of my clipboard? Could the purpose be to try to steal my password and/or other personal identifying useful data? Sure.
Does it seem nefarious?
You bet.
Has he been plenty alerted to the unwanted and invasive behavour, such that those with principles would have been expected to make a correction?
Yes, I do believe so.
But what does it specifically have to do with MFA?
I know that some of you think I am a troll or have lost site of the "real criminal here", maybe I am trying to help Mark.
I don't know all the particulars mostly because Mark isn't supplying all the particulars ( kind of like Casey would do and then tell people they didn't know the whole story).
I realize that Mark doesn't want to reveal everything, but based on what he chooses to reveal I am left utterly astounded by his legal plan.
I listened to the fraudcast last night during Marks segment and found myself writing things down in the margin of the newspaper because I couldn't believe the things Mark was revealing in one short exchange.
1) Asserted that he had a legal relationship with Galina ( and probably Casey) which could bring serious implications surrounding him releasing the contract between Marty and Casey ( which is unsigned by one party)
2) Mark made an assertion that HE terminated the contract with Galina. ( one sentence they refer to contact and the next sentence refer to a contract) Not a good thing to lay out there.
3) Mark refers to terminating the contact/contract on June 17th thereby establishing a timeline. With this established timeline, now one can question why it took him 12-14 days to try and receive immediate relief from the courts.
4)Curses out and threatens somebody that he has alledgedly filed a lawsuit on. If you are going to set yourself up as a friend of the court and a pro per complaintant then you better be aware that first of all contacting somebody that you have a pending lawsuit against, then discussing it and threatening them is the worst behavior you could engage yourself in.
Do any of the above points mean Mark will lose? Not at all. Yet Mark has provided the doors to be opened where before there was not even a doorknob.
I have watched Mark give Casey every bit of ammunition and rebutal that he needs. Had Mark simply kept his mouth shut, Casey would have nothing.
Mark has made claims that Casey runied the contract because he claimed he would repay every penny and then went back on that. However Mark has provided Casey with the statement that Casey should tell Cashcall to pound sand, right as he was entering into this contract.
Courts are strange places in that they won't allow all the emotion that we have collectively experienced concerning Casey to come into the courtroom. A judge doesn't hate Casey and doesn't know what you and I know. For example, a young woman could be raped by somebody that has previously been accused of raping two other women. By the time it gets to court, the jury is not allowed to know about the two previous accusations and to add insult to injury, the reputation and past actions of the victim are brought out and highlighted, even more than the rapist.
I have been trying to point out how a court might look at these proceedings when the baggage and emotion is stripped away. Any lawyer woth even $50 an hour is going to point to people like Mark and Duane as businessmen that contacted Casey, knowing he had lied multiple times on multiple mortgages, and took illegal cash back at closing, and for "some reason" wanted to partner with this person that has a history of criminal behavior. To make it look even worse, they only took action after the business deals went south. Remember, the court does not know what you know about Casey and they do not have the time to go through the process of becoming a hater.
You may be appalled at Casey's behavior, but for people in the legal system this is nothing. The shit Casey is doing, is done by hundreds of thousands of drug addicts each and every day. They lie, cheat, steal from their spouses and other family members, cover up their behavior and worse. It just won't push the buttons that you believe it will.
Any good legal strategy welcomes somebody challenging it before it goes to court, in fact people make some good money analyzing strategies and finding the flaws and weakness's before it goes to court.
I'm saying this in the same spirit that hundreds of people tried to give Casey advice over on IAFF and were labeled as haterz. Every time you open your mouth Mark, the pool of lawyers Casey could choose from grows. Last week Casey couldn't have found a lawyer if his life depended on it, he had no money. After some of the things you were spouting last night, I wouldn't be surprised if a pool of contingency bottomfeeders appeared.
The law is not emotional and I fear that you are being very blinded right now Mark. I am not trying to persuade you from your course of action, but be careful. You keep exposing yourself to a far greater risk than you are allowing yourself to see. My greatest fear is that Casey will end up capatalizing on that.
MFA- Multifactor authentication
I believe users have to copy and paste some type of "passcode" and then they are offered a login.
I'm not justifying it. It is used, but not very often, to protect access to secure materials.
Most banking and financial regulations (my particular background), HIPPA, SOX, GBL, etc. require some form of MFA if customer information is envolved. That means something you have, something you are, and/or something you know.
In this case, they would need to have the secret code, then know a password.
No real different but a little less secure than a RSA token.
Guys, I'm off to Birmingham to check in on a house I'm remodeling. I think Mark can explain his site, should he feel he wants, better than I. I do have a strong IT Security background but don't feel comfortable guessing anymore than I already have.
Mark, if I've overstepped any boundary with you or your customers, I apologize.
Enjoy your weekend everyone.
SB-lookinmypants at gmail.com :)
@Southernbread
Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense and, really, I wasn't sure what might bd that would inte on my clipboarerest anyone. Just never saw it in the wild before.
I don't mean to pile on but I had high hopes that Casey would finally realize some consequences. After hearing Mark on the fraudcast, my hopes were dashed. There is something not quite right about him. Quite frankly: he sounded like a foul-mouthed kook. I can't imagine what he was thinking but I feel embarrassed for him. I think he does himself more harm than he could ever do to Casey.
Uh...holy crap. "I wasn't sure what might be on my clipboard that would interst anyone".
Silly laptop touchpad!
Wow. I never imagined that we had so many advanced legal minds on here.
For the record, on the topic of us Southerners being less than quick:
"Paulie may have moved slow, but that's only because Paulie didn't have to move for nobody." - "Goodfellas"
fly in the ointment said... "I have watched Mark give Casey every bit of ammunition and rebutal that he needs. Had Mark simply kept his mouth shut, Casey would have nothing."
No fun being a bully privately, you have to do it in the playground in front of all the other kids.
Fellow Flier, who is the fly in the ointment,
I actually agree with most of what you said and I hope Mark takes heed.
I am confident and I guess that some major double cross happened,
a circumvention by Casey who's intent was to profit by going into business with one of Marks sources, whilst cutting Mark out,
or
Mark was named a partner by Casey with out Mark's consent or knowledge, to give Casey credibility in another deal, then Casey told Mark to go bye bye.
maybe Casey brought another party into the agreement with Mark, without Marks knowledge (diluting the deal and controlling interest),
something that happens all the time in business, but really is bad. And one would not want to be on the receiving end of it.
Disclaimer: Above is just let's pretend and I have NO facts as to any real events. I am not a lawyer or a Party to anything.
@elizabeth
Wasn't calling you a troll.
@Bemused Guy.
There was a difference in last night's Fraudcast. Casey who lost control on the last fraudcast, was a master puppeteer on this one. Why do you think he maintains that flat affect, that droning monotone? He was aiming for affect, and he got it. Why in the hell else would he have even had a fraudcast in the first place?
If you listen to the Fraudcast, in the middle of arguing with someone (Nigel? Duane?) he stops to greet his adoring public. Now if you were really fired up, arguing about the future of your marriage, would YOU stop to talk to your fans? I think not. This is all planned, people. This is what Casey wants. To look like a victim.
Rob is right about one thing--the fraudcast is a useless tool. Best we all give him a nice fresh cup of dead air next week. I bet once that happens, the fraudcasts will end, because they will be boring as shit.
Um, but Rob, if you could give up a choice morsel or two or three, it would be helpful...because we don't understand what we're dealing with.
My guess is forgery and multiple fraud involving almost all the members of his family--taking out credit in their names, perhaps?
Had a relative do that to me. It was very, very, VERY ugly to deal with.
ENers:
Thank you all for your thoughtful comments regarding my actions last night, they are all valid opinions although many (too many) are based on serious misunderstanding of how courts and the law really work. This only leads to more misunderstand, more conjecture, more folly.
Nonetheless, judge me as you will, as they’ll be no further comment from me regarding the Serin events. Not now and perhaps not ever.
And so I bid all of you farewell, and best wishes.
~Mark
(LossMitPro-st-SBCGlobal-dot-net)
@9:17 Sharky
Regarding possible family members in the Portland area--a glance through the Clark County (i.e. Vancouver, WA) Phone Directory shows only one Serin listed (first name begins with Z, I think it's a woman's name). I don't have access to a Portland directory though.
@Michael: You mentioned last night that Casey went to his truck to get some documents to show you--what were they?
LMP-
So you are taking your toy's and going home?
I think it is a shame that you cannot accept honest, contructive criticism. We are on your side, and want you to win after all.
@ Southernbread:
thanks for reply. I thought you meant Manufactured for Adsense (see link) Doh. I use multifactor authentication myself on several sites, but none of them rely on clipboard content, but I guess some might. Thanks again for the possible explanation, although having it happen still gives me the eebie-jeebies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scraper_site
Nonetheless, judge me as you will, as they’ll be no further comment from me regarding the Serin events.
+++++++++++++++++
Mark,
I think that is wise for now, but please come back when you and justice have prevailed!!!!
FlyingMonkeyWarrior said...
Mark,
I think that is wise for now, but please come back when you and justice have prevailed!!!!
YES! We will be anxiously waiting! Don't forget about us.
PS, I understand what you are going through and most W2 people (not that there is anything wrong with that) will not grasp what it is like to run a company and source deals that you control and own, only to become involved with some ankle biter that goes sideways on you.
good luck.
If you listen to the Fraudcast, in the middle of arguing with someone (Nigel? Duane?) he stops to greet his adoring public. Now if you were really fired up, arguing about the future of your marriage, would YOU stop to talk to your fans? I think not. This is all planned, people. This is what Casey wants. To look like a victim.
The mere fact that he voluntarily took calls from Nigel, Duane and Mark - and not only that, announced in advance who they were by their real names, just in case we were in any doubt - supports this reading.
The moral of this particular story is: if you're going to ring one of Casey's fraudcasts, don't lose your temper. Nigel just about managed to hold onto it, but Duane and especially Mark lost it completely - and ended up worse off.
Mark, while I think saying less may be a good thing, please make sure Rob/CHTJS and others at least get updates on the case. Otherwise all we're going to hear is Casey's side
casey:
July 11th The judge threw out Mark's Complaint!
reality:
the judge denied the motion to change Casey's middle name to "Butthead" but allowed 3 others that kick Casey's financial supports
at fly in the ointment: That was a great post. Good information.
LossMitPro
What happened? why are you leaving?
Man lots of information has been posted and exposed. Seems like an odd time for you to cut out.
Hope to hear more form you later.
@LossMitPro
Mark,
While I understand your point, I do hope than when the dust finally settles you'll let us know how it all came out. With the snowball that is the Serin saga is rapidly rolling downhill, it seems only natural that the spectators would love to know how the series ends.
That being said, I agree that the less said the better. You (and Duane) shouldn't have to defend your positions. I think your doing what you believe is right, and you shouldn't have to justify your actions to a soul. Good Luck!
LossMitPro,
I concur with FMW and Lisa. Once it's all over, please return and let us know your side of things.
NR
LMP said:
"ENers:
Thank you all for your thoughtful comments regarding my actions last night, they are all valid opinions although many (too many) are based on serious misunderstanding of how courts and the law really work. This only leads to more misunderstand, more conjecture, more folly.
Nonetheless, judge me as you will, as they’ll be no further comment from me regarding the Serin events. Not now and perhaps not ever.
And so I bid all of you farewell, and best wishes.
~Mark
(LossMitPro-st-SBCGlobal-dot-net)"
Yes, Mark, good luck to you. Let us know what the judge says after he hears your threatening Casey during last night's fraudcast.
LMP,
Altough I applaud your intent and efforts at bringing Fliptard to some sort of "justice", you behavior, mannerism, and plan of action IMHO are amateurish at best.
Had you truly wanted to inflict the maximum amount of "pain" to Fliptard, you would have gone about your business silently and professionally. As a totally uninvolved and casual observer, you come across no better than Serin at times. Your profanity and threatening language, misspelling of basic legal terms, and what appears to be a dubious civil filing leave me with the impression that you and Fliptard are of the same ilk. Furthermore, I have always felt that telegraphing your every move to the opposing side in a legal matter to be unproductive and detrimental when the case comes court.
If I remember, you first appeared as a co-conspirator alongside Serin, fully aware of his alleged frauds, whole-heartedly willing to profit from his crimes. You even paid him to be a sponsor and appeared as a guest on one of his Fraudcasts. This was again with the full knowledge of his past history, You then came on IAFF and EN, posting that you would sue others if they posted comments which you might find offensive. Serin has since admitted that you and he concocted a scheme in which you would essentially troll as an antagonist against Serin, while secretly doing business with him. Only after you were vilified on EN by others for your actions, did you do an about face and decide to "go after " Serin. You stated that you "pulled alot of strings" for and had "alot of favors called in " for Serin with various lenders, etc. Yet, we have heard nothing of the consequences you have suffered by Serin backing out on you and deciding to work with Marty instead of you.
Now, for three weeks, you have been threatening him with this legal action on EN and IAFF. The day you were supposed to have been in court has come and passed and no action. You claim this is due to a mistake you made in the filing, yet another example of your ineptness.
Again, for the record, this is not meant to be critical of you. If I have the facts wrong, please clarify them. What concerns me is that you come across as unstable and ethically challenged as Serin.I cannot for the life of me understand what legal grounds you have in your upcoming civil case, other than to get a TRO on Casey from doing some future action. In reading your motion ( or what I can on the internet)a judge will most likely be inclined to toss it out on several issues, first of which is that it is terribly written and looks to be a cut n' paste of some boilerplate form. I saw nothing about discovery or subpoenas.
Now, you get some constructive criticism and you decide to run away. (Which is what you criticize Flitpard for doing.)
The bottom line is, either produce a meaningful, well thought out, and hard hitting case vs. Serin, or drop it already. If this is the best you can do, it is dissapointing.
Rob Dawg, I understand you want the traffic and this makes for good entertainment, but is the end game having Serin prosecuted and to suffer the consequences for his actions- personally, financially, legally, and such?
Nothing I have posted is to be taken as legal advice. It is strictly one person's opinion. Take it for what you will. You can either ignore it, bash it, or use it. If you ever want to converse about this, feel free to do so.
Thanks and good luck.
@LMP
Good luck, ya magnificent bastard. I'm AMAZED you lasted through the last couple of days.
@Everyone
I'm debating departing this little community, too. Mark, Duane, Rob, R-boy, none of them owe you a damned thing, but a lot of you are acting like spoiled children promised ice cream. The players in this story post details here as a favor to you, they are not being paid, and they don't have to.
Keep it up, and say bye bye to Duane - I won't be surprised if he never returns after the bullshit of the last couple of days from a lot of you, either.
Hate to see the trolls and ill tempered win, but if I were in a position to keep a family's private business private, and giving in to some of you, I would have been gone weeks ago.
There's a lot of armchair lawyers and uptight knowitalls around here, who are destroying what once was a comfortable community. The core of posters that have been here for a long time have been driven away, and the remaining crowd, the loud, obnoxious, rude, demanding part...well, too many of you are new.
Make of that what you will, but Rob's comments about disinformation are pretty accurate. This "anger" over Mark doesn't add up, and I'm tired of trying to do the math. Fuck it.
I had my last indulgence over Casey and his bullshit last night, I'm off to live my life and occasionally think about T's underwear and Annie's boobs (you guys who miss the talkcast chats only get half the show). Maybe I'll post, maybe I won't. I really feel pretty indifferent about having any discussions with a lot of the people who post here now, I miss Steph J. and everyone else.
Whatever.
Later.
Lostmittens and this guy.. one in the same.. you tell me..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/The_Simpsons-Jeff_Albertson.png
MOUSE AND PENCIL-
That is where you are wrong, he wants the traffic and audience and we want the entertainment and information. It is give and take. The viewers are of no less value than the blog owner. In fact without the audience there would be no one to share and expose to, and surely far less new information being raked in. Surely we can leave if we are not satisfied but that is what is so great about this site. We can post honest feedback.
M & P,
Don't Go. I am beggin you. Pleaze.
Your post are so fun.
Well, I work a LOT during the week and come here weekends, so at least visit on Sat and Sun.
K?
FMW
LOL Edgar...
Before you make such absurd comments next time, explain something to me...HOW THE HELL AM I WORSE THAN CASEY?
I know you jerk yourself off to be a supposed fly in the ointment here, but seriously...How are ANY of us worse than an admitted cheat, fraud and deception artist?
Really, blanket comments like that make you look worse than Casey. That is something he does, but you seem to take it to a new level.
Also, I do not believe you dislike Casey like you say. You contradict yourself.
I'd much rather participate in a circle jerk that has a purpose than one that supports frauds and cheaters.
Thanks....prove me wrong. How am I worse than Casey?
at M&P:
Wow talk about MISINFORMATION
You said "Hate to see the trolls and ill tempered win". The ill-tempered lost. Didn't you hear Mark? How can you defend his actions? Why the misinformation? That was pretty classless. Glad to see the EN community being held accountable. Gone are the days when the EN'ers could just shout down the EN Trollz. Glad to see the Trollz turning the tide, as you claim. Maybe finally you will stop your bullshit information speculation. You in particular would post stuff under the guise as truth.
You aren't holding me accountable for anything. I've done nothing but point out all the wrongs Casey has caused others.
Nice try.
M&P,
Don't go, dude.
If anything, take a break like I did. The trolling is annoying, but it's no worse than the fly buzzing around...sooner or later it will either go away or die.
Love when trolls pat themselves on the back. Gee, they are proud of what?
Yes, I'm utterly shocked LMP and Duane have lasted this long.
Between the trolls (Marty funded and otherwise) and the haterz who can't put past differences behind them, theyve gotten nothing but scorn recently.
LMP was the one guy who actually gave the right answer to the "put up or shut up" question. He's spent his own money. Whatever faults he may have, let me repeat that, to the best of my knowledge "HE IS THE ONLY ONE TO HAVE SPENT HIS OWN MONEY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT". And he will likely continue to have to pay court costs.
Do I agree with everything theyve done? no, but their actions fit into the "greater" good so they get a free pass for now.
Relentless,
Very good points. Nobody here has ever required anybody else to be a dittohead. We all have unique personalities with one common agreement...Casey is scum.
@Mouse and Pencil
I distinctly remember you going at it with lmp on this blog, about how you disliked him on a personal level. This was less than a month ago.
He was responding to you as Mouse and Pincel.
You sure had a change in opinion. 180 degree change in opinion.
Casey Serin- 1
Smug over-zealous bill collector- 0
Dolph:
Would you kindly give me a list of these trolls?
I do not endorse lmp's internet bullying and fraudcast behavior.
I do not endorse Casey's lying and
stealing. I provide professional services (CPA) even if Casey gave me up front three times my expected fee in cash, and I could verify the money was not counterfeit, I would not take him as a client.
Why? Because he is a liar and a thief. I don't want my name associated with him.
Paraiba,
I won't waste my time posting the names of the obvious trolls. I don't think you or those with dissenting, intelligent opinions are trolls. I hope you know that and I hope that makes sense.
I personally was a bit surprised that Mark not only called in but said that. I can see his frustration. Does he deserve all the crap he is getting for trying to keep Casey contained? No, I don't.
You can always disagree with me, but as you may be able to tell, I am tiring of the constant barrage of troll posts (posts from people who just post to be provocative) that only serve to support and prop up Casey and give him a sense he is winning.
If you've read my posts since the beginning, you'd know that I am somebody who is consistent and fair. I've never wished death or anything vile on Casey. I've poked fun at him, but no worse than anybody else.
I feel that Casey is trying to win a war of attrition here. He wants us all fighting with one another so he can find new ways to make money he has NO intention paying back. He became famous for borrowing 2.2 mil. He never paid any of it back and he whines that only us "haterz" are holding him back. THAT pisses me off and no doubt makes Mark mad as well.
Again, I don't endorse what he said last night, but that was his call. I've found Mark to be a good guy overall and I think some of the negative remarks are unfair.
I hope you don't think I was saying YOU are a troll. I don't think that at all.
feel that Casey is trying to win a war of attrition here. He wants us all fighting with one another so he can find new ways to make money he has NO intention paying back.
And thats exactly whats happening.
Take a stable blog with an existing level of general paranoia/angst/distrust, inject a few trolls to stir up (or exasperate existing) trouble and then let the natives tear each other (and the blog) apart from the inside.
@ Dolph,
Thank you for that, it definitely feels as if one does not endorse lmp, one is a supporterz of Casey,
a troll, a mailbox basher, an enablerz, ad infinitum.
I should have added, in addition to other reasons, I wouldn't take Casey's money is because he probably stole it.
A shame lmp's behavior makes Casey look like a victim.
LMP brought out the trolls. Now that he's gone, we can get back to hating on Casey.
Mailbox Basher, Disrupterz, Enablerz? This place has turned into a nursery school playground - for every one that hasn't seen it check out my take on LMP on the next post - don't seem to have too many diagreements with it so far - LMP was out for the almighty buck and nothing else.
Good riddance LMP, and Dawg if you want to keep people around stop with the supposed drama and infantile insults and tell the story already.
Fuck that lets continue to dis on Fatdrunk aka me. Good rid ins Mark I'll see you at the courthouse you pussy.
Hey Rob your a fat drunk pig and your ugly.
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